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This week's news spotlight was captured by the judiciary, with the Senate's confirmation of Elena Kagan as the Supreme Court's 112th justice (and fourth woman), and federal judge Vaughn Walker's decision overturning California's ban on same-sex marriage. His 136-page ruling landed with the force of history being made. It felt less like a legal finding than another milestone on the road to a more perfect union -- another step in the long journey that has included the Emancipation Proclamation, the 19th amendment, Brown v. Board of Education, and the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Those who continue to oppose same-sex marriage are not just standing against the right of gays and lesbians to marry -- they are standing against the inevitable. When the case makes its way to the Supreme Court, will John Roberts' court want to position itself as a roadblock in the way of historic inevitability?

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01:52 AM on 08/09/2010
We in LGBT community MUST understand one thing and one thing only.....This debate is really not over same-sex anything, it comes down to money. Most Senators and Congressperson wether on the left or right understand that all gay couples must file single unmarried on their taxes, and as you are aware is the highest taxes an individual must pay to the government. My partner and I have been together 25 years, I work full time and he is disabled, if we were allowed to be married I could file head of household and use his disability as a factor in paying taxes. We spent money on lawyers to make sure that either of us would be protected incase of death, but when it comes to my social security, he will not be able to draw a survior's benefit, so more money for the government! I hope your getting the picture. It's just not a bunch of bigot zealots that oppose marriage or any other type of same sex union, as they alway say in the U.S. follow the money.
10:09 PM on 08/08/2010
Dear Mr. RUDE GUY.
Here is my answer. I have moved my money, (Local Credit Union) I shop only at farmers markets, or a market near, that supports locally grown foods. I am blind, so I need few lights, when it is hot, I open a window, when it is cold I close the door and put on a sweater. I only use heat on the coldest of nights and when the snow is deep. I own no cars and don’t buy gasoline. I take my walker to the store, 2 blocks away and this laptop takes less energy than a 100 watt light bulb. Most of my veggies, I raise in a community garden, about 50% of what I eat.

I have a carbon footprint smaller than a bug.

A SLAVE NO MORE!

Here,,, this song says it all.
Enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuzdTHOE67k

All the best
Knute
TR Knudtson
12:18 PM on 08/09/2010
...Hang in there "Old Knute"...we love ya !

Jim B.
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SolarPowerGuy
Ph.D., Immunology; Solar power @ home; Green Party
08:48 PM on 08/08/2010
"When the case makes its way to the Supreme Court, will John Roberts' court want to position itself as a roadblock in the way of historic inevitability?"

Is this court not more shamelessly conservative and partisan than the court which gave us Bush v. Gore?

'Nuff said.
07:50 PM on 08/08/2010
Well all know how Kagan is going to vote on the Supream Court its a matter of time when she comes out and votes the party line.
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oldfuzz
...within my mind
07:25 PM on 08/08/2010
What tickles me is the anti-gay marriage pundits who have failed so often in their own marriages. Two generations ago, when I was in school, gays and lesbians were fully encloseted. Now they can live openly, albeit discriminated by those who see a homosexual orientation as an inappropriate life choice instead of biological origin. (I imagine some gays and lesbians have chosen their sexual orientation, but those I know well enough have been so since their earliest sexual impulses.)

I am bald--'tis my natural state--and would object strenuously to anyone who demanded I wear a toupe' or have implants. Do not do unto others as you would not want them to do unto you.
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09:11 PM on 08/08/2010
I notice that some gay people think that bashing straight relationships is somehow going to help their cause. Ever heard of being graceful in victory? Or is it just so much more fun keeping the rancor going? Up to you, but there is the rest of society to live with. Maybe the name calling could stop along with the "latent" homosexual comments and bashing straight marriage. Straights have done it to you? Well, you're supposed to be right about the issue and the gay bashers are supposed to be wrong, so be big about it. The straight people who supported you will appreciate it.
09:14 PM on 08/08/2010
Failed marriages are all to often failed divorce laws, in short, no fault laws, that were enacted to "liberate" woman from "abusive" marriages. I put abusive in quotations as abuse has been construed to be just about any excuse either party can dream up. I was in school in the 60s/70s & there were known gays in school. My parents & grandparents would refer to them as "fairies" & they were known of even way back then. Nothing new has come along since. As my parents told me "Marilyn Monroe didn't invent sex", this has been dealt with culturally long before any of us were around. BTW, I presume because of your views on the biological intractability of sexual orientation you must be completely against any & all treatment for child sex offenders as this would be a complete waste of resources on something that cannot be changed-------it's their nature. Serve their time, then turn em loose, right?
09:35 PM on 08/08/2010
So, you are equating a child molester with same sex marriage - among consenting adults?! I also assume you wish a return to the days when bad marriages had to continue because of restrictive, religion based divorce laws? You really need to consider what you are saying - a true anachronism if ever one existed. Thankfully, your time is past.
10:20 PM on 08/08/2010
So, in regards to "no-fault" divorces, should the State compel individuals to live together as a family when one partner no longer wants to remain married? In the days of "fault" divorces, which I remember, one would have to have a trial to determine whether one or another party was guilty of adultery, or cruel and abusive treatment, or habitual drunkedness, etc.

I grew up on a small island, and my mother was asked to testify in an "adultery" divorce case, she refused because she knew all the family members and just didn't want to be thrown into the middle of it. Your nostalgic view of "fault" divorce laws ignores the awful consequences it had on families, communities, and innocent non-party individuals.
06:05 PM on 08/08/2010
It must be noted that the alacrity of the strides made in the gay civil rights movements can only be explained by the exercising of the " memory muscles" of the previous struggles against apartheid in the US.
That does not diminish either movements. On the contrary it has been acknowledged that we sit on the shoulders of giants.
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wuf wuf
05:27 PM on 08/08/2010
Stop calling it same-sex marriage, just call it Civil Union and every thing will be OK!

It is time to stop using "Judeo-Christian-Taliban" terminologies and put the dark ages behind us.
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adrianrf
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07:46 PM on 08/08/2010
are you intentionally missing the point?

"marriage" is a legal term, stitched into uncountable laws and contracts. that's why if you have a "civil union" or a "civil partnership" you miss out on ~1300 specific benefits that you and your SO would have access to otherwise.
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kennethhdeome
Why can't both sides be wrong?
11:18 PM on 08/08/2010
A nation of exclusivities that has screamed bloody murder over every step to the left since the British were first thrown out of power by anarchy. The king is dead, long live the government voted for and embodied by only white men of property...OOPS, make that straight white men of property.

You'd think our society was one inch from full communism the way some people have resisted the idea that fair means inclusive. If I'm going to claim a specific right under the law, I must claim it for all.

So I guess we should all incorporate ourselves, break the rules and then state it was the company in general, not us personally, who transgressed?

The Tyranny of Anarchy--destroying the rule of law for my own satisfaction thus forcing everyone to live in chaos VS. The Anarchy of Tyrants--forcing others to live under the rule of exclusive rights thus destroying the equality (balance) that keeps chaos (lack of control) at a distance.

Are we closer still to the Tyranny present prior to the American Revolution, or the slippery slope of full-on Communism?

It's kind of a trick question, because last I checked Civil Rights aren't a priority in either case.

It's also the case you don't need religious approval to get married, but you do need a civil license before any religious union is legal.

What, you don't like the term "religious union?" Why not? Sounds fair to me.
03:26 PM on 08/08/2010
Marriage is a 50,000 year old religious institution crafted to “cement” the bonds between a man and a woman for the purpose of providing a stable home for raising children. Gay marriage is meaningless. So is civil divorce...which is why religious traditionalists shun both of them. Neither marriage nor divorce belong in civil court, which only started during the Civil War. Maybe gay marriage is inevitable. But I am as content to be a dinosaur opposing gay marriage as I am to opposing the inevitability of genetically modified food and video game drone warfare. What I have watched for forty years is how, instead of achieving real improvements for working people, real economic change, real accountability from corporations, the left has been tossed doggie bones in the form of women’s rights or Latino rights or gay rights, and the REAL oppression marches steadily on. Wake up America. These social milk bones are red herrings diverting our attention from a much more evil agenda – the enslavement of the American Worker. The making of Third World Americans. I don’t care if your behind is female or Latino or gay, I wanna see it on the street protesting war and banks and insurance companies, then I will believe that your “liberation” actually amounts to something.
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ThatsTheTheWayItIs
religion, ideology, partisanship are delusional
03:51 PM on 08/08/2010
Marriage is traditionally a form of female servitude, a wife as property. That was true in the developed world until about 100 years ago. Read Jane Austen, see how much choice a woman had to marry.

In the undeveloped world, that is still true. Marriages are arranged and forced, it is not the choice of the woman.

Defending traditional marriage is like defending slavery.
05:43 PM on 08/08/2010
This is hilarious. One says that Marriage is 500 years old. One says it predates history. And the other says it's slavery. If marriage is slavery why are 19 out of 20 people who die on the job men and why are men drafted to fight war and women are not? Marriage is not slavery and never has been. It was created for the protection of women and only ignorance puffed up behind dorm room talking points could argue otherwise. The only one of you who is right is the one who says it predates history.
08:08 PM on 08/08/2010
Read "A Hard Days Life", a short read in the recent edition of the Economist about woman in Burundi Africa. Women bear chidren (not tough to understand so far), they have a nurturing protective instinct, (hey, that's just how it is), men, far to often, don't. Marriage evolved so societies could move forward without the economic drag of single motherhood & the danger of gobs of unattached males who don't own up to their responsibilities as sperm donors. Marriage, & here's where I often catch hell, is really not about the couples happiness, it's about an overall societies stability & progress. A divorced woman may feel liberated from a bad relationship, but a divorced (or single) MOTHER is hardly "liberated" & far to often is a drag on societies resources at the same time the aforementioned DNA donor is off to his next series of conquests. The biggest lie/scam of the past 50 years has been "no fault" divorce laws, it's really "no responsibility" laws for men. Read Jane Austen? How about "Read statistics on the black family". There's a culture that has come close to ridding itself of the scourge of traditional marriage. But just ask & I'll bet a whole bunch of those woman wouldn't give their eye teeth to have a good, stable father live up to his responsibilities & that------is what marriage, in its purest form, should legally codify & enforce.
04:00 PM on 08/08/2010
Your definition of marriage is at odds with the historical record. It predates recorded history, so arguing over it's inception is a fool's errand.
So you are suggesting that people should fight for your causes, before you will legitimize theirs? That's a bit petty, don't ya think? I could tell you the same thing. Strangely enough though, I absolutely agree with your assessment of the past 40 years. I have protested both wars. Insurance companies are the root of all evil in this country IMO. The American worker is definitely overworked and underpaid, especially compared to our European counterparts. Genetically modified food freaks me out too, and video game drone warfare is despicable to me. (But at least we and the Japanese are the best at it.)
None of my various political causes however prevent me from demanding to be treated equally under the law. I'm not advocating for special rights or even your approval. I just want the government to treat my relationship like it treats yours.
05:43 PM on 08/08/2010
This is hilarious. One says that Marriage is 500 years old. One says it predates history. And the other says it's slavery. If marriage is slavery why are 19 out of 20 people who die on the job men and why are men drafted to fight war and women are not? Marriage is not slavery and never has been. It was created for the protection of women and only ignorance puffed up behind dorm room talking points could argue otherwise. The only one of you who is right is the one who says it predates history.
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03:20 PM on 08/08/2010
How about equal rights for the nonmarried? If gay couples are discriminated against and denied privileges given to heterosexual couples, where does that leave the nonmarried citizens. A piece of paper does not make heterosexual or heterosexual couples morally superior to the nonmarried. By conferring advantages to married couples the state is automatically discriminating against and creating an underclass of the nonmarried. It is clearly a violation of equal protection under the law guaranteed by the 14th Amendment. Any advantage under the law afforded married couples should also be afforded to non married couples and those who simply pay taxes for the advantage of the married.

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ThatsTheTheWayItIs
religion, ideology, partisanship are delusional
03:55 PM on 08/08/2010
YES! I've said the same, usually don't get a lot of positive replies.

We need a law that prohibits discrimination on the basis of marital status. No extra SS benefits, no tax breaks, all of that stuff. If you look at each one, there is a way to solve the same problems without marriage. For example, hospital visitation rights: who says you get more visitors because you're married or have a bigger family? Why not say 10 visitors per patient, he/she gets to choose?

I believe Swedish law is pretty much like this. There is no legal discrimination against unwed mothers or their children for example, no difference between married and unmarried couples.
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swimbiker
05:42 PM on 08/08/2010
A lot of those marriage benefits have gone by the wayside lately. Hospital visitation is not based on marriage. Get a grip!
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AnitaMan
Deep down I'm really very shallow
03:59 PM on 08/08/2010
that's a separate different issue that may be valid....but that's not the issue on the table.
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RedRat
Ignorance is fixable, stupidty is forever
03:20 PM on 08/08/2010
I couldn't agree more. However, Walker's judgment must now be sustained by the U.S. Supreme Court after it passes through the 9th Circuit. If the U.S. Supreme Court overturns the ruling then it goes to the trash heap of history. A great idea, but destroyed by small minds. That particular trash heap is not small. I hope that the Roberts Court does not overturn it, but I am not all that confident.
05:20 PM on 08/08/2010
Yes RedRat,

I worry too, about the Roberts Court.

Roberts argued with Elena Kagan, if she thought it was the responsibility of the Court to see to it that the American Citizenry was to be protected by a “Paternal-Like” oversight of financial institutions?

I thought to myself at the time,,, “Oh NO! Justice Roberts”. “Let’s just let the RICH and the POWERFUL and Corporations, do what ever they like without punishment, oversight, protections or punitive damages, while they bend the MOST VULNERABLE of our society over the BENCH and take whatever they want with TOTAL impunity”.

It would seem that Roberts might try to go back to the old sodomy laws. Well, unless it is “Corporate Sodomy” that is in question, that would probably be,,, OK!

All the best
Knute
TR Knudtson
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dim
one in a can
05:39 PM on 08/08/2010
The idea won't be destroyed any more than in the case of the infamous Dred Scott decision.
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Silas Kain
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03:17 PM on 08/08/2010
The pairing of two people for the purpose of procreation isn't necessarily marriage -- it's less. It's instinctual. The pairing of two people for the purpose of creating a household is business. The leaders of religions created an institution to codify such unions. It isn't necessarily a direct Divine Directive. Did God send down an angel to perform the wedding of Adam and Eve? We need to get real as we evolve.

I don't diminish the sacredness of marriage. When a man and woman discover each other, fall in love and form a union -- it's positively beautiful - even spiritual. That being said, the respect for the "sanctity" of marriage has decayed in the last 50 years. Divorce has become commonplace. The vows of marriage virtually meaningless. That speaks to the greater issue. Many of the far right leadership have been married, divorced, remarried. While they wave the Christian banner, they themselves violated their own marriage vows along the way. Enough pontificating. When TWO people -- regardless of gender -- discover each other and want to form that union so be it. And let's apply standards in an homogeneous fashion. When two people marry, make it difficult to dissolve the same. Marriage must not be a disposable commodity, even among same sex couples.
07:57 PM on 08/08/2010
The only advantage of gay marriage is that it will cut down on gay male promiscuity.
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one in a can
08:11 PM on 08/08/2010
Formalizing in law what's already happening in practice won't have an appreciable effect in this regard.
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adrianrf
Another job-creating immigrant
09:02 PM on 08/08/2010
riiiiiight.
because that's made such a difference for heteros.
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ThatsTheTheWayItIs
religion, ideology, partisanship are delusional
03:14 PM on 08/08/2010
If we had enough soldiers, we would have already gone to war with Iran.

Fortunately we have a volunteer army, and too few recruits to fight the existing wars without using Reserves and over-extended deployments.

So, why are we so anxious to give the Army more soldiers? More soldiers mean more wars.

We should "starve the beast", not feed it. The fewer soldiers, gay or straight, the better.
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PDaddy2
Re-incarnation of Max Headroom
03:11 PM on 08/08/2010
Oh, yes, most straight Americans DO believe that marriage IS a sacred institution not to be disturbed or trifled with and so are up in arms about the notion that it should be open to same sex couples. Mostly white heterosexual males are in support of marriage inequality.

If the institution of marriage is so precious to them then why don't they outlaw divorce? What's the divorce rate these days; 50, 60%? How about all the spousal abuse (men beating on women)? Or child abuse that takes place in the homes of these sacredly married ones?

If you really hate homosexuals why not MAKE THEM get married (at least once)? That and join the Army.

It's all about state sanctioned superiority: heteros over gays, men over women, whites over everybody else.

Anyway we got a war with Iran to get ready for. No time to waist on love, for Christs' sake.
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ThatsTheTheWayItIs
religion, ideology, partisanship are delusional
03:59 PM on 08/08/2010
Whether or not you are a "white heterosexual male", you are not qualified to state whether we support marriage equality, and I think you will find polls prove you wrong.

As to war with Iran, the only reason it hasn't already happened, and won't happen, is because we have a volunteer army and can't get enough recruits to fight the wars we have.

On the other hand, the more soldiers available to the Army, the more likely war is. So I would suggest that pushing for more gays in the military is a bad idea. We need to "starve the beast", not give it more cannon fodder, gay or straight.
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PDaddy2
Re-incarnation of Max Headroom
08:18 PM on 08/08/2010
Well I did check Pew for numbers to support my outrageous claim but only came up with some partial numbers (and not broken down by gender). The largest group opposed to same sex marriage are white evangelicals by 66%. Mainline faiths are reported to only be 47% opposed so you may be right; the problem is more centered in the extremists although I still submit most extremists today are white (Tea Party Patriots).

And yes we should leave Afghanistan now and Iraq as well and clearly state we do NOT support an Israeli air attack on Iran (Period).

Call me a peace nut.
02:33 PM on 08/08/2010
beyond the supreme court is not- man- made law ; that which runs th body , biosphere , universe and every thought in the brain via millions of laws of nature from organic level to cellular to molecular to atomic to quantum field to unified field level ; nothing is outside of the range of laws of nature

what of those thoughts which we know ahve caused problems if nothing is outside the range of laws of nature then no thought can violate any laws of nature no crime no sickness no problem would exist

assuming that the purpose of the universe is no problems ; peopel who beleif in God must beleif in perfection

problems are the result of violations of natural law [ 333 000 000 books to follow about nuances; simply put the fact that humans ha ve violated the inviolable proves that man is made in the image of God but lacking the full intelligence of god] laws of nature are invincible and inviolable e.g. gravity

if they are violated then the result is stress [ entropy , humpty dumpty] which accumalates into sickness , hatred , conflicts ......

making man in man's image [ human shortcomings ] is not a solution ; dwelling only in manmade laws is making things worse

gravity, electromagnetism [ including photons in the brain] , strong, weak force, biochemical laws [ including neurotransmitters ] laws of thermodynamics etc
are not manmade laws

conclusion to follow
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swimbiker
05:48 PM on 08/08/2010
please refrain yourself.
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02:16 PM on 08/08/2010
That is exactly the problem with leadership. The choices made in regard to position, responsibility and enforcement of any personal convictions over the representation of your constituents. We know what is right -collectively- and how we must eventually decide to address inequality, on all levels. I agree AH, it is inevitable, well said.