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Why Don't Vegans Care About People?

Posted: 08/15/2012 11:19 am

"You're vegan? Why do you hate people?"

I get asked this question on a fairly regularly basis, and yet each time it catches me off-guard. I always have a hard time imagining a person's initial reaction to my plant-based diet and cruelty-free lifestyle will be anger and irritation. I'm never quite sure how to respond. The honest answer is that I don't hate people and actually, veganism harmonizes perfectly with a lot of very important human rights issues. My lifestyle philosophy is about uplifting the world -- not, as many believe, uplifting animals at the expense of the world.

Historically, the social justice movements that we find most vital are about empowering the disenfranchised. The cornerstone of the women's rights movement was gaining the right to vote. The goal was ultimately to influence issues important to women and therefore, important to everyone. The Civil Rights movement was about uplifting the black community. The aim was to recognize that all people should be treated equally, regardless of race or color. Similarly, the animal rights movement seeks to give voices to the voiceless -- the billions of animals cruelly housed, raised and eventually killed for our food and entertainment. Human rights issues intersect perfectly with animal rights issues because the underlying objective is the same: the betterment of society as a whole.

Many people don't realize that the animal rights movement is not just about the animals; there's much to gain for humans, as well. Animal agriculture is among the most dangerous industries worldwide. One Green Planet notes that just in the U.S., OSHA reported the death of 9,003 farm workers from work-related injuries between 1992 and 2009. Injuries can include everything from chronic pain to cardiovascular illness and death. Many of the workers are undocumented, leading to a situation in which they are fearful of reporting their illness or injury and therefore do not receive adequate treatment. The quality of life for these workers is often dismal due to the incredible emotional toll that comes from working within a slaughterhouse. Human Rights Watch says that worker conditions in factory farms constitute "systematic human rights abuses."

Aside from the direct impact on factory farm and slaughterhouse workers, animal agriculture is also inefficient from a world hunger perspective. According to a report done by the Humane Society entitled "The Impact of Industrialized Animal Agriculture On World Hunger," nearly 80 percent of the world's soybeans and up to 50 percent of the world's corn are fed to animals killed for meat instead of directly to humans. Because of this, the meat industry competes with humans for food. And it's not just food: Resources such as land and water are being wasted for the production of farmed animals. A meat-based diet uses up to 20 times more land than a vegan diet, contributes to deforestation and degrades the land it does use. Meat production also wastes water: Nearly 2,400 gallons of water go to produce one pound of meat, whereas only 25 gallons would be required to produce one pound of wheat.

The statistics on meat production's impact on climate change are astounding, as well. According to the United Nations, the livestock sector contributes 18 percent globally to greenhouse gas emissions.

For those unfamiliar to veganism, it can be to easy overlook that the compassion associated with helping animals is meant to extend to helping humans, as well. The beautiful thing about choosing a plant-based diet is that in one choice, you can start to help save the world. Literally.

Armed with this information, I can't imagine that someone would think sitting down to three meat-free meals a day would prevent me from caring about human causes. Woody Harrelson, a dedicated vegan, suggested that he had more energy from his plant-based lifestyle. For me, more energy means more time for everything -- including working toward the betterment of humans. In fact, I know quite a few vegans whose passion for compassion extends to all life. Californian Kath Rogers has been a vegetarian since she was a child and co-founded Animal Protection and Rescue League, an animal rights organization instrumental in California's ban on foie gras. Still active in animal advocacy, Kath is now also a program manager at California Against Slavery, a group whose stated mission is to strengthen laws against human trafficking. I wouldn't imagine many people would accuse Kath of not caring about people and they'd be right not to: She lives her life trying to help animals and help people, doing as much good as she can.

To some, being vegan implies just a dietary preference, but it's so much more than that: It's making a choice to institute positive change in this world that's desperate for it. Although there may be a lot to do, becoming vegan recognizes that just because we can't do it all doesn't mean we should stop trying to do something. Luckily, a plant-based diet and lifestyle uplifts us all, humans and animals alike.

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"You're vegan? Why do you hate people?" I get asked this question on a fairly regularly basis, and yet each time it catches me off-guard. I always have a hard time imagining a person's initial reacti...
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09:58 PM on 09/11/2012
"Why don't vegans care about people?" The article begs the question posed by the title. People ask this because they do encounter vegans who seem not to care about people, which makes people wonder why this is. I don't think this quality is at all a hallmark of veganism; it shows up in a minority of vegans, but there are certainly people who seem to welcome the social isolation their self-imposed diet can impose, especially if they reach the point where they can no longer bear to be around people eating meat. Many vegans I encounter online know no other vegans except through vegan support message boards, and they get most of the validation they get from the animals in their lives. I even hear vegans saying things like "I love animals, but I can't stand other vegans." I think this would actually be more interesting to explore in an article titled like this one than whether omnivores have misconceptions about vegans in general. Some of the people with the thorniest personality issues I've ever come across are total marshmallows around their own dogs, cats, horses, etc. It's animals, not people, that bring the warmth and connection into their difficult lives. Some of them have mental disorders and some are on the autism spectrum. It is only natural that some would appear to care more about animals than about other people.
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03:07 PM on 08/17/2012
Having been vegan for 8+ years and being in excellent health, I know that this way of life works for me and could work for any person.

I continue to care about people as much as I ever did, if not more, as veganism has caused me to think and behave more compassionately and less selfishly than in my pre-vegan days. Neither veganism nor animal rights activism exclude my participating in human rights causes; in fact, one often leads to the other as the rights of ALL beings to live out their natural lives without unnecessary suffering and premature death are inextricably linked. To view it otherwise is to practice speciesism, the insidious and tremendously destructive form of racism that allows a majority of humans to view the lives of non-human animals as unimportant, expendable and, worse, exploitable. When we treat human animals this way, we call it slavery and genocide and cry out against it; when we treat non-human animals this way, we call it farming and dinner and accept it as if it's not what it is. This kind of denial and willful ignorance fuels a wholly unnecessary and unacceptable global system of animal enslavement, suffering, torture and death.

I, and millions of people like me, personally refuse to support such a system, hence the choice to live a vegan lifestyle.

I live for the day when we no longer have to create humane societies and instead finally choose to live as one.
03:04 PM on 08/19/2012
So would you choose to save 2 cows from being hit by a car or a single human if you could only do one or the other? Careful now, you wouldn't want to be a speciesist. How many times have you had a goat over for dinner at your table? This whole treat everything like it's equal thing goes a bit too far. I will continue to use my ability to reason to make decisions of this nature thank you very much!
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01:24 AM on 08/20/2012
Am I actually ever going to be faced with having to choose whether to save cows or humans?  Am I driving the car?  Am I running into the road to make this heroic save? You really need to give me more details here.  Right now, I'm thinking that hitting two cows would do a whole lot more damage to the car and probably end up killing me and anyone else in the car, so that doesn't seem like a good idea.  
I'm not quite sure as to how my dinner guest roster comes into play here, either.
If you care to use your "ability to reason" to have an actual intelligent conversation rather than veering off into these and other bizarre scenarios, feel free to let me know.
By the way, it's my own ability to reason the difference between right and wrong that has led me to make my own choices.  And you're welcome very much!
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11:10 AM on 08/21/2012
Oh, puhlease. What a silly argument. For what it's worth, though, if it were between you and my dogs, I'd save my dogs.
08:29 PM on 08/16/2012
I admire vegans for their principles and fortitude, but ultimately the supposed science behind their diet is shoddy. anyone curious as to how I could claim such a thing would do well to research high-fat, moderate protein, low glucose diets (paleo in a nutshell).

as a lifelong agrarian and animal welfare advocate, I'd suggest anyone who regards vegan diets to be the pinnacle of conscientious consumership to consider the impact of grain-heavy diets. even when grown organically and in rotation, the fuel and resources associated with monoculture crop production are exorbitant.

I get my 60 g of protein from free-range eggs, whey protein, and some grass-fed meat from a nearby farm. the animals live happy and are killed in a low-stress environment, and the nutritional value of pasture raised protein puts it in a whole different category from the CAFO-raised meat that most vegans I've met seem to assume all omnivores are choosing. meanwhile, biodiverse plant and animal species are preserved, water is purified, carbon is sequestered, and farmland preserved. the planet simply cannot sustain the vegan diet much longer--and, as research is continuously showing, neither can the human body.
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12:59 PM on 08/17/2012
The paleo diet, and the way you have defined it here is not the generally accepted definition of it, has a minuscule amount of scientific research behind it--a point many paleo adherents lament. The diet you're describing--high-fat, moderate protein, low glucose--also has limited research carried out. On the other hand, evidence-based medicine has been pointing to the benefits of plant-based diets for decades.
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06:52 PM on 08/18/2012
Perfectly said.
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12:06 PM on 08/16/2012
The question should be, if you eat meat - why do YOU hate people?

Eating meat is gluttony - and when so many people are starving in the world, is it right to be gluttonous? Consider that it take up to 20 pounds of grain (or plant based food) to produce a pound of steak. And the amount of water to feed one cow could sink a single destroyer. Then there is the massive amount of electricity to produce meat.

Meat is wasteful of our precious resources - and if you really care about PEOPLE, you would go vegan.
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11:48 AM on 08/16/2012
Most people don't have problems with vegans. It's when they force their diet choices on others, is when people get upset and start lashing out. Like the Meatless Monday things. My college was going to start doing that until a petition, signed by most to all of the student body, stopped it.
08:18 PM on 08/16/2012
yeah here's the thing about meatless Monday. It's about carbon foot-printing and environmental impact. If they were just to just offer meatless options on Monday, that would actually increase the amount of consumption and waste, because as you pointed out not everyone would CHOOSE to eat that and the same estimated amount of meat would be purchased and heated up only to be thrown out, or the uneaten vegan food would be tossed. The easiest solution for the school to reduce its footprint via food, would be to have a meatless day of the week and guarantee consumption by removing the alternative choices. But no Americans like their hamburgers and pizza so I guess your student body has spoken with their pollution loving, ignorant mouths ;)
11:54 PM on 08/16/2012
Right, we "push our diet choices down your throat." Please reread the article above and answer for me how the wasting of water, arable land, and food on animals farmed to feed a rich food is "pushing something down YOUR throat?"

Seems to me that SOME people are pushing this very selfish, inhumane and planet-killing "choice" down the throats of OTHER humans (lots of starving ones) and ALL animals.

Maybe you might want to drop the attitude that it's all about you and your so-called "choice" and realize there's much more here at stake than just whether or not you get your "steak." Stop being so selfish and open your eyes to the BIGGER PICTURE HERE (because there definitely is one).
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01:33 PM on 08/21/2012
What is the bigger picture? You don't want people to have any control over their own bodies and what they decided to eat. This is one of the reason why I am against liberals. This idea that we know whats best and we will control you pisses me off. How about you eat what you want and let me eat whatever the hell I want. The bigger picture is that is vegans got there way, they would run America like a dictatorship. They would have police running in peoples homes and arresting them if they dare eat meat.
09:44 AM on 08/16/2012
I find this title a bit offensive or is it just me? Frankly this is the first time I've ever heard of such a thing. Why would anyone think that?

I've been vegetarian for years and changed to a plant based diet about 6 months ago. I'm an animal lover but my reasons were medical. I had many chronic pain, and mysterious health problems that persisted with no definitive answers or let-up. Within a few weeks of making these changes I suddenly realized that I had a lot more energy, the pain & other symptoms had lessened significantly, and inflammation in my body was almost zero.

I will say that when people, mainly family members, found out I was a vegan the first thing they inevitably ask is where do I get my protein from. And aren't you always tired?? I just simply smile. If they only knew!
12:43 AM on 08/16/2012
I have never understood why people often seem to get so offended at just the thought of someone being vegetarian or vegan. I've been for 15 years and still get strange reactions when people find out. Also, why does the thought of tofu gross certain people out so much, when rotting animal flesh really is a bit grosser!?
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11:42 AM on 08/16/2012
I tried tofu. It was horrible. Is that is what mostly is apart of vegans diets, I don't want to eat it. What grosses you out might not gross others out.
08:19 PM on 08/16/2012
Yeah.. I'm guessing you don't know how to cook it.
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11:13 AM on 08/21/2012
Yeah, well I'm a vegan and I'm not crazy about tofu, either. Funny, humans survived millions of years without tofu. Or much meat, either. There's PLENTY to eat that doesn't involve tofu. Stick to mostly raw, living fruits, vegetables, nuts, seeds and legumes and you'll have more delicious variety than you'll have time to eat in your life time.
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10:29 PM on 08/15/2012
Many distinguished figures stood for animal rights:

Albert Einstein, Leonardo Da Vinci, Leo Tolstoy, Mohandas Gandhi, Alice Walker, George Bernard Shaw, Robert Browning, Percy Shelley, Voltaire, Thomas Hardy, Rachel Carson, Harriet Beecher Stowe, Victor Hugo, John Stuart Mill, Jean-Jacques Rousseau, Pythagoras, Susan B. Anthony, Albert Schweitzer, Isaac Bashevis Singer, Gertrude Stein, Frederick Douglass, Francis Bacon, William Wordsworth, the Buddha, Mark Twain, and Henry David Thoreau.

Rynn Berry's Famous Vegetarians and Their Favorite Recipes, includes:

Pythagoras, Gautama the Buddha, Mahavira, Plato (and Socrates), Plutarch, Leonardo Da Vinci, Percy Shelley, Count Leo Tolstoy, Annie Besant, Mohandas Gandhi, George Bernard Shaw, Bronson Alcott, Adventist physician Dr. John Harvey Kellogg, Henry Salt, Frances Moore Lappe, Isaac Bashevis Singer, Malcolm Muggeridge, and Brigid Brophy.

Many distinguished Christians were vegetarian:

St. James, St. Matthew, Clemens Prudentius, Origen, Tertullian, Clement of Alexandria, St. Basil, St. John Chrysostom, St. Jerome, St. Benedict, St. Boniface, St. Richard of Wyche, St. Filippo Neri, St. Columba, Thomas Tryon, John Wesley, Joshua Evans, William Metcalfe, General William Booth, Ellen White, and Reverend V.A. Holmes-Gore.

Celebrity vegetarians include:

Orlando Bloom, Liv Tyler, Brad Pitt, Richard Gere, Jude Law, Josh Hartnett, Gwyneth Paltrow, Steve Martin, Alec Baldwin, Drew Barrymore, Ryan Gosling, Kim Basinger, Dustin Hoffman, Dr. Dre, the B52s, Paul McCartney, Chrissie Hynde, Joaquin Phoenix, Andre3000, Meatloaf, Peter Gabriel, kd lang, Elvis Costello and Melissa Etheridge.

peta2 is now the largest youth movement of any social change organization in the world. peta2 has 267,000 friends on MySpace and 91,000 Facebook fans.
03:05 PM on 08/19/2012
And then pretty much everybody else who ever did anything would eat meat right?
10:15 PM on 08/15/2012
This is incredibly well-said! I have so much trouble dealing with the mostly negative reactions I get from people when they hear of my choice to be vegan. I don't understand why people think we put animals above humans. Afterall, aren't all living things connected to each other in some way in the world? As you stated, world hunger, greenhouse gas emissions, the water shortage,etc. are all connected to factory farming. What about over-fishing and what we are doing to the oceans? What about the health of all humans? The science is clear that a vegan diet is the healthiest! I think the time has come when science, common sense , logic and respect for the world we live in must be recognized! http://veganamericanprincess.com
05:26 AM on 08/16/2012
...or maybe they could care less what you eat and wish you would afford them the same luxury of free will? Still, veganelizing would be more sufferable if it wasn't so fast, loose, disingenuous, and exclusionary with facts.

I've yet to hear a vegan acknowledge that animals are killed in vegetable/grain farming. The only animals they seem to have compassion for are the bigger, more visible ones.

I've yet to hear a vegan acknowledge the fact that plants can feel pain and suffering. Aren't plants worthy of our compassion? Or, are beings unable to express themselves in a vocal way we can understand unworthy of our compassion?

Now, based on this article, we are supposed to believe that no humans are injured and no undocumented workers employed in grain/vegetable farming.

Vegans also conveniently continue to stick to the either/or argument. It's either be vegan or support factory farming.

On the health front, the facts are far from in. I'll stick to what has worked through human history. I've been travelling in Buddhist SE Asia for several months and, outside of the monasteries, they eat meat...as much as they can afford. Pretending there is a large enough, long term sample size to qualitatively endorse veganism as healthful for all is reckless.

Omnivores are going to have to make some changes, no doubt. Sustainable, integrative farming practices. Eating/using the whole animal again. Raising smaller ruminants like goat and sheep or smaller heritage cattle breeds...
08:06 AM on 08/16/2012
Sadly animals are killed in vegetable/grain farming,but do you not realize how much more grain goes into producing meat? That is a very weak argument against veganism because the amount of grain and other resources that go into meat are far more harmful. As she said, just because you cannot do everything, it does not mean that you shouldn't do something.

In order to feel pain and suffering, that typically requires a brain?

I would look for stronger arguments if you want to discredit veganism.
05:52 PM on 08/21/2012
"Vegans also conveniently continue to stick to the either/or argument. It's either be vegan or support factory farming."

INCORRECT

There's as much an argument to be made for "hunting" down and "fishing" other species to extirpation and extermination, too. Most of the "wildlife management policies" are designed to pressure select animals species into hyper reproduction so they can serve as fodder for the blood-thirsty, who kill them admittedly as "entertainment."

If you want real education as to the fact that hunters/anglers are NOT conservationists whatsoever, but selectiveists with a motive, read here:

http://www.amazon.com/The-American-Hunting-Myth-Baker/dp/0533063442/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1345585952&sr=8-1&keywords=American+Hunting+Myth
06:58 PM on 08/15/2012
Just another example of too little information to make a good decision. If you can't face the fact you are an omnivore by evolution, that's fine, but don't try to convince me to do something that is unnecessary and potentially bad for my health and that of my favorite planet. I am not arguing that the state of modern animal agriculture is deplorable. It is. However, eating meat raised on a natural diet means people can eat ALL of that corn and soy if they want, although I don't really know why they would want to. As simply as I can put it, here's how it has worked for thousands of years. Since I can't digest grass and ruminants can, we encourage them to eat it. After they have eaten enough of the stuff I can't digest and are of a size, I eat them too! But not before they have provided a way to fertilize future crops and produced enough offspring to repeat the process! Isn't nature swell that way?! I'm with you guys up to a point, but don't throw the baby out with the bath water please. We can change the way animals get fed and treated, but not eating them is, well... unnatural.
12:40 AM on 08/16/2012
Too little knowledge on the comment. We don't need to eat meat at all, yet we grow food for animals when that same food could be feeding people. Toss in the enviro impacts of factory farming at every level, and it becomes obvious that a vegan diet is the best answer to many human and planetary health. You can't digest, and you can't digest bark off an oak tree either. So what? You can digest many vegetables and will consume more than enough protein (there is some thought to adding B-12 to a vegan diet--many of us do). While that animal eats and pollutes until killed for you to eat, it's being pumped full of antibiotics to build up resistence in you as well. Nature is swell, alright, but this is NOT natural at all. For a few minutes of compelling debate, go to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQCe4qEexjc&feature=youtu.be .
08:30 AM on 08/16/2012
I don't believe you realize you used almost every point I addressed in my comment as a reason FOR a vegan diet.
First, we are omnivores and can survive on just about anything, so pointing out what we can get away with isn't the same as eating a nutritious diet.
Next, I pointed out my opposition to factory farming and included the model for how it should be done to mitigate the problems.
Then you brought up an unsupportable point about veganism being the best practice for a healthy planet. Seriously, you can't fight nature for very long and expect to win. It is far better to work with it than against it, and cutting out large parts of the nutrient cycle would be disastrous in the longer run! Look up topsoil depletion and read up on historical nutrient densities of our foods.
Next, you attempt to minimize a key point of evolution and our place in it. Try eating a diet of grass for a week and let me know how it goes.
And lastly, you provide a link to an almost purely emotional speech on animal cruelty as proof of your point. Again, I think I am on solid ground when I say vegans have too little knowledge on the overall problem of feeding the world.
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03:32 PM on 08/16/2012
Being an omnivore by evolution does NOT mean you have to eat meat. That would make you an obligate carnivore, which you are not. And it's not a veg*n diet that is threatening human, non-human, or environmental health.
06:09 PM on 08/16/2012
No, I'm an omnivore.  Obligate carnivore is something you came up with because it makes you feel more powerful to define terms I assume.  If meat is raised correctly, it is a benefit to the ecology.  The same kinds of damage can be observed in plant agriculture when done incorrectly, but you know that already and have the agenda to promote.
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11:49 AM on 08/15/2012
Hmm, I am quite startled by this headline which seems to portray this as a fact at some level; and in decades of being vegetarian and vegan, never once has this question been posed to me. Am I just lucky and didn't know it?
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03:34 PM on 08/16/2012
It's possibly a greater online phenomenon than not if the anonymous comment sections on veg*n stories/articles are any indication.
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06:00 PM on 08/16/2012
Sorry to hear that. Perhaps the move toward required attribution that more sites are planning will improve this.