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Adventures of a Lady in Rock: "I Can't Get No . . ."

Posted: 01/18/2012 4:20 pm

So, which one are you sleeping with -- the drummer or the guitarist? Or did you go home with a fan? C'mon. You musicians are all the same, right? Throngs of groupie fanboys at your beck and call?

Thus went the playful text from an attractive guy-friend who had just come to one of my shows. He had given me the cursory "Nice show slash I'll see you soon slash but there's no way I'm waiting in that line to say hello to you" wave as he passed me in the merch booth, selling my wares to adorably tipsy audience members at the Hotel Cafe.

Now I was back in my dark hotel room, far from the venue on Cahuenga Boulevard in the heart of Hollywood, where singer-songwriters get record deals for writing songs that end up on Grey's Anatomy and Gossip Girl. Where I myself scored a record deal a few years ago with songs that ended up on Grey's Anatomy and Gossip Girl.

Now I was back in my dark hotel room -- alone, the smirk on my face illuminated by the iPhone glow of sardonic text messages.

My mind went down a familiar path, a path I've been treading for the past few years, as I focused on the words.

you musicians are all the same

... right?

throngs of groupie fanboys

at your beck

and call.

In fact, the sentiment of the text was one my female peers in rock and I have heard a hundred times over -- the gist being: you rock chicks must be fending off sexual advances from groupies like Mick and Keith in an outtake of "Cocksucker Blues." These comments, dispensed by friends, strangers and even family, are intended, I can only assume, to boost the presumably fragile ego of the performer, but the truth is, we "rock chicks" are in fact not engaging in many -- if any -- SexyFunTimesâ„¢ post-show. I thought I was alone, unique in my post-show solitude. But as I continued to find -- through months and months of careful research and data gathering -- I was the norm.

No one I talked to was reaping the sorts of sexual benefits people associate with musicians. None of us had a male equivalent of a Cynthia Plastercaster or a Marianne Faithful. Not even close. And if you follow Neko Case on Twitter, you already know that "ladies in bands don't get any action," as she so eloquently put it. Many -- myself, Michelle Branch, Miranda Brown (Crooked Fingers) and others -- concurred. It's true. None. Zilch. Nada. In fact, in many cases, being a performer seemed to actually work against us. It's almost as if a career on stage all but ensures a dismal romantic future with men -- specifically, with any "civilian" male in the general vicinity of our performance.

"Why do you think I married my bass player?" Branch joked.

It's not that we women wish for "throngs of groupie fanboys" (most of us don't). What's compelling is that the phenomenon of "throngs of groupie fanboys" does not exist when the shoe is on the other foot, and when that other foot belongs not to Mick Jagger but to a PJ Harvey or a Juliette Lewis.

It's not just musicians, either. Over the next several months, I asked the same question of any female performer I met -- comedians, authors, anyone who stepped onto a stage in a position of some illusory "power," especially those who travel or tour regularly: Has it been your experience that female performers enjoy the same sort of sexual attention/"action" that men in your position have enjoyed?

The answer was always the same: a resounding, "NO."

The follow-up, as you may suspect, was something along the lines of, "Well, why the hell not?"

The answers were so varied and interesting, I thought they merited more than just one column. Everybody had a theory -- ranging from the obvious ("The Question of Intimidation") to the esoteric ("The Issue of Guitar as Phallic Symbol/Cockblock") -- and I'll be examining each one over the coming months with the help of psychologists, gender studies scholars, sexperts, and my fellow rock friends. In the meantime, I'd love to hear from you guys: are you a female performer who's experienced this phenomenon? Any fanboy groupies out there want to prove me wrong?

 
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So, which one are you sleeping with -- the drummer or the guitarist? Or did you go home with a fan? C'mon. You musicians are all the same, right? Throngs of groupie fanboys at your beck and call? Thu...
So, which one are you sleeping with -- the drummer or the guitarist? Or did you go home with a fan? C'mon. You musicians are all the same, right? Throngs of groupie fanboys at your beck and call? Thu...
 
 
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JackieSmith890
04:21 PM on 03/12/2012
men have fragile egos. the moment a woman wants to do something with her life, they get intimidated. that is all. it's not rocket science.
02:52 PM on 03/12/2012
I'm into many female musicians. Living in Austin I get the opportunity to see many of them live. I've had a crush on Edie Brickell for many years....don't stand a chance..she and Paul Simon seem pretty commited. Saw her live at the Continental last year..yup I'm still smitten. Yvonne Lambert of the Octopus Project is amazingly talented, smart and adorable. I just have never been to figure out if Josh Lambert is her brother or husband. I'd love to hang out with any of Those Darlins especially Kelly. We always seem to make a connection when I see them live....I have never pursued it mainly out of the fear of becoming her muse ....
Having read this maybe I'll take up the opportunity next chance I get. I might even use this article as a hook up line...
01:21 PM on 01/21/2012
George Harrison had a bad crush on Ronnie Spector. Ronnie and the Ronnetes were opening for the Beatles on a tour. George used to watch her sing from the curtains. He'd write songs about her, songs for her to sing. Little love poems. He never showed any of them to her, never even dared to because she was married to Phil Spector. Even back then people realized Phil Spector was off his rocker and that their marriage was a farce but to young innocent George married was married.

This state of affairs (George adoring Ronnie from afar, Ronnie having either no clue or no interest) for the duration of the tour. At the end of the tour there's a big party and several of the Rolling Stones are there. The Stones are just beginning their tour now that the Beatles tour is ending. Ronnie meets Keith Richards, she is instantly smitten and winds up leaving the party with him and going back to his hotel room. George turns to eastern religion.
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french queen13
my beloved is mine and I am his
12:08 AM on 01/21/2012
One more question occurs to me - do you _want_ that attention?
09:41 AM on 01/20/2012
Female musician here who agrees that we aren't trolling the audience for lays. Also, we do get approached from time to time ( can I carry your amp? is a good example) I've met my last 2 relationships while performing in my band. They came to see me and struck up a conversation with me, and my current boyfriend is a musician too. Musicians are like anyone else - some are horndogs and some are the quiet type.
01:51 AM on 01/20/2012
The reasons for this are obvious. Women don't have to become rock stars to have access to unlimited numbers of willing male sex partners. Women are the choosers and men are the the beggars. Men avoid asking women who will reject them because they are human and their ego is fragile. Why ask a women who would appear to have access to a large selection of higher status males knowing women tend to crave status? No the sex lives of rock star females is not interesting. No matter what they do it's not something a naughty girl with average looks can't .
BlackTom
Your micro bio is empty
09:36 PM on 01/19/2012
So, if a fan approached you for sex, would he have to really try? Would he have to figure out a way to work it ? Or could he just hang around the stage and get picked up for some hot action?

I get the feeling that the girl groupies just have to be physically present, with not much effort required.
Could I just give you the eye and have a backstage pass brought out by a roadie?
06:29 PM on 01/19/2012
L7, and Debbie Gibson supposedly used to troll audiences for strange.
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D W Smith
Obama/Biden 2012
09:26 PM on 01/19/2012
... Debbie Gibson?

... wow
08:33 AM on 01/20/2012
On the nostalgia tour circuit. Not when she was younger.
03:28 PM on 01/19/2012
gee, this Anya Marina sounds like a peach to talk to. "hey how's it going Anya?" fine, hey have you had sex with any fanboy groopies? No... well me neither and why the hell not?!?!

...can't imagine why you're not getting any "action".
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D W Smith
Obama/Biden 2012
01:36 PM on 01/19/2012
you're too good for us mortals!!

Y'all need to score yourselves a music demigod... like one of those Dethclock guys
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D W Smith
Obama/Biden 2012
02:43 PM on 01/19/2012
oopsie....
dethklok
12:35 PM on 01/19/2012
This is a great angle that hasn't been approached much in the past. I come from a similar background - I spent the last 6 years touring internationally as a crew member for various bands and performers. Actually Anya and I did a brief tour together a while back, though our paths didn't cross much.

As typically the only female, I was frequently asked "so which one in the band are you dating?" (I was an easy target, trapped behind the merch table all night). On the other hand, there's a stigma that girls who tour get into it to hook up with musicians. That was never on my mind - I wanted to travel and hang out with friends. Often I found myself stressing over what other people thought of me, and if they were grouping me in with the more promiscuous girls. I was once told by a touring colleague that I have a very businesslike non-sexual persona when I'm working - I think maybe this is my defense mechanism to insure that my good reputation precedes me. Without a good reputation, I can't get work.... this isn't quite the same for crew dudes.

Generally, crew dudes get a lot of action on the road, sometimes more than the guy in the band if he is married/faithful/uninterested. I always thought it was ironic when band wives made a fuss about a female on tour - if anything, I'm helping chase groupies off the bus.
11:47 AM on 01/19/2012
I am a female pop rock musician and let me tell you, every musician I meet at some point tries to sleep with me. In fact, many men in the music industry (producers, a&r's, agents) have tried to come onto me. However, fans, audience members, or men that are just not in the industry generally do not, perhaps as a product of intimidation?
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Guardian Weasel
News Media: We don't need balance. We need truth.
02:50 PM on 01/19/2012
You're probably surrounded by dudes wherever you go. Not just in the band, but behind the sound board, working the stage crew, etc. Guys who aren't already "in the loop" probably don't see their odds as being very good.
RealistBC
Micro-bios must pass muster.
04:05 AM on 01/20/2012
I was in the business for several years. The majority of the time any female members are the partners of the band's alpha males, and no one else wants to tangle with the weighted end of a boom stand in a dark and tight space over a woman. Better to just stick you your own amusements and leave the chase to those who are going to win it anyway.
11:33 AM on 01/19/2012
I Blame The Patriarchy
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Guardian Weasel
News Media: We don't need balance. We need truth.
09:42 AM on 01/19/2012
> It's not that we women wish for "throngs of groupie fanboys" (most of us don't).

You kind of said it all with those four words in the parentheses. Most fanboys probably just assume that you're (a) already spoken for, or (b) wouldn't be interested in a random hook-up with a stranger. They'd probably be right more than 90% of the time.

So I guess we need to confront the double standard in which it is assumed that men generally are looking for a random hookup and women are not. There. Consider it confronted.
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jf12
When I saw her I marveled greatly.
09:56 AM on 01/19/2012
It looks confronted to me.
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bryan broome
Am. The land of the homeless free of the brave.
06:58 AM on 01/19/2012
Any true musician will tell you that making music is better than sex anyway. It's a spiritual connection with the other members in the band that is beyond most folks comprehension.
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aurora59
Sarcasm: just one of the many services we offer
08:40 AM on 01/19/2012
Music better than sex? Hmmm..........I would have to think a bit on that one. Equally satisfying, perhaps? Seems to me, both can create amazing, spiritual connections, after a great performance:)
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bryan broome
Am. The land of the homeless free of the brave.
09:55 AM on 01/19/2012
True