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Follow the French: Say Adieu to "Miss"

Posted: 02/23/2012 9:29 am

Mon Dieu! The French government officially bid adieu to the term "Mademoiselle." Yay!

According to the New York Times, Prime Minister Francois Fillon ordered the honorific -- akin to "damsel" and the equivalent of "miss" -- banished from official forms and registries. French feminist groups are hoping the term will be dropped in the private sector, too, and fall out of favor with the French people.

In Germany, it used to be that "Fraulein" (the equivalent of "Miss" in the U.S.) was used for any woman who was unmarried, regardless of age. "Frau" (Mrs.) was reserved for married women only. Therefore, a woman who was 80 and unmarried would still be referred to as Fraulein, which was viewed by many as insensitive and condescending.

Not that long ago, though, Germany adopted a new standard for how women are to be addressed: All women, regardless of age or marital status are now referred to as Frau. It's not a written law, per se, but it has become part of the collective consciousness of the German people, and the standard.

Why can't the United States figure this out?

This isn't a new question. As a society, we started questioning the use of Mrs. and Miss to address women in the 1960s when Gloria Steinem adopted Ms. for her magazine and promoted the concept of Ms. as a title for women. It was then that the whole discussion heated up and started to really percolate. Ms. became an acceptable salutation for all women, but the question I am raising here is this: Why do we continue to use three?

Not really knowing the current status of the debate, I was eager to get a handle on how things had progressed since the 1960s. I googled "Ms. vs. Mrs." and a few things came up (including an abundance of information on Mississippi and Multiple Sclerosis). One search result was a short interview with Alma Graham, who, in 1972, had the distinction of being the first lexicographer to put Ms. into a dictionary, and who offered a concise explanation of how Ms. came to be.

Next, I read an article that was part of Time magazine's 2009 "The State of the American Woman" special report, by a writer who starts by letting the reader know how unsure she is about whether she's a Mrs. or a Ms., and ends it by declaring that it's okay not to care.

And there's not been too much written about it since, at least according to Google.

Have we just collectively given up the cause? Do we, like the Time magazine writer, no longer really care? Is it okay to just let every woman choose for herself? What if she has chosen, but others continue to refer to her by a different and unwanted title? Has the roar of women turned into a whimper? What is the message we are giving to younger women?

You might point out, correctly, that there are so many more pressing issues our country must confront, including the continuing war against women, salary inequities across most sectors, violence against women and children . . . and the fact that both major political parties use women as political pawns, especially when debating the future of our own reproductive health and rights. For sure, these issues should be our priority.

However, isn't it time to say adieu to Miss and Mrs.? Do we really still need to define women by our marital status?

What do yo think?

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04:46 AM on 02/28/2012
Great to see women follow the lead of Native Americans and the African-American community.

Put all your efforts into stopping the trivial and allow the on-going plagues.
07:30 PM on 02/27/2012
Honestly, the only way I can even remember which is for which is from jokes.

Miss is for an unmarried woman because she's *missing* her Mr.
or
(in reference to a girl at college to find a husband) she's here for an M.r.s.

But really, I can't think of the last time I called someone Mr or Ms or Mrs. Everyone I work with (even my bosses) goes on a first-name basis and back in college everyone I would bother with the honorific for was "Professor" or "Dr." anyway.
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10:01 PM on 02/26/2012
I do not like being a "Mrs." because my mom taught in the same district I did for decades, and she is "Mrs. Urban"--for one, because she's actually married. I'm "Ms. Urban" because I'm
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07:35 PM on 02/26/2012
There is violence against men in the home, as well as against women and children? Is men's suffering not worth noting? WAR against women? Hyperbole does nothing to advance your cause. Suggesting that there is a WAR on women is preposterous.
06:40 PM on 02/26/2012
I have used MS. since it first came out and not ever going back.
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09:56 AM on 02/28/2012
Same here, Madge . . . but others still call me Mrs. What's one to do?
10:42 AM on 02/28/2012
I usually only put my first and last name with no title or use Ms.
06:12 PM on 02/26/2012
Personally, I prefer Ms, but would never bother to get picky about it.
04:00 PM on 02/26/2012
"Is it okay to just let every woman choose for herself?"

What a horrible idea! This cries out for government regulation.
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03:52 PM on 02/26/2012
Personally, I abhor the title "Ms". I was "Miss" until old enough to be called "Ma'am." I now proudly wear my "Mrs" title, thank you very much. The teachers at my son's school use "Ms" but PREFER to be called "Miss!" We really have other far pressing matters at hand in this country than this issue.
04:57 PM on 02/26/2012
I prefer "Ms." because I don't see the point in going out of my way to advertise my marital status. That's the problem I've always had with these titles. It's just a way to let others know if a woman is married or not and I don't think it's necessary since men are not expected to advertise if they're married or not.
hroark314
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01:37 PM on 02/27/2012
I don't really care either way (I'm big on personal choice), but I think some women prefer to advertise marital status to limit unwanted attention. Also, most men do advertise marital status by wearing a wedding ring.
03:40 PM on 02/26/2012
I don't understand - in spoken word don't Ms and Miss sound exactly the same? It would seem that this would only even apply to formal letters. I am confused by people who say they want to be called Ms not Miss or vice versa... How would you even know which one the person is using? I actually didn't even know there was supposed to be a difference. I always thought Ms was a title going before someones name on a letter (Ms Smith) whereas Miss was a word used to address someone you didn't know ("excuse me Miss"). I think the reason no one cares about this topic is because the topic itself is simply outdated - there is no significance attached to these titles for younger generations.
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03:53 PM on 02/26/2012
Actually, they do not sound exactly the same. Miss is pronounced as it sounds. However, Ms is pronounced " Mizz" with a "z" sound.
03:59 PM on 02/26/2012
Ms (pronounced Miz) is the standard for addressing business correspondence. The recipient can be married or unmarried. Miss is used for unmarried women. Mrs is used for married women.
03:12 PM on 02/26/2012
As a 55 year old, female with no children, I am sorry, I am NOT a Miss, I am a Ms (doesn't matter to me whether a period is used or not). I have not "felt" like a Miss since my twenties and have no interest in being called Mrs. (someone else's last name).
02:57 PM on 02/26/2012
While it seems trivial, it is another step towards the erosion of culture and tradition. It leaves me wondering what will be next? Maybe the wedding ring? Feminists could use the very same argument to ban the wedding ring.
03:24 PM on 02/26/2012
I don't think too many people would miss the ring; many men only wear theirs only because their wives would have a fit if they didn't.
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03:48 PM on 02/26/2012
I disagree. I stayed mum on the matter 22 years ago. My husband chooses to wear his ring. As do most of the husbands we know in our circle of friends. Even the electrician neighbor. He'd take it off to go to work and put in on the minute he came home. After 45 years of marriage, he is still crazy in love with his wife.
05:01 PM on 02/26/2012
I'm a woman and I don't wear my wedding ring. It's just that I don't like wearing rings. I find them very uncomfortable and if I have them on, I'll keep taking them off. Since I've been married for nearly 30 years, I don't feel I need to prove anything about my marriage to make it seem like I'm committed. It's obvious that I am committed.
03:31 PM on 02/26/2012
I'm sorry but why is it every time a female speaks up for herself ther eis a bunch of males to tell her how it erodes the fabric of culture and tradition? Could it be that men have had it good and it is becoming apparent that the free ride may be over?

I think so...
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07:36 PM on 02/26/2012
What free ride would that be?
02:24 PM on 02/26/2012
It is ironic that the liberal view is SUPPOSEDLY
for less government telling us what do do, wear,
eat, think and say.

Yet the feminists are clamoring in favor of the
government now telling us what to call each other?

No thanks. I think it would be a big MISStake. : P

Thanks for listening.

Patrick
02:46 PM on 02/26/2012
Excuse me Patrick - isn't the call for less government part of the war cry among the Conservatives - NOT the liberals. Those same Republican types who want government snooping in your bedroom and telling women what they should have done to their genitals - the same ones who want less regulation so they can plunder the earth and poison it and us in the pursuit of profit. So you seem not like those nasty feminists who clamor for equality - those nasty bitches who seem to think they are entitled to the same wages as a man for the same job, or the same respect you get for free just for being male.
02:56 PM on 02/26/2012
WOW. You got up on the wrong side of the
bed this morning.

Thanks for listening.

Patrick
02:13 PM on 02/26/2012
I agree that this is all too confusing. In order to avoid a faux pas, I just refer to women as "Babe" or "Sweetcakes".
02:38 PM on 02/26/2012
lol....
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mcinnisja
Let's just assume you're wrong and drop it...
02:53 PM on 02/26/2012
You're so evolved. I'd better get with the program and stop saying "honey."
02:08 PM on 02/26/2012
There was a time when 'Ma'am' made me bristle - along with Ms and Miss. And Mrs made me feel old - older than Ma'am. It was all in my own head. So I took inventory and cleaned out the cobwebs and decided that whatever was used would be just fine with me. I decided that 'correctness' didn't matter, and listened to the tone of the spoken title instead. It works for me. There's too many other things that are more important to think about.
02:36 PM on 02/26/2012
A a southerner, I expect ma'am as a courtesy and title of respect.
Better than "yo"!!

Mademoiselle is so beautiful~~~~Quelle Dommage!!!
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04:05 PM on 02/26/2012
And in Virginia, we refer to adults older than we as Miss Jane, etc., regardless of marital status (men are Mr. John). It is a gesture of respect. I would prefer Miss or Ma'am (it is a contraction of Madam, so requires the apostrophe) to having waitresses or sales persons or the office personnel in doctors' offices calling me honey or using my first name. I haven't ever had a waiter call me honey, hence their exclusion from my diatribe.
04:13 PM on 02/26/2012
Ciao Bella!
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mcinnisja
Let's just assume you're wrong and drop it...
02:56 PM on 02/26/2012
I agree. A tone of respect is more important than the honorific chosen. There are indeed too many things that are more important, but civility among people is a good start.
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02:00 PM on 02/26/2012
Why would America need to figure this out ?. Let the french do their things and the German theirs. Don't we have more important things that actually do need changing ?.