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Bill Keller Accuses Me of "Aggregating" an Idea He Had Actually "Aggregated" From Me

Posted: 03/10/11 07:00 PM ET

Perhaps unsettled by the fact that, when combined, The Huffington Post and AOL News have over 70 percent more unique visitors than the New York Times, and that HuffPost/AOL News' combined page views in January 2011 were double the page views of the Times (1.5 billion vs. 750 million), New York Times executive editor Bill Keller decided to unleash an exceptionally misinformed attack on HuffPost in a column released today and slated for this weekend's NYT Magazine.

After opening his piece by patting himself on the back so hard I'd be surprised if he didn't crack a rib (it seems everyone -- even Woody Allen and those folks on Twitter -- thinks he's super "powerful" and "influential"!), Keller turned to the putative subject of his column: "the 'American Idol'-ization of news" and the evils of "aggregation." Hearkening back to the glory years when Rupert Murdoch and his minions labeled sites that aggregate the news "parasites," "content kleptomaniacs," "vampires," and "tech tapeworms in the intestines of the Internet" (the news industry equivalent of "your mama wears army boots!" although, not quite as persuasive), Keller says of aggregation: "In Somalia this would be called piracy. In the mediasphere, it is a respected business model."

He then describes HuffPost's offerings as nothing more than "celebrity gossip, adorable kitten videos, posts from unpaid bloggers and news reports from other publications."

I wonder what site he's been looking at. Not ours, as even a casual look at HuffPost will show. Even before we merged with AOL, HuffPost had 148 full-time editors, writers, and reporters engaged in the serious, old-fashioned work of traditional journalism. As long ago as 2009, Frank Rich praised the work of our reporters in his column. Paul Krugman more recently singled out the work of our lead finance writer. Columbia Journalism Review has credited our work for advancing the public's understanding of the national foreclosure crisis, and a pair of our Washington reporters recently received a major journalism prize. Matthew Yglesias, Felix Salmon, Catherine Rampell, are among the many others who have cited the work of our reporters. Did Keller not notice that?

And did he not notice that he lost one of his top business reporters, Peter Goodman, to The Huffington Post -- despite his best efforts to keep him? Indeed, on the very day that Keller's column began circulating, we published a piece Goodman edited, a 4,000-word investigation of a for-profit college by Goodman's first hire, Chris Kirkham, a former Washington Post intern. Did he think he came over to aggregate adorable kitten videos? And was he too busy scanning all those lists of "most powerful people" he's on to notice that he also lost one of his top editors, Tim O'Brien, to us?

Even so, if those were the only charges he'd leveled, I wouldn't have bothered responding. As they say on those TV lawyer shows, "Asked and answered."

But then Keller went much further, accusing me of "aggregating" his very thoughts! To wit:

How great is Huffington's instinctive genius for aggregation? I once sat beside her on a panel in Los Angeles (on -- what else? -- The Future of Journalism). I had come prepared with a couple of memorized riffs on media topics, which I duly presented. Afterward we sat down for a joint interview with a local reporter. A moment later I heard one of my riffs issuing verbatim from the mouth of Ms. Huffington. I felt so... aggregated.

That's quite the claim to make, Bill, especially without offering a single specific. Luckily, I remembered the panel and the subsequent radio interview very well, and quickly found transcripts of both. So what was it that left Keller feeling "so... aggregated"?

During the panel, sponsored by the Milken Institute, and held on April 28, 2010, Keller said the following:

But what I think will happen, and you can already start to see it, is there's a little bit of a convergence going on. We've talked a lot about how some of the mainstream organizations we represent are adapting the tools and more important, the kind of culture and psychology, of a more open media world. I think it's also true that a lot of the alternatives -- the startups -- are beginning to see the need for discipline, resources, standards.

A bit later, during the joint radio interview we did with Patt Morrison, I said:

Well, I think there is a convergence happening. There was a big debate over the last few years about whether the newspapers will survive, whether the future is going to be only online. And I think we are realizing now, increasingly, that online, purely online news operations like The Huffington Post are more and more adopting the most traditional, basic tenets of journalism. Accuracy, fairness, fact-checking, reporters, more and more editors, and mainstream traditional operations like the New York Times or NPR are adopting more and more of the digital tools that can bring in the community to make it part of the creation of journalism, through citizen journalism, through reports from the ground, through video, through Twitter feeds, through all the new media available to us.

The trouble for Keller is that this viewpoint, right down to the use of the word "convergence," is one I had been expressing to describe the changes happening in the media for years.

For instance, in May 2008, two years before the Milken panel, I told the Star Tribune, "I think that what we are seeing is a kind of convergence of the mainstream media doing more and more online, and those of us in online media and the blogosphere doing more and more reporting, along with citizen-journalism projects."

In November 2008, 17 months before the panel, speaking of the media's coverage of the '08 race, I told Reuters, "There's this real convergence, where basically you found that the best and most accurate rose to the top, whether it originated from Time magazine or from Nate Silver's fivethirtyeight.com, which did not exist before the election."

And in January 2010, three months before Bill Keller's "memorized riff" on convergence, I told Canada's CTV, "And then we can have a hybrid future where there is a convergence between old media and new media. It's not an either/or world."

Indeed, as far back as March 2007, over three years before the Milken panel, I wrote a post outlining my take on what was happening in the media world: "Those papers that wake up in time will become a journalistic hybrid combining the best aspects of traditional print newspapers with the best of what the Web brings to the table."

So who was it, Bill, who was "aggregating" someone else's ideas?

Keller's attack is as lame as it is laughable. I wonder if that Hollywood screenwriter who Keller giddily tells us has purchased an option on his life-rights will include this scintillating episode in his movie?

In any case, this whole thing has left me feeling, to coin a phrase, "so... aggregated."

Okay, back to the merger.

 
 
 

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Perhaps unsettled by the fact that, when combined, The Huffington Post and AOL News have over 70 percent more unique visitors than the New York Times, and that HuffPost/AOL News' combined page views i...
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HUFFPOST SUPER USER
TXFF5000
04:34 AM on 03/16/2011
Maybe many years ago the New York Times was considered an "important" newspaper.

But that's because big newspapers in one region of the country had limited competitors, so people had little choice in what they read.

Now that so many more media options out there, today truly ONLY the best media sources will do well, since there is so much competition out there.

I believe the HuffingtonPost has been a successful newsource because it allowed more news stories, from all types of angles, to its readers. The HuffingtonPost also, in my opinion is more INTERACTIVE with its readers than just about any mainstream newsmedia out there. People like this a lot, since it provides its readers with the varied opinions of other readers.

The New York Times would barely do this. Even on its website, all the letters to the editor in the New York Times were tightly controlled and varied opinions are LIMITED.

In short, its no surprise that Bill Keller and his failing New York Times are becoming a big joke. Especially when they criticize out of jealously, news organizations like the HuffingtonPost that are far more successful and know what they are doing.
08:29 PM on 03/13/2011
Yours.
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HenHouse
WhoWhatWhyWhereWhenHow and how much?
05:20 PM on 03/13/2011
Goodman and Kirkham, nice ring to it......maybe it's time for a prize winning expose of the internal workings of the New York Times
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Patrick Kearns
05:19 PM on 03/13/2011
Arianna, with the Huffington Post growing and the NY Times shrinking daily, take joy that in another 4 or 5 years Bill Keller will be asking you for a job.
05:01 PM on 03/13/2011
I think she protests too much - else why even respond to Keller? Obviously he has some point to which she feels compelled to respond. Where there's smoke, there's probably fire.
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Jason Mannino
07:53 PM on 03/13/2011
how about because it was sooooooooooooooooooooooo easy for her to demonstrate how misinformed he is by simply repeating words that came out of her mouth? and yes, I"m an unpaid blogger.
08:58 PM on 03/13/2011
Keller obviously hit a sore spot, otherwise AH would have let it roll off her back without comment, no matter how easy the target may have been. Or was there alternatively nothing else of merit worthy of her attention? "I think the lady doth protest too much" (to paraphrase the immortal master of words and sentiments)
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judgeinmillvalley
09:19 PM on 03/13/2011
Agreed, MichaelinMD. She seems compelled to cross every t and dot every i in her general defense. Too much protest and publicity for the charges. Who really cares anyway? The success of Huff Post --now something different--is what should matter to her.

Yes, I'd be upset about the crack about kitten videos, but surely she's demonstrated she's made of stronger stuff. A good model to follow is JFK's. When someone accused him of buying an election, he had a response something like this: Dad said he be darned if he'd buy a landslide. As for nepotism in appointing Bobby K as attorney general, he had amusing and self-deprecating answers for that i.e. Bobby should start at the top.

When you make fun of a charge, sometimes it reduces its significance. Perhaps the Huff Post should have replied thusly to Keller: all singing, all dancing kitten videos COMING SOON.
02:16 PM on 03/13/2011
It is refreshing to view news from the left, views that are to far left for CNN like death tolls in our on going wars, the likes of which faux news would not dare televise. I feel more informed and I look forward to a day that we can see articles about government lobbying (is that really democratic?) and off shore bank accounts for big business (still legal somehow). I say put them to the fire Arianna you have them flustered or they wouldn't be complaining.
01:09 PM on 03/13/2011
The NYT, together with other media and newspapers, has a long list of sins concerning
financial reporting and news. Probably its the bad conscience and the need for scapegoating
that led to this storm in the cup.
http://rinf.com/alt-news/media-news/where-was-media-when-sub-prime-disaster-unfolded/2854/
12:59 PM on 03/13/2011
If everything in a newspaper was original and the consequence of initiative -- no wire, no press releases, no phone calls from flaks, no special off-the-record briefings -- he'd have a point, maybe.

Times change; the Times wants to be immune.
12:46 PM on 03/13/2011
I think the criticisms are warranted and I think it is a shame. We needed something authentic, of high caliber and unslanted (stop the pretense that you are covering the President fairly). The original audience of this site can tell you you haven't gone in the right direction with this effort. I check in less and less and swear I won't again each time. I used to put effort into commenting. Now I feel conflicted, like what's the point. I have always hated the tabloidesque stuff but put up with it. Now with the decline of the authenticity (I don't want to play yet again into a corporate money pot venture) its hard not to just go away for good.
02:36 PM on 03/13/2011
I agree with your sentiments. There is way too much BS on Huff Post, and - like you - I am also checking in less often. I don't really need to read articles on the "best new sandwiches" and a lot of other crap on this site. I've totally gone over to Al-Jazeera live stream and BBC news.
No BS, and great programming....
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What Goes Around
08:41 PM on 03/13/2011
Excellent post.
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09:49 AM on 03/13/2011
Well, there ARE too many cute kittens and too much celbrity gossip. Not to mention way too many Jimmy Fallon articles.
10:09 AM on 03/13/2011
The variety is great. You can study up on your criminals, thieves, extortionists, you know, the usual in Washington. You see heroes, like Kucinich, looking out for human rights. But you can also study up on the heroes working for clean food, clean water and air, trying to save the planet for all of us. Information, and lots of it. Mainly, I like to see all the deceit in politics brought out in the open. The celebrity part is entertaining but also very important as some celebrities are using their voices constantly to help this country and the world. This guy is obviously jealous. You can almost see the green "converging the old with the new" Huffpost did it so quickly and so well.
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Don't Sit Down
09:42 AM on 03/13/2011
Come on, Klepto the Kitten video was fantastic. :-)
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ljmck
Stand Up, Show Up, Speak Up
09:38 AM on 03/13/2011
You may agree that Keller did something wrong, but you may not disagree.
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02:24 PM on 03/13/2011
Some agreements are apparently more agreeable than others.
08:30 AM on 03/13/2011
You don't suppose it's envy or jealousy on his part do you? HP is a rising force, and the NYT isn't.
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Electrum 01
And the horse you rode in on.
11:49 PM on 03/12/2011
R-r-r-rower-r-r-r! Tear him a new one A!