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This week's headlines were rightly dominated by news from Japan, Libya, and Bahrain. But developments on another international story -- Afghanistan -- also deserve our attention. Joining a growing list of Republican leaders, Haley Barbour took his first steps toward a possible 2012 run by sharply questioning our continuing presence in the country. This came on the heels of Mike Huckabee also distancing himself from the war. Of course, Barbour and Huckabee are actually catching up to the American people: a new poll showed that 64 percent of the public says the war in Afghanistan is no longer worth fighting. You know we've moved way beyond left vs. right on this issue when Afghanistan threatens to become an issue in 2012, with the GOP hopefuls staking out the anti-war position. Elsewhere, Gilbert Gottfried and Barbour spokesman Dan Turner were enshrined in the #waytoosoon hall of shame.

 
 
 

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10:25 PM on 03/24/2011
Pat Buchanin Republicans.

What else is new
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Dmpolis
Dedicated to truth ,justice and the American way
08:15 AM on 03/24/2011
1993-99: President Clinton utilized United States armed forces in various operations, such as air strikes and the deployment of peacekeeping forces, in the former Yugoslavia, especially Bosnia and Kosovo. These operations were pursuant to United Nations Security Council resolutions and were conducted in conjunction with other member states of NATO. During this time the President made a number of reports to Congress "consistent with the War Powers Resolution" regarding the use of U.S. forces, but never cited Section 4(a)(1), and thus did not trigger the 60 day time limit. Opinion in Congress was divided and many legislative measures regarding the use of these forces were defeated without becoming law. Frustrated that Congress was unable to pass legislation challenging the President's actions, Representative Tom Campbell and other Members of the House filed suit in the Federal District Court for the District of Columbia against the President, charging that he had violated the War Powers
09:45 AM on 03/21/2011
There are some serious constituti­onal questions surroundin­g the action in Libya. Where are the media questions/challenges on this issue? The quality of journalism in this country is on a downward spiral.

The Constituti­on gives Congress the power to declare war and pass laws regulating the military (article 1 sec 8). In this role, they've passed the War Powers Act (50 U.S.C. 1541–1548). Section 1541 says the President, as Commander in Chief, can only constituti­onally order military forces into combat pursuant to:

(1) a declaratio­n of war,
(2) specific statutory authorizat­ion, or
(3) a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territorie­s or possession­s, or its armed forces.

It doesn't seem to me that any of the three criteria have been met for combat in Libya. The more commonly known provisions, with notification requirements to Congress, do not relieve the President of the duty to meet section 1541.

Will Congress let the Executive Branch off the hook?

-FB's Card-Carry­ing American
02:18 PM on 03/21/2011
Here's a quote from someone who apparently agrees with me...Can anyone tell me who said this? Anyone? You only get one guess....

"The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation."

-FB's Card-Carrying American

p.s. His use of the word "unilaterally" here refers to "without seeking a use-of-force authorization from Congress."
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kocean1
When this party's over it will start again
10:36 PM on 03/20/2011
War is big business for the number one arms dealer in the world. One question I have yet to see answered is who sold all these arms to Libya when they knew he was a little bit off center. Wonder who made all the money off that deal. Could not have been black market-Victor Bout is in jail in Manhattan. How do you leave Afghanistan-as Bush said we are going to "double down" and his general forget who it was said your " all in". The US is all in in Afghanistan.
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08:55 PM on 03/20/2011
Arianna... good summary... and you are right... I am a conservative who questions military action without

1. A clear objective

2. A clear definition of "victory"

Afghanistan has neither.

We simply don't have the money to "nation build" anymore.
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Dmpolis
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08:19 AM on 03/24/2011
You mean something like Iraq?“Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic favor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed,the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather,the citizenry,infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so. How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Ceasar.”
06:48 PM on 03/20/2011
anyone else notice the flood of "EnergyTomorrow.com" commercials and the flood of Oil and Gas creastes jobs commercials during this weeks round of politics?
09:52 PM on 03/20/2011
haven't noticed any additional commercials however I have noticed an unreasonable rise in the cost of both...maybe less ad time would help them not price gauge my wallet
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sunbeltvoter
Teapublican Evangelical Cults ARE The Problem
06:20 PM on 03/20/2011
Wow I finally understand the Republican Platform.

2004: Reelect Bush because he was tough enough to start two necessary wars.
2008: Don't elect Obama because he is not tough enough to continue the two wars Bush left him.
2012: Don't reelect Obama because he is not tough enough to end the two unnecessary wars Bush started.

Straight talk from the RNC.
07:41 PM on 03/20/2011
You should also remember that it was not just Bush that started the wars. . . he had help from his fellow Republicans and the Democrats. Obama is simply doing what all consummate politicians do. Anyone who believed there would be "change" was simply closing their eyes and ears to what Obama said and did.
09:53 PM on 03/20/2011
wow.....really>?????
10:38 PM on 03/20/2011
I think you are mistaken, Bush / Chaney /Wolfowitz pushed that war down the country's throat. And did a lot of lying to do so. I cant blame Obama for not being able to get us out of it. It is still "punish Republicans for giving us the Dynamic Duo", if you ask me. I cant believe we let them back at the controls so fast. We just cant remember shit in this country very long, now we have a House full of it.
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MiMiThePokerDiva
06:06 PM on 03/20/2011
If Pres.Obama doesn't have an immedite ceasefire to the mess in Afganistan,he will onlt get a 2nd term by the skin of his teeth..There is no need for him to hold on to Bushes wars.
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samtee
Shankapotomus.
08:09 PM on 03/20/2011
If anyone votes for him again it will prove ignorance
09:49 PM on 03/20/2011
I assume you must ready to promote the outstanding candidates from the republican side of the fence? Be certain to state their qualifications and what they will do differently to move our country forward in a manner that benefits all levels of society.
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sunbeltvoter
Teapublican Evangelical Cults ARE The Problem
10:16 PM on 03/20/2011
The US voters disproved your theory bigtime in both 1984 and 2004. It is those massive displays of ignorance that give Palin and Bachmann and company the silly belief that they too might get elected POTUS.
05:36 PM on 03/20/2011
This, I believe, is a huge problem with politics all over the world. When wars are popular, the politicians are quick to jump on it. When public loses interest in a war, just like an old TV show, the politicians are quick to criticize it. Wars are not games, these are horrific reminders of what mankind is capable of. A war is only worth fighting when we are trying to save innocent lives, regardless if the innocents are at home or in enemy soil.

Perhaps people will eventually learn that if any country starts a war, the country has a responsibility to the innocent lives that may be destroyed if a country is turned into a war zone, than into a wasteland when the armies leave. We cannot leave Afghanistan. As harsh as it may sound to all of us here, we cannot just leave a country completely unstable. It is a hole that we dug ourselves.

Remember, revolutions are never imposed. Revolution must come from the people themselves. If most of the people of Iraq or Afghanistan were ready for Democracy, they would be doing what Libyans, Egyptians, Bharanians, Tunesians have done.

The Libyan war is the responsibility of Libyan people, because they started it. Afghanistan is ours, because we started it.
07:47 PM on 03/20/2011
So by your standard for wars being worth fighting, we would rightfully be involved in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya. It would also include Iran, North Korea and Darfur, among many, many others. Revolutions don't always come from the people themselves. They can be instigated by third parties with their own interests in mind. If good people don't stand up for the innocent people being oppressed in the world, regardless of politics, then we have no credibility when it comes to compassion and being humane. My husband is a Viet Nam vet. He agrees that we should get out of Afghanistan.
08:05 PM on 03/20/2011
The point I was trying to make is that starting wars is not a matter to be taken lightly. Going into Iraq and Afghanistan was pointless on the basis of giving people freedom/democracy. What I am trying to say is that intervention on the principle of freedom is right only when people are ready for freedom.

As far as Afghanistan goes, all I am saying is that we are all that stands in that country between the people and chaos. You understand my meaning? It was rather unintelligent going in, but leaving without giving some sort of stability to the people would be immoral.
09:55 PM on 03/20/2011
sadly....I believe you are correct madam. Unfortunately we can no longer choose the path of war. It is thrust upon us and we must deal with the circumstances.
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JaneK13
04:40 PM on 03/20/2011
To echo Shirley Fisk: "Does anyone pay attention to the Constitution anymore?"

The U.S. Constitutions says: "...to provide for the common defense..." it doesn't say "to go on the offensive wherever and whenever we want."

Libya is not our fight -- like it or not, it's a civil war.

When we show NO RESPECT for sovereign nations (even those who have despots like Sadaam & Khadaffi) it's no wonder why the rest of the world has no respect for us as a nation. We can say the word humanitarian over & over, but what we do speaks louder than what we say.

By the way, this morning the Arab League backed out of the Libyan invasion. As soon as we launched the missles, the Arab League said this isn't what we signed up for. All Libya's neighbors will be on the sidelines when the pictures of the innocent civilians killed or wounded by the nasty American missles show up on AlJazzera. Now it's our war for sure. Libya is broke and we've got to fix it. Can anyone say boots on the ground??

We should bring our military home and station them on the southern border. That's the REAL threat to the homeland. That's where we really need to provide for the common defense. An enemy invasion takes place on a daily basis and we allow it -- we're asleep with our eyes open.
07:49 PM on 03/20/2011
This isn't a U.S. invasion. It is a UN sanctioned action. I don't know about you, but obviously many other countries agree together that innocent people need protection from their murdering dictator/oppressor. As for the southern border, the easiest and most effective solution would be to make all drugs legal. End of story.
04:33 PM on 03/20/2011
I consider myself a conservative. I have defined conservatism as limited government and limited spending. George W. Bush used the tragic events of 911 to greatly increase the size and spending of the federal government. These actions were far from "conservative." Yet, these actions went unchecked and unquestioned by both Democrats and Republicans alike. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were begun while this country was still so frightened over the events of 911 they were lashing out. These wars have done nothing to make us safer. Our economy can not handle continued wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. You can call it "liberal" or "conservative" if you wish. Regardless, our federal government is too large and too expensive. But all the small cuts of programs will not even put a dent into our spending. In order to curb spending, we must look at the military and we need to stop pouring money into private contractors and these wars.
06:50 PM on 03/20/2011
At least you understand,,, But if your in Tx like I am, understanding just makes you a minority citizen.
06:52 PM on 03/20/2011
I'll be fan #1 for that.
03:59 PM on 03/20/2011
@Arianna, I've caught you on The Daily Show and have been using the Android App for sometime now. After seeing you sign on for the SHRM Conference I figured I'd delve into the site more. WOW. I feel like I was in the kids sandbox on news sites like Yahoo and CNN.

Keep up the great work.
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mjc
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03:17 PM on 03/20/2011
Admiral Mike Mullen did heroic duty today appearing on NBC, ABC, and CBS to defend the administration's actions over Libya: the US is one of many nations responding to the rebels request for a no-fly zone; the US is not trying to remove Qaddafi, only following UN resolution 1973; France fired the first shots and Britain and the US planes are taking out aircraft batteries; SAM missiles are removing communications, airbases; the Arab League, Quatar in particular, will also be joining in the attempt to stop Qaddafi's tanks from executing Libyan civilians. As usual, NBC's Meet the Press had the best analysis and even more than one critic of Barak Obama's delayed military action. ABC's Amanpour, as usual, kept us distracted with her theatric style, body language and European syntax, but Mullen said pretty much the same thing here as on the other networks. George Will was the only saving grace on the show with his pithy criticism of American intervention.
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Veman
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02:55 PM on 03/20/2011
I no longer put any stock in the words of politicians regardless of whether their names are followed by a D or an R.
08:00 PM on 03/20/2011
What took you so long?
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nofriendofrepublicans
Mother friendly.
08:45 PM on 03/20/2011
Welcome to the club.
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Guitarsandmore
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02:35 PM on 03/20/2011
http://www.kucinich.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=229992

Dennis Kucinich wants to have a congressional debate and a vote before we launch into Libya. Something about the U.S. constitution and only congress having the power to declare war. Does anyone even pay any attention at all to the Constitution anymore?
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mjc
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03:19 PM on 03/20/2011
He and others called for that before we took on Afghanistan and Iraq, to no avail.
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03:40 PM on 03/20/2011
3/20/11
3:40pm
Arlington, VA

'"Does anyone even pay any attention at all to the Constituti­on anymore?"

Yes, if it suits them.
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mpilkanis
Attitude Adjustments Done Here
04:22 PM on 03/20/2011
Bravo. Fanned.
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JaneK13
04:51 PM on 03/20/2011
"...provide for the common defense" doesn't mean go on the offense against other countries.