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Like Jason Voorhees in Friday the 13th, the public option rose from the grave this week (instead of slashing teenage victims, it would slash health care costs). With zero input from the White House, 41 Senators have agreed to support a public option via reconciliation. Ryan Grim lays out how that can easily become 50 -- and Dick Durbin has promised to "aggressively whip" a health care bill that includes a public option. But Nancy Pelosi won't include it in the reconciliation package. Why? She claims it's because the Senate doesn't "have the votes" -- which could also be said about the House passing the Senate bill (Stupak, anyone?). So the Senate blames the House, the House blames the Senate, the White House acts as if it doesn't have a say in the matter, and the insurance companies -- lacking real competition -- keep laughing all the way to the bank.


 
 
 

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RedRat
Ignorance is fixable, stupidty is forever
08:11 PM on 03/15/2010
Look, I recognize that compromise is the way of Congress, that is the political fact of life. However, compromise always involves two willing parties who will partake in a "give and take" debate. I don't see this happening. Basically, the Republican party is just saying NO and is absolutely against any Health Care Reform.

I have yet to hear from the Democratic Party, as a whole, where does the party stand on Health care reform. Yes, I hear a great deal of spin about maybe we are for the PO and maybe we are against it. Methinks it is now time to reform the Democratic Party, as it now stands it really is at least two parties (progressives on one side and conservatives on another)--ya can't be in the same party, that is schizophrenic.
10:11 AM on 03/15/2010
I don't think we should be blaming Obama for all this compromise - which is what I think is having to be done. If the PO is now watered down then its probably because they couldn't pass the better one. Its tough tough tough! in this country. The people that tried in the eighties were defeated with misinformation ads and Hillary later. It is not easy at all to just pass better health care bills. I am sure he is doing his best!

McCharlie
Twitter: @McCharlie5
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09:43 AM on 03/15/2010
They should have all stood up for the people, the public option, and it would have gone down in history as something real, honorable, a beginning for the people. But none of them did. It's too bad they're going to have to put thru this watered down bill because of the GOP. Why? They won't work with them on energy or immigration or anything else anyway. This is a fight. They are fighting hard but you are not. You people make me physically sick that you played to them in some ways when they are after one thing -- power. They don't care how they get it and who they hurt. They will happily see our country go down to gain power back. Please understand this is a fight with them. Have to the guts to participate and win. The people won for you; now do your jobs.
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floodberg
Attorney (ret.)
12:34 AM on 03/15/2010
CONSTITUTIONAL LAW 101 - IS HEALTH CARE A RIGHT
PT. 1 OF 2, PLEASE READ IN ORDER

As our society has changed over time new situations and technologies unforseen by the Founding Fathers have posed new problems. In Roe v. Wade, whether the state had the right to outlaw or restrict abortions was at issue. Plaintiffs argued that the fact that these situations didn't exist when the country was founded should not prevent privacy from being a "right." The Defendants argued against creating "new rights" thus expanding the Constitution/Bill of Rights judicially rather than by amendment and ratification ("strict construction.")

In a stunning landmark decision SCOTUS acknowledged that this right was not explicitly named in the Const./BR. However, they found the Declaration of Independence/Const/BR and other documents showed implied respect for privacy and intent to protect it from legislative interference or regulation. Due process, which regulates the state's ability to legislate, was considered controlling. States could not infringe upon the free exercise of that right without proving that the state had an important state interest in regulation.
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floodberg
Attorney (ret.)
12:33 AM on 03/15/2010
CONSTITUTIONAL LAW 101 - IS HEALTH CARE A RIGHT
PT. 2 OF 2, PLEASE READ IN ORDER

Privacy is applied in cases of eavesdropping/wiretapping/cell transmissions, internet privacy, etc. It's a critical expectation to our everyday life. Similarities between the Roe scenario and health care seem pretty obvious. 200 years ago, medicine was no-tech; life was much shorter, most procedures were simple, and doctors included anyone who could write "doctor" on a shingle. Most industrialized countries have recognized this, as has the UN.

This is all from memory, folks, 25+ years later, so be nice. If you want the much longer explanation, here's the Constitutional Rights, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Constitution and a discussion of Roe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roe_v._Wade.
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10:39 PM on 03/14/2010
Why does everyone expect a handout from the government? Why does everyone believe they have a right to free healthcare?
11:23 PM on 03/14/2010
Maybe because it improves the quality of life...

Imagine going to the hospital and the first question asked is "what seems to be the problem?" rather than "do you have health insurance?".

That's the luxury people have in every other developed country that we don't.
12:25 AM on 03/15/2010
Well NOLONGERAMUSED, if there were such a thing as a Ship of Fools, you would most certainly be at the helm. Your regurgitation of that tired old Glen Beck drivel is boring, trite, and so last summer. You are a Nimrod, and we all want you to shut up. Thank you on behalf of all Thinking Americans everywhere.
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floodberg
Attorney (ret.)
10:34 PM on 03/14/2010
Both parties and houses and the President are united in following special interest money, and when PO threatened huge donations to all of them, they threw Americans under the bus. They didn't hesitate because there is no immediate consequence: email and calls are irritating, but they still have their positions, health care benefits, and all the perks money can buy. They are sure that we will all forget before they come up for re-election, but if we don't, they can play the blame card, "it's not my fault, I supported PO," "it had abortion coverage," "we didn't have the votes, so why bring it up." My personal favorite: "it would make reconciliation confusing." I'm sure it's a stumper, just like term limits, campaign reform and trying to stop your automatic pay increases (anyone remember that last one? I do).

There is a psychological element to party identification/rhetoric that is in play here. Humans are social animals: belonging to a party make us feel safer, more comfortable. Party rhetoric reinforces the desire to remain in the group; criticizing one's own party's rhetoric destroys the illusion. The Parties are praying we don't get the nerve to walk away from parties and rhetoric, that we remain too lazy to check their facts and statistics and call them on it, and our attention spans are too short to remember the utter betrayal of this.
10:15 PM on 03/14/2010
If this 2700 page sellout to the health care industry becomes the Presidents health care legacy it will be the lowest point in political treachery in our country’s history.

Passing this 2700 page bill with tweaking will not lower ever increasing costs nor will it cure the historic sins and unacceptable insurance practices of jacking up premiums, withholding or denying care, bankrupting, and killing patients.

Harsh words about health insurers said by the President will not change the facts that; this bill is a money machine for insurance companies and health care providers, and a financial disaster for consumers, employers, and taxpayers.

This bill was crafted and paid for by the healthcare industry, $600,000,000. reported so far, to yield obscene profits for them while bleeding the life blood out of helpless victims.

Were there illegal payments and deals made to facilitate these unfair schemes?

Real Public Option reforms which would save lives and save as much as a trillion dollars annually have been kept out of the health care debate by the President, Democrats, and Republicans.

Were crimes committed doing this?

If crimes are discovered, when we are able to investigate how our political process sunk so low as to allow this assault upon our families’ health and finances, we must vow to hunt down every perpetrator until each is brought to justice.

These are dastardly crimes against humanity and everyone found guilty should be forever unforgiven and forced to pay harsh consequences for their treachery.
10:24 PM on 03/14/2010
And yet the health insurance industry unanimously opposes the legislation and has spent hundreds of millions of dollars to try to sink it...

I keep hearing this nonsense about how this legislation is a windfall for the insurance industry, yet these posters overlook the one ridiculously obvious flaw in their argument.

If this is such a good deal for insurance companies, why are they all opposed to it?
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Fernando
My Micro-bio is empty? Really?
10:53 PM on 03/14/2010
They'd lose either way: it's whether they lose the house or lose even the shirt on their backs. They've pretty much killed the public option (thanks Pelosi - new leadership anyone?) and now they are opposing changes to pre-existing condition access and such, which will cost them dearly.

They've came close to killing the bill several times because the geniuses in the Democratic party allowed the GOP to frame the debate, so instead of talking about the indecent and blood-sucking tactics of the insurance companies we spent six months talking about the "death panels" nonsense.
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floodberg
Attorney (ret.)
11:21 PM on 03/14/2010
The insurers oppose the bill because most Americans do. Being in favor of it would have enforced public opinion that they are greedy and they don't care about their customers, and would have hurt the bill's chance of passage. Being in favor of it would have hurt their image and customer base.

Please, this isn't brain surgery, but politics: This entire health care debate shows levels of strategy and alliance that we've never seen before. I'm not talking really fringe ideas, these are clear bait and switch, smoke and mirrors, and (in Dodd's case vis-a-vis rform, hypocritical self-promotion to the point of hubris (yes all you history fans, I know it is only hubris if you lose but I'm optimistic).
10:41 PM on 03/14/2010
Insurers spent TENS of million--largely for show. They don't want to seem okay with reform, because Congress might ask more of them. Also they don't want to be blamed when Obamacare fails to control costs.
11:20 PM on 03/14/2010
just idle speculation...
11:33 PM on 03/14/2010
As is yours...
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Marlyn
If I'm wrong, let me know.
10:15 PM on 03/14/2010
"he may be having to compromise due to the massive obstacles that he is facing from bodies that are against health care for all."

Obama is throwing millions of Americans to the insurance wolves to keep insurance alive. Unless insurance has a new source of customers, they will go bankrupt.
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Marlyn
If I'm wrong, let me know.
10:07 PM on 03/14/2010
"With zero input from the White House" ???

I wonder why is that?

Why did President Obama say, at the beginning of this process, that the public option is not possible at this time? How did he know, a year in advance, that there would not be the votes in the Senate for the Public Option?

My guess is that he made a deal with the insurance industry before this process started, similar to GW Bush's Medicare Part D deal, a give-away to the corporations.
10:28 PM on 03/14/2010
The public option will come.

Think about it. If everyone must have insurance, there is a national minimum standard of care that a policy must offer, and anyone can buy insurance from anyone offering that minimum standard regardless of where they are based, it's only a matter of time until the first state government plan emerges... then just use you imagination to fill in what must inevitably come next.
11:31 PM on 03/14/2010
The public option will come?

States would be limited to providing insurance in the individual market only. ERISA prohibits state governments from offering plans for the vastly larger group market. Only Congress can grant an ERISA exemption--and they never have.
12:35 AM on 03/15/2010
We're on our way there...

Please, let's not delude ourselves that we live in France or the UK. We have to work with what we've got.
09:55 PM on 03/14/2010
BETRAYAL . whodunit ? Who killed the most popular part of the health bill and the only part that has a realistic possibility of making health care affordable – I know I can’t afford it for my employees right now and I don’t see premiums coming down? Just like Murder On The Orient Express , it wasn’t Nancy Pelosi, it wasn’t Obama, it wasn’t Dick Durbin, it wasn’t the two-faced lobbyists most of whom used to work FOR the people – IT WAS ALL OF THEM . The patently corrupt Washington establishment never wanted the public option because it truly would be effective and it would do what they hate most : change the status quo. Health care money wouldn’t be as plentiful for their next election; just looking at how dependent finance chairman Max Baucus is on that. They have contempt for Progressives and for an entire year have done two things : thrown a scraps from the table (Friday Rep. Elija Cummings said effectively he would take whatever scraps are thrown at him :“ I will take whatever I can get” and slap their progressive base in the face . Join the movement To support progressive candidates mounting a primary challenge against establishment democrats.
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floodberg
Attorney (ret.)
12:44 AM on 03/15/2010
Nice comment. HCR has mandatory requirements for employers to employees. It's smart business to skirt them legally. It's essential when the policies are so expensive the employer can't afford it and stay open. Public option would create strong market forces for downward movement of health insurance prices and health care costs. The question is why neither party brings this up as a positive side effect of PO. The answer - priceless.
09:13 PM on 03/14/2010
I really can't believe people here are pointing at Obama to blame in all this mess. If he is changing to something different in the health care deal. Only common sense will let you know that he may be having to compromise due to the massive obstacles that he is facing from bodies that are against health care for all. There is no way anybody with any sense can believe that Obama made a deal with Pharmaceutical companies on something that is not beneficial for us Citizens. It doesn't make sense to be viewing Obama with suspicion. We know and shouldn't pretend to forget that Lobbyist are swarming Washington and putting up a very tough battle against having anything passed on health care for citizens. Thats the great free country that we live in. The media is free to aggressively go after Tiger Woods and expose everything about his private life that people are not interested in. But things that are extremely important and interesting like reporting on exactly what the lobbyists are doing in Washington; no single media will report zilch on that. They are able to have things going on in secret in this country when they want. This is REALLY UNBELIEVABLE. I know that no other democracy in the world will allow such strange secrecies.

McCharlie
twitter: @McCharlie5
Blogs: http://newaffordablewebhosting.blogspot.com
09:42 PM on 03/14/2010
And he has to go along with them because.....why? I thought he was the President. But you're saying that the lobbyists rule. He told us a myriad times during the campaign that he wasn't going to listen to lobbyists but now that he actually has power.... But hey we're NOT supposed to be angry?!!! Lets go along with the insurance companies and their paid lackeys. They rule, afterall...well that's what you're telling us.
10:38 PM on 03/14/2010
Oh you think the delay since September 2009 is just because Obama is going along with it? Ha ha you aint heard nothing yet! His hands are tied. Lobbyists and their politics and the 100s of millions that the pay, Republicans and their votes. There is something sinister going on. Especially on the lobbyist process that they don't want us to know.

Thats why we should go back to my original comment. Why are they not reporting at all on what lobbyists are doing or how the process works?

McCharlie
twitter: @McCharlie5
Blogs: http://newaffordablewebhosting.blogspot.com
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Marlyn
If I'm wrong, let me know.
10:20 PM on 03/14/2010
"There is no way anybody with any sense can believe that Obama made a deal with Pharmaceutical companies on something that is not beneficial for us Citizens." ???

Believe it, McCharlie. Believe it!
10:31 PM on 03/14/2010
Well no I won't believe it. I doesn't make sense.
Thats not what he stands for!
He is passionate about getting this passed and that should be clear to anybody with eyes and ears.

McCharlie
twitter: @McCharlie5
Blogs: http://newaffordablewebhosting.blogspot.com
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peterg76
Freelance medical transcriptionist
08:53 PM on 03/14/2010
It seems like every day the Democrats have to work a little harder for find excuses for selling out their constitutents.
08:07 PM on 03/14/2010
Another mindless analogy. The CBO even said the PO would cost more because they said it would be just a high risk pool.
08:38 PM on 03/14/2010
Do you even know what an analogy is? It's like on the SAT--river is to stream as mountain is to X--remember? Anyway, even the weak PO is not allowed to pay providers more than other insurers pay, so it WILL help bring down costs. And the bigger it gets the more premiums will come down.
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thecornerangel
08:01 PM on 03/14/2010
The history books are going to remember that Rahm Emanuel was the lynch pin of this issue. Last week it seemed that Obama was going to pull him. Why did he do this to us? The only reason that makes any sense is that the country cannot afford to decimate 20% of the economy right now. We are still a capitalist country -- not only does the Copocracy need to make their profits, but the few remaining workers need their jobs. Just like the immigrants died building railroads and mining coal, American workers will continue to die for lack of medical care. It goes on and on...