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Remember Customer Service? Me Neither

Posted: 01/05/12 08:50 AM ET

Forbes contributor Larry Downes predicts that Best Buy will eventually go out of business. He based his prediction not on market share or holiday sales volume or any of those typical measurements of a retail company's health. It had to do with just one thing: lousy customer service. Amen, brother.

I'd actually like to take Downes' prediction and raise him one: I think there are a whole lot of retail companies that will wind up in the same out-of-business boat. Why? Because boomers still have the bucks and most of us still remember a time when the customer was always right. Heck, some of us still remember Ma Bell -- the mega-monopoly that managed to deliver excellent communications service without market competition until the government thought that was a bad thing and insisted it be broken up.

Businesses today pacify their bottom line by hiring cheap and inexperienced labor and skimping on staff training. As a result, customer service is a quaint custom of the past and retail stores today don't realize that they are shooting themselves in the foot for short-term profitability.

I'm talking about the Target kid who thought "I don't know" was the appropriate answer to "where is the Hanukkah gift wrap?", and the Albertson's bagger who offered to help me to my car with my $200 worth of groceries but then got distracted from the mission at hand to answer his cellphone; and the Macy's manager who told me I'd "just have to wait" -- not a "yes" or a "no" -- when I asked if another register was open. (And Mr. Macy's, just so you know, I actually don't "just have to wait." Another option is that I walk out of your store and never return; guess which one I picked?)

Yes, I know it's unfair to blame the hapless overstressed workers, who, in my more generous moments I'll allow are merely inexperienced and untrained (and when I'm feeling less generous I might wonder whether they are really as vacuous and ill-mannered as they seem and why they were given jobs in the first place when the country's unemployment rate remains so high). But the blame falls squarely at the feet of those who hire them, who give them responsibilities they are ill-equipped to handle and who set a low bar of expectations when it comes to customer service.

The premise of the customer always being right died when the Mom and Pop shops on Main Street died. Workers today are rarely invested in the store's success. They don't own it, don't have a future working there and don't care if a customer is happy with the service they provide. Trust me, Mr. Macy's really doesn't give a damn if I ever come back.

While Forbes writer Downes had his own Best Buy experience to share, I also had a recent tale of woe there. It took almost four hours at my local branch to get new cellphones and renew my family's service plan. Four hours.

First it required lasso-ing a sales clerk who knew nothing about the features of any of the phones he was charged with selling (he did allow that "a lot of people your age like Blackberrys" -- a comment I took to mean his mother has a Blackberry) and then losing him in the bowels of the store as he searched for someone -- The One Guy -- who knew anything about the phones' features.

Completing our order moved slowly because of the many overtures to sell us warrantees and additional services we didn't want, store computers that froze regularly and lost information, and The One Guy repeatedly being interrupted by the lesser mortals who couldn't answer their customers' questions. I feared a visit to the bathroom might cost me my place in the waiting-for-someone-to-help-me line, so I just stayed in place.

At the risk of sounding like a curmudgeon, you just can't find good service nowadays. From voicemail loops that exist to avoid letting you talk to a human being, to the expectation that you will be waiting on hold for hours -- and does the cable company really think by telling me that I will have a 40-minute wait to speak to a customer service representative ease the insult of that? And this is somehow my fault because I had the audacity to call at peak hours? Better I should call when no one is there, right?

Truth is, customer service is why I shop at Nordstrom. In October, I splurged and bought myself a not-on-sale sweater there. I wore it twice and took it with me to San Francisco for a weekend, where I wore it some more. When I got it home, I noticed a bad pull smack in the front.

I returned the sweater to the store and explained that I had worn it several times and had neither the tags or the receipt. I was hoping they would simply exchange it and was prepared to point out that for the price, I expected more durable merchandise. But no bluster was necessary on my part. They not only took it back with apologies, but noted that the sweater was currently marked down by 50 percent and asked whether I would prefer a cash refund or a credit to my account. All delivered with a smile, speed and an acknowledgment to the customer behind me that she would be waited on momentarily.

I was so impressed that I bought two sweaters and renewed my pledge to always try Nordstrom's first. Macy's, are you listening?

Most of our efforts to seek customer service involve a telephone. According to this Cyber Monday StellaService study, it takes Nordie's (sorry, but I feel like I'm a first-name basis with them) just 18 seconds to get you a live person when you call, compared to Best Buy's 3:43 or SonyStyle.com's 11:20.

Sure Nordstrom's isn't cheap, but neither is my time or blood pressure medication.

 
 
 

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02:16 PM on 01/16/2012
I'll give kudos to Lands' End and LL Bean - when you call them to place an order, you get a _human being_ on the first ring - wonderful!
Lands' End return policy: 100% Satisfaction. Period. I've never had any issue with returning anything to them, and they've lived up to their word. Same with LL Bean.
01:55 PM on 01/16/2012
My wife and I went into our local Sprint store to have her phone worked on in the highly advertised in-store repair shop and to pay our bill 2 weeks in advance....in full. Not only were we rudely told the shop was "always closed a few hours before3 the store closes" (which is not on any store hours signs in or out of the store), but we were told that in order to accept our CASH payment, they would have to charge us $3......really? I want to pay you, in CASH, and you act like it would be painful.

Let's just say that we are looking for a new provider.
11:00 AM on 01/16/2012
I have made this same rant often myself but I also can't help thinking about how much working in America has changed. Employees no longer hope to work their way up in a business, they no longer expect benefits or even fairness from the places they work. My disabled daughter worked at a Kroger for 4 years being treated miserably by the manager and many shoppers but they wouldn't transfer her. When she finally quit and went to another Kroger (it's a trick other employees told her how to do) we found out they had been listing her as a temporary employee so they wouldn't ever have to give her a raise or days off. She was less than nothing to that manager. This new one is wonderful and inclined to do the right thing but too many places treat employees like barely warm bodies - is it any wonder they begin to act like zombies?
08:29 AM on 01/16/2012
I personally feel that the answer, "I don't know," is at least -honest- and not bad customer service. I work in customer service. It's stressful because people have this entitlement idea and think they are entitled to anything and everything with as much rudeness as possible.
10:43 AM on 01/16/2012
I am with ya in customer service and it amazes me the things people will say to me, esp because we are a franchise business and they wrongly assume I am sitting in a far off cubicle instead of living and working in their community.
04:14 PM on 01/16/2012
I think the answer in and of it self is not unacceptable as l long as it's followed up with a "but let me find someone who does." Otherwise it is assumed that there is a silent, "and I don't care" at the end of the statement.
09:03 PM on 01/16/2012
I agree with both of you, that someone should seek out someone who does know the answer and...that people are amazingly rude to us in customer care just because they feel that we're somehow outsourced somewhere and they don't have to face us. I live and work in Colorado. I get paid little bit of nothing for the stress levels customer service/tech support get and yet I would never, ever call somewhere or go somewhere expecting half of the stuff people ask me for. I'm pleased with a smile, a pleasant voice, and honesty.
01:19 PM on 01/15/2012
There are many, many factors involved with the decline in customer service standards across the board in our country. This article touched on some of them but I believe the issue goes far deeper and I have written about it extensively on my site amazingservicereally.com

One of the biggest problems is that basic manners taught to children seems to be a thing of the past. Millions of kids in the "ME" generation were never taught how important it is to think of others first. Simply realizing that thinking of "others" extends your own peace and well being in this world is a basic tenet of civilization that isn't supported much anymore. A company can train employees till they are blue in the face but without that basic understanding their attempts to provide service will fail.
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07:09 AM on 01/16/2012
I'm sorry, but this is just ridiculous and incendiary at best.

Here's the deal, in general, American customers are, in fact, not correct. That said, while there is bad customer service in many areas, American customer service is far better than many other places in the world. The Japanese have us beat, but, really, that would be a feat to beat. (Until you run into a "rule" that they hide behind, but that's for another day...)

As for people thinking of "me" first, I would say that the generation who came of age in the 60's and 70's are some of the worst offenders of such self-centered behavior, in my experience. Older generations I give credit to their being much older and, well, we give a little more leeway to the aged.
02:09 PM on 01/16/2012
I assume when you say, "...this is just ridiculous and incendiary at best." you are referring to the continuation of your comment that follows.
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09:08 AM on 01/15/2012
Americans are spoiled with good customer service.

Case in point is your sweater - you wear it several times then find a pick on it - automatically the seller's responsibility, not that you wore it and probably caused the pick yourself.
08:32 AM on 01/16/2012
Awesome. Who returns something that she messed up? Knit fabrics are easy to snag or pull. Take care of your stuff and don't expect someone else to foot your bill when you didn't take care of it.
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11:04 AM on 01/17/2012
I returned the sweater because Nordstrom is a store that prides itself not just on excellent customer service, but on carrying good quality merchandise. Good quality sweaters do not pull and snag with normal wear. I didn't spill a cup of coffee on it and expect them to take it back. I wore it. For the price I paid, I expect it to last longer than just a few wearings. And Nordstrom is a store that agrees with that.
09:45 PM on 01/13/2012
I went to my local McDonald's the other night after i got off work. I took my place in the drive-thru six cars back. 30 minutes later I was still 4 cars from the window where I would collect my food purchase. I cut out of line and went inside and asked what the problem was and asked to speak to the Manager. A woman said she was the manager and told me that if I wanted my food she would get it. Then she walked in the back. I waited 10 more minutes and during this time the same guy who had been waiting at the window for at least 20 minutes was still waiting for his order, I left and will never go back. There is no explanation and no amount of free food or coupons that will ever get me to go back to any McDonald's as long as I live.
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01:54 PM on 01/15/2012
I went to a Burger King not that long ago. yes it was crowded, it was dinner time, there was one kid on the registers and 3 in the kitchen.( no one over the age of 19 could be seen) the ones in the kitchen were NOT bringing any food up.. after waiting 20 min for my 3 burgers, I asked if any food was coming up that I had been waiting 20 min, he grabbed a bag of food and THREW it at me. then stormed out of the restaurant. Now it takes a lot to get me angry.. I am usually the one that just takes it and walks out never to return. But after getting food thrown at me, ( and not even my order) I called their main office.. after being transferred to 5 different people. I finally got someone who told me, "well what do you want me to do about it?" I told her, I want you to make sure your staff are trained properly, make sure your younger staff are properly supervised. and I expect to be treated respectfully in your restaurants. All I got was silence.. then she asked me where she could send the coupons for the replacement of my meal.. I told her "don't bother, I will never step foot in one of your restaurants again". Even though Burger king is the closest restaurant to my home, I will never return.
12:59 AM on 01/16/2012
I don't blame you, we need to vote with our dollars. I usually understand when businesses are temporarily short staffed, but that is no reason to be disrespectful. One summer, about 20 years ago I managed a Dairy Queen. I'd been there about 2 weeks when, on a particularly busy Saturday night I noticed no one was coming through the drive-thru. The kids, because they thought they were being over-worked, to it upon themselves to put the 'Drive-Thru Closed' sign up. 10 years before that I was a waiter in a Pizza restaurant where the manager received a letter concerning the service they got when I waited on them. They were angry that it took me 5 minutes to wait on them and another 15 minutes to get their order. I framed it, for a laugh.
02:11 PM on 01/13/2012
I work in a small mom and pop boutique shop that has been in business for almost 35 years. My boss is one of those people who learned what customer service was ages ago, and has continued to present and groom each one of her employees to do the best we can at accommodating, welcoming, and going above and beyond basic care for one's customer. I feel privileged to have been trained at a young age, what it means to have good customer service. And like the article's author who will continue to give Nordstrom's business, our customers come back to shop with us over and over again because we provide what many others simply do not. I agree, businesses that do not provide good customer service could possibly fall by the way side.
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07:12 AM on 01/16/2012
One would think, but the way we want such low prices on everything (our wages don't help -- and let's not get into the discussion of a service economy and a spiraling downward of general income...) pretty much sets us up for the decline of customer service.

If you want good service, you will have to go to specialty or higher priced locales. One of the ways retailers cut costs to provide you with such good prices is in training, then all those extras we lament being harangued over.
10:17 AM on 01/13/2012
Great article and oh so true. I believe the key element is lack of training--which the author mentioned. One of the first things businesses do during tough times is cut training as it is seen as superfluous. Huge mistake. With the power of the Internet we all should do our part to send a message. Go to the the company FB page and post a comment. State the specific location and the name of the person you dealt with. Tweet about the experience and # the name of the business. Companies now have social media departments that search for mentions. You could even make a video--look what happened with United Breaks Guitars.
11:15 PM on 01/12/2012
Thank you for providing a public venue to vent about this.
Yes, I understand that customers are often rude, too, and compliments are also rare, but customer service is a fundamental part of successful business.
Sometimes, if there is no choice, because of a monopoly or similar situation, then the business survives.
But as long as there is a choice, my business goes to the place that works with me and for me.
09:19 PM on 01/12/2012
For once a really good article about customer service, Quick read, to the point.
09:15 PM on 01/12/2012
As a small business owner, and a previous Best Buy Employee I think your service experience depends on where you shop. Before Best Buy took everyone else out they gave a damn about their customers. Their biggest problem now is that their employees dont care about their jobs because the pay is capped, unless you get promoted, and the little training you do get is in the form of computer based tests on various things which are essentially useless, or a 7am meeting where someone reads some pre-scripted and not always accurate information to the respective employees. I also have to whole heartedly agree with Chris44107, people are too quick to complain and too slow to compliment these days.

I also wrote a blog about this article as it really hit home. Its from my perspective as a small business owner.

http://englishguyhe.com/2012/01/is-customer-service-dead-depends-on-where-you-shop-i-think/
08:43 PM on 01/12/2012
I don't know whats worst...a company representative trying to give you the 'run-around' or a company representative with an ACCENT that you cannot understand trying to give you the 'run-around'.The first company in my book to receive such an award is Sears
03:09 PM on 01/17/2012
After some recent run-around with Sears, I spent a bunch of time on the phone with their Customer Service. Their online systems have no connection with their brick-and-mortar systems. Your order number is meaningless, and, as in the case of my order, your phone number was entered wrong, your order is basically lost. After speaking to the third person, named Alexis or Jason -- all with very thick accents, I asked where their call center was. The answer was somewhere in Illinois. Maybe they have *a* call center in Illinois, but it certainly is not their main one. I'm certainly far from xenophobic, but I have a minor hearing loss, and thick accents/fast talking really gives me trouble.
Of course, Sears is not the only place using offshore customer service.

My recent *terrible* customer service experience was with 24Hour Fitness. Oooo, boy. The worst.
Bob Calvin
Work hard, work smart!
08:40 PM on 01/12/2012
Customers had changed. They were becoming more demanding and less willing to pay for the level of service demanded. In all I just got tired of it all. I expect service and am willing to pay for it yet rarely get it. I went a Best Buy and bought some cords. I was paying cash but the woman wanted my name and address, email address and telephone number. I told her no and she kept insisting. I left the cords on the counter and left. I also did something I would never have done years ago. I told her to put the cords someplace where the sun never shines. I get enough junk mail and spam to explain my reluctance. Do you want my business? Show me you want it by providing a decent product. I am tired fo getting the wrong color, the wrong size or spending two weeks calling to get you to come back and finish the work.
11:10 PM on 01/12/2012
I had the same experience also. Unfortunately I really needed what I was buying and being last minute couldn't go elsewhere. The person helping me also insisted on my name, address, etc. I also refused, she called someone higher up when I insisted she do so, as I was paying cash, didn't need a warrently. Finally I just told them Mickey Mouse, the mall's address, made up a email address with the included words like my privacy and said my phone number was 000-000-0000. I am sure there is an overide in that program but I was getting sick of waiting. Spoke to the manager by phone a few days later but received no kind words only accusations of why where you harrassing my employees. I refuse to shop at Best Buy now.
Bob Calvin
Work hard, work smart!
08:52 PM on 01/14/2012
They wonder why we buy online?
08:39 PM on 01/12/2012
To everyone who thinks customer service is so poor - do any of you EVER write a letter or ask to speak to the manager when someone has done an exceptional job? My experience is that more people want to complain than to compliment.
09:19 PM on 01/12/2012
I agree 110%! Consumers know that if they complain they will usually get a discount or something extra so they complain at the drop of a hat. But if they get an exceptional service experience, most times, they don't even realize it!!
11:19 PM on 01/12/2012
I do as I think it is important to recognize good customer service. Not only does the employee need to hear it but the supervisor or company needs to know. These cases are getting rarer though.