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On May 5, Will Birthers Be Asked for a Show of Hands?

Posted: 04/ 3/11 07:05 PM ET

The first Republican debate of the 2008 presidential campaign, held on May 3, 2007, at the Reagan Library in California, is primarily remembered for one question. Moderator Jim VandeHei of Politico -- the debate was co-sponsored by the then-startup online publication and NBC -- asked Sen. John McCain whether he believed in evolution. Then, turning to the entire panel, VandeHei asked any candidates who did not believe in evolution to raise their hands.

Three acquiesced (former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, former Kansas Sen. Sam Brownback and former Colorado Rep. Tom Tancredo). The moment passed without great fanfare, but was still an embarrassment to Republicans. Brownback felt compelled, in an attempt at damage control, to pen hastily-written New York Times op-ed on the topic. The next morning, Huckabee elaborated by explaining to reporters: "If you want to believe that you and your family came from apes, that's fine. I'll accept that. I just don't happen to think that I did."

But mainly, the incident proved more troublesome for those candidates who did not raise their hands. Christian Broadcasting News (CBN) immediately pestered Mitt Romney for a clarification. "Some Evangelicals already have concerns about Romney's Mormon faith," explained CBN senior correspondent David Brody. "He needs support from Evangelicals to win. That's why this issue is an important one that needs to be cleared up. I don't think this is an issue that Romney can avoid. I believe his views need to be clear."

With the first GOP debate of the 2012 campaign cycle scheduled for May 5, it's fair to wonder if a similar inquiry will send presidential hopefuls scrambling. With Donald Trump still considering a run for the White House, his new pet issue -- President Obama's place of birth -- suddenly has a prominence not seen since the first Tea Party rumblings of 2009. And given that the current season Trump's reality television program is not set to end until late May, it's fair to assume that Trump's flirtations with a presidential candidacy will not abate before that May 5 debate.

On March 17, Trump remarked on how "strange" it was that no one knew anything about Obama's youth. "If I got the nomination, if I decide to run, you may go back and interview people from my kindergarten," Trump said. "They'll remember me. Nobody comes forward. Nobody knows who he is until later in his life. It's very strange. The whole thing is very strange."

A google search would have turned up interviews both with Obama's kindergarten teacher and a classmate. Days later, Trump made waves by purporting to release a copy of his official birth certificate to a conservative news outlet, in order to prove how easy it would be for the President to do so. The only problem? The document Trump produced was a legally irrelevant souvenir produced by a hospital, and not an official government document. Unchastened, Trump produced such a document the next day -- a task Obama accomplished four years ago.

But even if his utterances lack sense, they still create noise -- and waves. What happens if 2012 GOP hopefuls are asked to raise their hands if they have any doubts about Obama's birthplace?

Much like 2007's evolution query, there's a greater potential for backlash for candidates providing the "correct" answer. Recent polling suggests that the majority of GOP primary voters doubt Obama's natural-born status. As of now, conservatives lack a single candidate to coalesce around -- or uniformly oppose. If a candidate without established right-wing bona fides, however, were to be perceived as dismissing a movement that represents a significant cross-section of the Republican Party, how would that affect their campaign? Haley Barbour has a long enough record to potentially get away with shunning the birthers, but what about Mitt Romney or Tim Pawlenty? And if there is a candidate willing to take a lonely stand on the issue, how would that affect donations from the Party base? Michele Bachmann, already raising more money than Romney in the first quarter of 2011, has demonstrated the disproportionate role true believers can have on the financial landscape.

A Sunday New York Times article points out that Trump's flirtations with presidential campaigns have, to this point, always ended with Trump leaving the field once he managed to sell enough books or gin up enough attention. This year, however, that may be irrelevant. Trump's March madness may have already shifted the race. Ultimately, Trump's greatest impact on the Republican campaign may be what he forces others to say.

 
The first Republican debate of the 2008 presidential campaign, held on May 3, 2007, at the Reagan Library in California, is primarily remembered for one question. Moderator Jim VandeHei of Politico --...
The first Republican debate of the 2008 presidential campaign, held on May 3, 2007, at the Reagan Library in California, is primarily remembered for one question. Moderator Jim VandeHei of Politico --...
 
 
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04:20 PM on 04/05/2011
Still? This is only Tea Bagger thinking now. And we know how credi
03:59 PM on 04/05/2011
I love the birther conversation -- gets the left so aggressive because they know they are on shaky ground.

There is a simple explanation to why people question Obama's birthplace.

First -- his father is not a US citizen.
Second -- there are relatives of Obama's that claim he was born in Kenya

Third -- after 2 years -- NO ONE HAS PRODUCED A BIRTH CERTIFICATE. And for those of you playing at home...a certificate of live birth is not the same as a birth certificate.
Four -- can anyone name the doctor that performed the birth?
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Mediorite
boom.
04:17 PM on 04/05/2011
Even KarlRove thinks you'reCrazy.
06:40 PM on 04/05/2011
Take your pills and get a nap. You'll feel better. And maybe your meds might get you in touch with reality.
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Mike G NYC
03:43 PM on 04/05/2011
Seriously. Any republican candidate who expresses any doubt about Obama's birth qualification for the Presidency should be disqualified from running.
04:25 AM on 04/05/2011
I am not a birther. I am sure that Obama was born in Hawaii. I am sure that he is a devout Christian and when he says "God Bless America" he really means it.

But why the secrecy about his birth certificate? If you apply for a drivers license for the first time in Virginia, you have to show a birth certificate or immigration papers. Surely candidates for president should ahve to show that much - to show they are constituionally elligible to be elected.

It shoud only be a formality.

Why are people even havign questions about his place of birth and his religion?
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GHARDY
11:02 AM on 04/05/2011
DANGER, Will Robinson anytime some starts a sentence with I am not a -----------, fill in the blank, it's not a good sign.

Examples:

I am not a witch.
I am not a cheat, I'm a patriot.
I am not a crook
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OhCaptain
Go through that door...and you go into the Asylum.
01:04 PM on 04/05/2011
Jan may not be a birther, but s/he certainly plays one on TV.
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imb4me
12:20 PM on 04/05/2011
There is no secrecy about his birth whatsoever!
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mivogo
Single standard truth and democracy
01:01 AM on 04/05/2011
I think the moderator should start with "Do you believe the Earth is flat?" and go from there.

www.newyorkgritty.net
04:26 AM on 04/05/2011
We have proof that the earth is a globe.

If a newspaper birth announcement is proof, why not show the birth certificate and end all this nonsense once and for all?
04:50 AM on 04/05/2011
He did
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kuklamou
and this too shall pass
09:13 AM on 04/05/2011
It has been available on the internet for 3 years. You birthers are idiots.
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Allen Jenkins
Virtual Ferroequinologist
12:08 AM on 04/05/2011
It will be recorded in History how the question of President Obama's birth certificate remained a mystery for so long......
06:59 PM on 04/05/2011
No it won't. It'll be recorded in history why so many Americans are batpoo crazy. The answer is easy. Racism.
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Allen Jenkins
Virtual Ferroequinologist
09:12 PM on 04/05/2011
Not! You went completely over the topic.

All presidential candidates are subject to this matter...why did it take so long for any verification?

It could just as easily be said he was allowed entrance based on his race alone...that is racist.

Merely questioning why the rules don't apply to him is not racist. It is for this reason alone that I don't give the matter much thought. I take him as he is. Gladly.
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Barbara DeZan
Knowledge is Power
10:10 PM on 04/04/2011
Not to make a big deal out of nothing...but, the 1st Repub. debate at the Reagan library has been cancelled. No candidates:

Awful news out of Washington: The first scheduled debate of the 2012 presidential campaign has been pushed back to September. Politico and NBC were joining forces to host the campaign kickoff May 2 at the Ronald Reagan library, with Brian Williams and Politico editor John Harris moderating. The debate was announced last November, with the date officially set in January. But it's nearly April, and our only official candidate is... Fred Karger. (My fave!) Oh, and maybe Jimmy McMillan.

Tim Pawlenty has an exploratory committee, giving the Republican party a grand total of one serious presidential candidate. Newt Gingrich and Michele Bachmann are expected to announce the formation of their own committees later. Maybe.

What's missing is any viable candidate at all. Imagine out of the 20 plus who have threatened...which would be qualified to hold the highest office on the planet.

Answer: none.
01:06 AM on 04/05/2011
What about Jimmy McMillan? At least he looks like President. And the rent is too damn high.
04:07 PM on 04/05/2011
Everyone of the potential candidates on the GOP side have more experience than Obama had in 2008
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Rick Ayers
08:50 PM on 04/04/2011
I've got (what I believe) are a few pertinent questions:
1). Can any of these birthers, and the Republicans who love them, prove that they are of this Earth?
2). Why is it, that many of the Republican leadership (who generally, have prestigous academic backgrounds) come-off as being more backwards, than the hicks, and small-town supporters, from rural America, whose support they manage to squander, and mis-handle, in every election?

3). Why does it take these birthers so long, to figure out, that this whole issue was brought-up, during the Democratic primary, by Democratic candidates, who ran against Obama? Doesn't it occur to them, that if it could have been used by the Dems, back then, they would have done so?
4). Doesn't anyone see the real reason why Donald Trump is running for president, on the Republican ticket? After all, he perfectly fits the mold: he's a rich, aging, angry White man, who is afraid of being out-dated.
04:28 AM on 04/05/2011
1. I am not a birther but I can prove my birth place and date. I showed my birth certificate to get a passport.

Didn't Obama have to show his birth certificate to get his passport to go to Pakistan when he was a teen?
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TwinX
Avast Ye, Birthers!
06:26 AM on 04/05/2011
"I can prove my birth place and date"

As did Obama - the first Presidential candidate in history to do so publically.

President Obama 's current Passport states his birthplace as Hawaii. He's had a US issued Passport since he was 6, and 'place of birth' never changes on a Passport.

How do you think he got it?

Why will no birther I address this question to even *attempt* to answer it?
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imb4me
12:22 PM on 04/05/2011
President Obama can also prove his birth place and date. He already has.
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kaykaythere
Game of Global ThermoNuclear NukeATroll anyone?
08:20 PM on 04/04/2011
Silly little Donald should be worried about the most important part of HIS becoming President. Where the heck will he get a rug for the oval office that doesn't clash with the one on his head? Makes ya think don't it.
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kuklamou
and this too shall pass
09:16 AM on 04/05/2011
Kay, thank you, thank you for the laugh. I just spit tea all over my keyboard. Already a fan, here is a fav.
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kat momma
progressive vegan peace
08:19 PM on 04/04/2011
Someone please hide Trump. He is an embarassment to himself and his party. President Obama clearly does not take orders from him and needs to prove nothing to Trump and other birther wingnuts.
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champions1
Champion
06:21 PM on 04/04/2011
REPEAT REPEAT REPEAT. THIS DESERVES TO BE REPEATED......of a "birthplac­e test" for the presidency ... how about if we have an I.Q. test? And ... while we're at it ... let's place the minimum requiremen­t at 120. If we did that ... it's my opinion that the current crop of GOP "wannabe candidates­" would drop to only one or two ... and no one would have to listen to the endless "Norm Crosbyisms­" of clowns like Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachmann, et al, being endlessly broadcast on MSNBC, FOX and untold partisan websites (like this one).

Donald Trump, among many other high impression­s he has of himself, fancies himself an intellectu­al stalwart ... but he certainly doesn't sound like one. Same for John Kasich, Rick Scott, Chris Christie, etc. If "birthplac­e" is a significan­t determinan­t of who can be president ... then, most certainly, INTELLIGEN­CE should be another, wouldn't you say?
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stryker
06:16 PM on 04/04/2011
Majority of republicans question Obama's birth in the US? Proves how dumb republicans are. They'll swallow anything some yokel tells them.
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ausmth
All things merge into one and a river runs through
06:27 PM on 04/04/2011
Chris Matthews is hardly a Republican. Even he wonders why the president won't end the nonsense. I wish he would end this quickly and start pushing his debt commission report into legislation. So much for being a different politician. Already started the '12 campaign. I won't vote for him but would like to see him lead on the debt commission recommendations. He will always have the left in his camp but he will lose the center and independents if he keeps this up. He stands a good chance of losing to a Republican lightweight if he keeps this up!
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BeVeryAfraid
Epistemophobia is treatable my little 0 fan poster
07:35 PM on 04/04/2011
It's what Bill Clinton said:  Why step in the way of someone shooting themselves in the foot!
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Barbara DeZan
Knowledge is Power
10:15 PM on 04/04/2011
Considering the President has had to deal with the do-nothing Repubs in the House, he's done remarkably well.

They have blocked EVERY piece of legislation in the Senate with filibuster..over 400...most of which are the foundation for Obama and the Democrats recovery program, debt reduction and much else.

Don't like what Obama has done? Look to Boehner and the Repub teabagger masters.
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ausmth
All things merge into one and a river runs through
05:58 PM on 04/04/2011
He should show it just to shut up the birthers. I am more concerned about his lack of experience. It has shown up big time lately. Too bad Hill didn't get the nomination!
12:14 AM on 04/05/2011
OMG!!! Where have you been?

Obama's birth certificate has been shown hundreds of times... On a slew of TV news programs, news magazines and a zillion websites!

John Cheney 88
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SPQR1775
05:45 PM on 04/04/2011
For better or for worst the GOP will not have a candidate worthy of the Presidency. He or she will not get elected because they think the President is a citizen and should be shown RESPECT like the previous 43 priors. Or they will be rooted out for their out landish belief that he is anything but a citizen, which discredits Hawaiians and any minority or person from a different ethnicity or culture in America. America is a nation of nations and does not belong to any group save the Native Americans so the GOP is already lost the nation when they won in 2010, that will be the last grand stand for the Grand Ole White Party. The end is very near for the GOP!
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swimbiker
06:04 PM on 04/04/2011
fanned for a realistic assessment of their problem.
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ZeraLee
A Citizen's View from Main Street
04:39 PM on 04/04/2011
On May 5th, they will talk about the spate of republican immigration laws, then go out and celebrate Cinco de Mayo. They will hoist their hands and slug down a few foreign brews, like Dos Equis or Budweiser, and talk about how they are building a more perfect Union.
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champions1
Champion
06:01 PM on 04/04/2011
PABLO 175 ....EVERYONE KNOWS WHERE HE WENT TO COLLEGE....If you don't then look it up