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Who's Afraid of Muslim Women Exercising?

Posted: 07/26/2012 1:15 pm

Co-authored with Adina Batnitzky.

Imagine this scenario: a group of women in southern California ask their local YMCA for an extra swim class. The YMCA would have to stay open a bit later than usual, but it happily obliges. It is summer, and the women, who are content to pay for the class, are eager to use this opportunity to improve their health. For many of them, it will even be their first time in the pool.

Why did they ask for this class in the first place? Perhaps their work schedule prohibits them from finding another suitable time. Perhaps they are shy and prefer not to swim around other people, even men. Perhaps this is a unique opportunity for the women in the community to bond together. Any of those reasons would have probably been met with widespread approval or even indifference. None would have sparked the outcry that this class did.

When a San Diego YMCA recently set up an extra swim class for a group of East African Muslim women, it caused an unprecedented backlash. The women who requested this class sought a safe space to exercise without men around -- in a way that would honor their Muslim faith and their personal traditions of modesty.

The website Jihad Watch called the class "racist" and likened it to "all-white swimming hours."

In local outlets, some said it foreshadowed an Islamic "takeover" of our society. Some said the "Y" was sustaining practices, such as veiling, that are supposedly deleterious to women. Others claimed these women should be assimilated not accommodated. For the first time in its history, the website for PBS's local television station cut off all comments.

But such distorted talk about Islam distracts from the matter at hand. This is a public health issue, and if the women were from any other background or religious faith, this controversy would not exist. This swim class should be applauded, promoted and even extended to other communities.

Public health officials are increasingly talking about ways to get people moving in our country. Michelle Obama has helped make promoting exercise and combating obesity a top national concern. But our one-size-fits-all approach to health needs some alterations.

Americans tend to be sympathetic to economic explanations for a lack of physical activity (say, people can't afford gym memberships or don't have the time to exercise because of their busy work schedule). But we have a harder time grappling with cultural norms that might prevent exercise.

The East African community requesting this class is a community with high rates of hypertension and diabetes. Shouldn't we be celebrating their efforts to actively improve their health through exercise?

Research among Muslims in the Arab world (conducted by Adina Batnitzky) has shown that women have higher rates of obesity than men precisely because they rarely have culturally appropriate spaces for exercise. And when such places do exist, they are reserved largely for the upper class.

Isn't it a testament to America that Muslim women of any socioeconomic status can find or even create suitable spaces for exercise here? Even more remarkable is that they are doing this at the Young Men's Christian Association. Our forefathers, who traveled here to practice their faith in the way they wanted, would be proud.

Some of the most perverse comments suggested that these Muslim women only requested this class because they were being "brainwashed" or "controlled" by their husbands. Why else, this line of thinking goes, would they not want to exercise around men? But many women prefer to exercise only around other women. In fact, all-women's gyms dot the country with very little objection. (Curves is the most famous.) And this class at the "Y" is open to all women, regardless of whether or not they are Muslim.

Public health officials should learn from these women. We are slowly recognizing the need to take patients' backgrounds into consideration when it comes to health care delivery. But we need to do the same when it comes to preventing poor health. More communities should be implementing culturally specific exercise classes, especially for immigrants and ethnic minority groups with higher risks of lifestyle-related diseases.

The women at this YMCA are honoring both their background and their need for better health. That is just the type of thing that will get all Americans moving.

A modified version of this piece appeared in the San Diego Union Tribune. Adina Batnitzky is an assistant professor of sociology at the University of San Diego. Avi Spiegel is an assistant professor of political science and international relations at the University of San Diego and a Fellow at the Strauss Center for International Security and Law.

 
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03:18 PM on 08/26/2012
For some reason, I keep coming across articles of benighted Westerners who consider themselves 'progressive' but are willing to enforce Islamic gender apartheid in the West. Again, Avi and Adina will be stoked to learn that a New Zealand art gallery is banning men from viewing a documentary about Muslim women.

Is this world the both of you are hoping for?

http://gulfnews.com/news/world/other-world/men-banned-from-seeing-video-of-muslim-women-1.1065721
09:42 PM on 08/16/2012
I know that this thread is somewhat old, but I came across the news that Saudi Arabia is now planning women-only cities. the authors of this article and their supporters must be falling over themselves with sheer joy at the possibility of women-only 'bantustans' popping up in the Muslim world. Is it 'islamophobic' to not accommodate this type of gender segregation? Whose afraid of Muslim women leaving in complete gender apartheid? Apparently, not Avi Spiegal, he seems to believe separation and apartheid are progressive and 'liberating'.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/aug/13/saudi-arabia-women-only-city
05:23 PM on 08/06/2012
Some of you commenters really don't seem to grasp the difference between discrimination and accomodation. The way you assert these women shouldn't be able to have the OPTION (not requirement - one of the major distinctions) to exercise in what they consider a safe environment, simply because their beliefs and/or culture are not the same as yours - that sounds more like discrimination to me. Women and men have separate locker rooms and restrooms, based on what is considered in this country to be a reasonable amount of privacy and modesty. No one is being forced to attend these classes, and since it (sounds like from the article) takes place after normal hours, no men are losing any significant access.

Whether you like it or not, the world's peoples and cultures will always be intertwined and intermingled, and if you don't like that - perhaps you'd be more comfortable in one of the few mostly isolated countries in existence, like North Korea?
03:59 PM on 08/08/2012
White racists have beliefs of racial separation, is it racist in your opinion to not accommodate these beliefs.

The separate bathrooms trope is perhaps the worst of all arguments. We allow sexes to be separate in bathrooms because these are areas of complete nudity. There is no rational reason to use this reason to extend gender apartheid to workout areas and swimming pools - areas that require clothing.

Also, Muslims in Britain have succeeding in obtaining child play parks where men are banned.

http://zeenews.india.com/news/world/uk-play-centre-bans-dads-to-avoid-offending-muslim_792408.html
01:00 PM on 08/06/2012
So go to an women-only gym. Or seek the solution from the community that imposes the restrictions. Maybe it's time for a mega-mosque cultural center in San Diego with women-only pool hours. Does the cultural center in New York at the Burlington Coat Factory address provide such accomodation?
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09:29 PM on 08/05/2012
Musim men are afraid of Muslim women exercising.
01:34 AM on 08/04/2012
If I am to understand this article - it is o.k. to suspend Constitutional and statutorial protections for equality of treatment if it helps Muslim women exercise because their men are too intolerant to let them integrate with the rest of society.

I would like to be on the record that this is a horrible idea. Integrate and join the rest of us - brown, white, black, native American, Hindu, Sikh, etc. in the pool. Let's not try and create special rules for Muslims.
01:01 PM on 08/06/2012
Faved and first fan.
02:16 AM on 08/02/2012
Too many grey areas. How old does a boy have to be to become a man. What about gay men? What about transgender? Are they ok with lesbians staring sexually at their flesh. Are the staff and lifeguards all women? The sounds like the thin end of the wedge. back to segregation based upon sexuality, race and religion. I can understand women's gyms as things can get bouncy and unflattering. But swimming your mostly under the water...... But at least it's the women asking for it. Not the other people asking for them to have their own day and to keep them away from our children lol. While we are here Can we get our men's clubs back then as well. Need a palace to get away from the girls for a few hours without them judging us and leering
07:24 PM on 07/30/2012
It is wrong to discriminate against employees based on their gender. Presumably, the Y will only use women during these hours, thus the male employees are being discriminated against. What makes the U.S. great is that we are striving towards a more equal system, not one like Iran or Saudi Arabia where women are second-class citizens.

Please do not pull the U.S. back in time to accommodate retrograde religious views that seek to hide women. There is nothing wrong or 'hateful' about criticizing backwards and misogynistic thought systems.
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11:35 AM on 07/30/2012
I did school photography for a while and there was an incident where a young (14-15) year old Muslim girl asked us (very politely I might add) if she could please have the female photographer (me) take her photo due to her beliefs. I overheard the woman who was doing all the paperwork for the photographers tell this young woman-"You get who you get-this is America and if you don't like it, go back where you came from." It was appalling-a grown woman speaking to a child that way, bringing the girl very close to tears. I intervened and happily took her photo. She quietly informed me that she "came from" Chicago. It so sad that people have to instantly revert to being frightened and hateful when it comes to differences.
07:24 PM on 07/30/2012
True, but we don't have to accommodate Islamic gender discrimination either.
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08:49 AM on 07/31/2012
I think it's commendable to be concerned for these women's autonomy but that includes respecting their beliefs. And the article did say that all women were welcome to join the class. It seems like the YMCA is trying to serve the community it's located in.
09:36 PM on 07/29/2012
Please correct the typo in my prior post. I meant "customs" not "customers"
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10:07 AM on 07/29/2012
The YMCA is an acronym for Young Mens' Christain Association (Likewise the YWCA for "women"). It is for them to decide how and when they wish to conduct their classes and apparently they decided to do so in the most Christain way in can imagine. As much as I prefer for cultures to assimilate and as much as I don't like the tenets of a religion that I personally feel degrades and subjugates women (and yes I have to agree that the requirement to be covered is a manifestation of that subjugation), I believe that the YMCA has the right just as a matter of liberty but also as a matter of morals to extend this class to these women. I believe it is the Christain thing to do and for that it should be celebrated.
03:54 AM on 07/30/2012
the ymca was in a catch 22 situation, they decided to go the christian way that's all
01:57 PM on 07/28/2012
I'm sorry, but I can't agree with this. It is simply extending the basis for keeping these women covered from head to toe: because their men can't control themselves when they see an arm or leg. What's so special about our American males, European males etc that they can restrain themselves or pay the consequences of inappropriate behavior? No provisions are made in the muslim world for us and our bikinis are they? And we know what happens when a female reporter shows up in a muslim country to cover a story. We also see what's going on in the Scandinavian countries when natives walk down their own streets dressed the way they want. This concession is just another in the line of demands made in the name of Islam to extend their way of life into the "norm" of American society. They need to make the adjustment or open their own private pool. I've watched this happen at universities as well, special foot baths, special curtains in the gym, special hours for the girls to swim, special, special, special. Who do you think is paying for all that?
03:57 AM on 07/30/2012
special, special, special, yup they are special people as for the rest of us we have to be killed, converted or made to pay special tax (though not in that order)
04:51 PM on 07/27/2012
"And this class at the "Y" is open to all women, regardless of whether or not they are Muslim."

'nuff said. All the rest is just hate.
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04:00 PM on 07/27/2012
Why no backlash against women only gyms then?
01:08 PM on 08/06/2012
Capitalism. A women-only gym addresses niche needs and survives or collapses in the market: people vote with their feet and their money. It might be more appropriate for the niche culture to address and meet its own needs.
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03:21 PM on 07/27/2012
Nobody's afraid of Muslim women exercising. They're afraid to exercise with *us*.

If they had built a private swimming pool just for themselves this would go unnoticed. Instead, they're asking to partially privatize a public facility so they can keep the rest of the public away from them, which invites public comment.

What they're doing isn't illegal, and I myself would not try to stop them. But I don't think it's healthy. They're ghettoizing themselves and no good can come of it. Separate but equal is not equal.

We've made it illegal for the majority to forcibly segregate minorities, but ironically now we see minorities voluntarily segregating themselves. That's their right, but I think it's bad public policy to encourage it. We should instead urge them to integrate with us, become part of our culture, and uphold its core values like equality of the sexes.

In our cultural swimming pool the water is great -- please join us! But don't ask us to get out of the pool or cordon off part of it so you can swim without us. Segregation is a part of American history we're trying to put behind us.