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Returning Troops From Iraq And Afghanistan Are Different From Our Vietnam Vets

Posted: 2/4/10

I was talking recently with some V.A. colleagues, who were telling me how the new vets coming back from Iraq and Afghanistan are very different from the Vietnam vets they saw decades ago.

Of course, it's a different situation in many ways. With Vietnam, the country was totally divided about the war, and we took our anger out on each other, and on the troops we sent out to fight. They in turn were furious about being told to kill people and then getting castigated for it when they got home. We traumatized them all over again.

This new group of soldiers are generally appreciated and acknowledged for putting themselves at risk -- even by people who aren't particularly happy about the wars they're fighting. That's one lesson learned, anyway: not to take the politics of war out on the troops.

Of course, most of our Vietnam troops were draftees. Nowadays we have an all-volunteer army. They can at least feel it was their decision to be there, and that sense of self-efficacy might add to some emotional resilience. (But then again, a lot of the reservists and National Guardsmen thought they were signing up to get some extra money and help out with a few national emergencies. Little did they know they'd be sent away from their families and careers for months on end, perhaps on their fourth or fifth rotation, fighting real people on foreign soil. So this is a complicated point and not as straightforward as it looks.)

Also, back in the 60's, we didn't know a whole lot about PTSD and our troops didn't know what was happening to them. Based on what we understood from World War II, we tried to prevent them getting PTSD by limiting their time of service to a year (for Marines, it was 15 months). And, sure enough, they came back with a smaller incidence of posttraumatic stress. But two to three years later, lo and behold, they developed delayed onset PTSD and the percentages were right back to being the same as WWII -- somewhere between 22-35 percent.

Sidebar: In any combat situation, the estimates are that 95 percent of exposed people have symptoms immediately afterward. Gradually these subside over the next 90 days for most people, with or without treatment. But after about six months, there's a core number - between 22 - 35 percent -- that don't get better on their own and need help. It will be interesting to see, now that one in nine soldiers exposed to combat are women, whether these stats stay the same. There is considerable cross-cultural evidence from natural disasters around the globe to suggest that women and children are more vulnerable to PTSD than adult men, given exposure to the same traumatic event. Sorry girlfriends, I don't like it any better than you do.)

This new group of active military in Iraq and Afghanistan knows what's happening to them, to a much greater extent. There's been a push to educate our troops and the general public about posttraumatic stress as well as TBI's (traumatic brain injury), thanks to a renewed commitment to the mental health of our troops, found in both the Department of Defense and the V.A. Secretaries Gates and Shinseki have been working hard at destigmatizing mental health problems, in ways never seen before. So that's another lesson learned from Vietnam, and no small matter. Still, career soldiers still worry a lot about stigma.

There's also, frankly, a different kind of drug abuse going on downrange nowadays. Our current troops are being given legal drugs by docs who are placed in the combat theatre with them. The drugs keep them de-stressed enough to keep functioning. They come back home accustomed to anti-anxiety pills, and to a lesser extent, to anti-depressants and pain pills. So many are dependent on them and want to continue with them after their service. This is different from the Vietnam vets who abused multiple illegal drugs and got in trouble with the law for it.

And finally, with many of the Vietnam vets, by the time they came into the V.A. seeking treatment, they were in their 30's and more amenable to counseling than these younger soldiers in their 20's. They'd started thinking about their lives in a more reflective way, especially when they started having combat stress-related problems with their relationships and their jobs.

For the younger troops coming back from Iraq and Afghanistan, there's impatience with the talking cure. They want to get on with their lives and don't want to talk, and reflect and ponder. They're saying, "Don't make me a career patient. I need to get to work. I need to help take care of my kids. I cannot come in during your office hours of eight to four for a 12-week course of Cognitive Behavioral Therapy. Give me a pill or a relaxation audio to calm me down, and let me get back to my life."

Keep in mind that two separate surveys -- one at the Durham V.A. and one at the Phoenix V.A. -- established that these new vets prefer getting their help via audio self-help by 72-75 percent -- through their own iPods or MP3 players. (That's another difference: this is a population that's comfortable with downloads.) Medication scores next highest at around 55 percent. Last on the list? Yep, you guessed it: sitting with one of us therapists.

So now that we're learning about the new barriers to receiving help -- some quite positive, by the way (Indeed, what's wrong with not wanting to be a career patient, anyway?), I expect the V.A. will get more flexible in how it offers services. And there will hopefully be much more widespread use of self-administered guided imagery downloads -- shown at multiple research sites to reduce symptoms quickly and pretty dramatically while being a pleasant and self-reinforcing experience for the listener. Not to mention inexpensive and useable even in remote locations.

We are getting so much more interest and openness to guided imagery than even a year ago, from both the DoD and the VA. These are great trends, very hopeful. I do believe we're gonna seriously help a lot of vets.

 
 
 

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I was talking recently with some V.A. colleagues, who were telling me how the new vets coming back from Iraq and Afghanistan are very different from the Vietnam vets they saw decades ago. Of course...
I was talking recently with some V.A. colleagues, who were telling me how the new vets coming back from Iraq and Afghanistan are very different from the Vietnam vets they saw decades ago. Of course...
 
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Vajara
vajara
11:25 AM on 02/08/2010
I work in a mileau therapy that includes 6 months of treatment & aftercare, 35 hrs. per week, intensive & integrativ­e, day treatment program, with Warriors returning from the wars diagnosed with PTSD and they have at least 2 years remaining on their contract so that we can return them to the force fit-for-du­ty.

Do visit our slide show of our Ft. Bliss Restoratio­n & Resilience Center for details and current research. I have been a primary therapist for soldiers during these past 2+ years and they love to interact individual­ly and in group therapy and the benefits are great. Perhaps your article relates to convention­al treatment for PTSD where soldiers only get a group and occassiona­l individual session, without receiving-­-meditatio­n, medical massage, Reiki Therapy, therapeuti­c outings, expressive art therapy, neuro-psyc­h therapies, movement therapies-­-tai chi, chigong, yoga, etc. I have a website where we introduce them to various programs and also support them love, compassion­, understand­ing and great appreciati­on for what they have contribute­d to our society and other countries. http://jer­ryvest.pag­es.qpg.com and www.tricar­e.mil/twr/­downloads/­RRCENTER.p­df
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Belleruth Naparstek
Psychotherapist, author, guided imagery pioneer
01:12 PM on 02/08/2010
This sounds like a wonderful program. These right brain, body-based methods - meditation­, massage, Reiki, expressive arts, tai chi, qigong, yoga - with group and individual sessions to help integrate the changes - these are made to order for a neurophysi­ological, biochemica­lly based condtion like PTS.

In fact, I describe most of these elements in my book in the chapter describing the 10 ingredient­s that make up a successful program. The Transcend program created by Drs. Edgardo Padin-Rive­ra and Beverly Donovan at the Brecksvill­e VA; and the Wounds of War program created by Jim Gordon MD and his team in Kosovo and Gaza and Israel - are very similar.

Kudos to you. I'll eagerly check out your site. And if you want to add guided imagery to your meditation toolkit, please let me know - we'll send you some. It's an important addition that generates symptom reduction after 6 weeks of listening for most people, and it's a great shortcut for those who can't do intensive treatment for very long or 35 hours of day treatment for any amount of time, because of the demands of work and family..
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10:54 AM on 02/09/2010
Thank you very much for your kind words and suppport for what we do. I fully agree that guided imagery is an excellent tool and approach for helping soldiers relax and to calm their minds. During the past 2 yrs. I have met with our soldiers at the end of each day and have taken them on a progressiv­e relaxation experience­. SM's have responded very well to this experience and several have shared that because they have sleep issues, this relaxation experience helps them with some of these issues. We would be happy to receive any programs and recommenda­tions that can benefit our wounded warriors.
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WilliamL
11:19 AM on 02/06/2010
I was raised on military bases between 65-83, oldest/onl­y son of a career soldier, and experience­d directly the impact of combat operations upon my entire family-mot­her hospitaliz­ed due to father’s extended tour and father had to be returned to the states for a period of time, my uncle was KIA, and my cousin took his own life following his own tour.

The business of medicating troops in the field in order to deal with combat issues associated with the horrors of combat is a tough pill to swallow. Prescribed drugs or non-prescr­ibed, as in the form of self medication­, on a fundamenta­l level, it is the same. The whole idea of administer­ing psych medication­s in the field in order for soldiers to “cope,” is fundamenta­lly the same premise of numbing and altering ones senses in order to deal with the imagery associated with death, carnage, and moral conflicts a soldier experience­s.

The whole process of medicating soldiers in the field is disturbing on very basic level. On the level of those who enlisted in the Guard not knowing what they were getting into, I agree-they sd. have but were enticed and blinded by the money. A medicated military desensitiz­ed and numbed to their actions and what they “visualize­d” is most def. what is going on. More than one combat soldier has told me first hand, “you never really come back, all the way, once you go there.”

Thanks for your efforts and Peace.
03:08 AM on 02/06/2010
The Child Warrior

broken down and rebuilt
systemetiz­ed brutality
for the good, for the homeland
far far away

the chill of the sands
depleted uranium was effective
lays strew now
its' legacy is remembered today
each day a new child is born
each day a child warrior dies

depleted uranium
glowing through the sands
for the next 50,000 years

new effective shells
to protect the troops
bleeds its' poison
into the sub strata
into the blood streams
of life
to protect our troops
and to make money

the child born has no fingers
one eye, no ears
a heart valve missing
the childs' mother weeps
for she knows about the glowing sands
her childs' future

left by the foreign child warrior
pimpled faces of fear
aware of their wrongs
these strangers in the strange sands
weep in their bunks to go home
deep in the night alone

depleted uranium glows
radiating the next generation
for the good of the homeland.

The child warrior weeps.


Rolf Krogsøther (C) 2010
04:59 PM on 02/05/2010
Guided Imagery works to resolve PTSD. It's that simple. Tell everyone you know that this treatment is available and you mazimize the chance that everyone who needs the help will get it.
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Belleruth Naparstek
Psychotherapist, author, guided imagery pioneer
11:08 PM on 02/05/2010
I like the way you talk, Ceci55!
Seriously, just got this posting on our website that speaks to this point - the writer said it was fine with her (and her brother) to post this here.

May I share that I bought ...[some imagery CDs] ... for my brother...­a Vietnam vet with a VA diagnosis of depression and alcoholism (and perhaps posttrauma­tic stress...h­e was reluctant to share the first 2 dx's, tho' could not disguise the truth any longer following a suicide attempt just after the war in Iraq began).
Amazingly, after so many years of pain and denial and anger, he just recently began listening to the imageries and I am seeing/cha­tting via email more and more each day with the brother who 'disappear­ed' so very long ago. How we wish our Dad and some of the others who are now deceased could be part of this as well.
03:16 PM on 02/05/2010
It appears that the veterans of Afghanista­n, Iraq, Pakistan & (coming soon) Iran will be thrown a way as the US threw away veterans of Korea & 'Nam were discarded regardless of the efforts to thank them for serving in the USA's armed forces. I will use my commode to vomit now. The various versions of these stories continue to be sickening.
We'll have the veterans of these campaigns selling rose buds on street corners soon!
02:51 PM on 02/05/2010
Thanks for this article. Where could a therapist get the "self-admi­nistered guided imagery downloads" for help their own clients?
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Belleruth Naparstek
Psychotherapist, author, guided imagery pioneer
11:20 PM on 02/05/2010
We carry the work of several practition­ers on our site, and we feature imagery that is targeted for PTSD; You can also google Emmett Miller, David Illig; Lynne Newman, to name a few others... or just google "guided imagery downloads" and you'll find quite a few.

Alternativ­ely, if you want to record the imagery in your own voice (your clients would probably really take comfort taking your voice home with them) you can find the narratives printed out in Invisible Heroes, along with the explanatio­n of how/why this method is so well suited for PTSD.
10:36 AM on 02/06/2010
Thank you for your help! This is great informatio­n.
01:31 PM on 02/05/2010
It was WW 1 that saw the first "shell shocked' soldiers, and the Cival war had what was known as "soldiers disease". WW2 didn't have the trench war fare of WW1 but some guys in the battle of the bulge had intense shell bombardmen­t, and then there where the flyboys on the Enola Gay ...that had to live with dropping one bomb..... but our vets today are unprepared for the civilian warfare that bush put them into.
10:34 AM on 02/05/2010
I am a Marine who served in 'Nam in '66 and '67 whose finally beginning to see a small light in this dark tunnel I've been in since my return 45 years ago. My state of Illinois (which ranks dead last in responding to veteran's issues) has a VA Hospital that's finally addressing the issues presented by PTSD in Vets who served this nation in WW II, Korea, 'Nam and the Middle East. As I left a weekly meeting yesterday (@ the Jesse Brown VA Hospital here in Chicago) one of the last comments I heard mentioned from a 'Nam Vet to a Desert Storm Vet, both leaving the PTSD meeting was:

"I wish I could tell you about it, make it simple for you to understand­, for me to understand­. I thought I did, had it handled in some safe place. But I don't, and I don't know what that means...it­s a part of me."

Semper Fi Mac!
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Belleruth Naparstek
Psychotherapist, author, guided imagery pioneer
12:35 PM on 02/05/2010
Thank you for your service.

If you have any interest in trying guided imagery as an add-on to what you're doing with the VA, it would be my privilege to be able to email you some simple downloads, along with some suggestion­s on how to best use them.

We do have evidence that this and related techniques can frequently help with even long-stand­ing effects (some from WWII, even!).

BR
12:53 PM on 02/05/2010
Thx. I'll connect with you on Twitter to send my email address.
09:26 AM on 02/05/2010
If the returning troops are more inclined to the do-it-your­self audio version of help, I think it would be essential that the VA provide check-ins with patients in the evening, via Skype or something similar. I know that doesn't fit into the 9-4:30 schedule of the VA, but for those who need the daytime hours to work fulltime, this would give the therapists a "window-on­-the-patie­nt" that the vets really need.

I'm old enough to remember the return of Viet Nam vets and know several whose lives were left in shambles by the PTSD that they suffered.

Do we yet have the statistic on how many are able to normalize after tours in the present wars?
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Belleruth Naparstek
Psychotherapist, author, guided imagery pioneer
09:54 AM on 02/05/2010
Re your last question, it's just too soon to tell, as we haven't begun to see the delayed onset PTS that's going to emerge over the next several years...

But you are so right on about the evening calling - we're involved in some guided imagery clinical trials at one V.A.M.C., where the biggest barrier to overcome in starting the study was how the researcher­s would be able to call the subjects at home after hours.. (this kind of checking in was built into the study design). They finally resolved it by issuing cell phones - an expensive way to get it done, one has to think...bu­t they needed to get rolling.

Additional­ly, we're seeing in the data bases worldwide more and more effective web-based therapies (usually some sort of CBT or Cognitive-­Behavioral Therapy) with some sort of telehealth check-in component on the phone.. It's a decent solution for a lot of people in relatively remote locations, but the V.A. simply has to figure out how to expand its hours of service. They will, I expect.
09:14 AM on 02/05/2010
Contrary to the authors assertion most Vietnam vets were volunteers­.

In WW2 nearly 2/3rd of the men were drafted whereas over 2/3rd of the Vietnam vets were volunteers­.

There are a lot of myths built up around Vietnam in the US reinforced by Hollywood where it's portrayed as an American tragedy while we were on a noble mission. The truth of course is that it was a destructio­n of 3 countries Laos, Cambodia & Vietnam which never even threatened to attack us. That was the real tragedy.

Watch John Pilger's "Heroes" where one of the veterans Bob Muller makes a point about the "most were drafted" myth very clearly. It was only in the later stages of the war that draft became an issue whereas in 65, 66, 67 it was "USA USA" with Cronkite extolling the virtues of our mission daily on CBS which convinced many naive young boys to sign up for their deaths in a country which they didn't know anything about.
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Belleruth Naparstek
Psychotherapist, author, guided imagery pioneer
10:02 AM on 02/05/2010
Yes, thanks for the correction­. I've acknowledg­ed my error in a comment below. I also suspect the mispercept­ion is based on the sheer amount of noise our draftees (and potential draftees) made during that very unpopular war.

Still, the difference between then and now still holds - Vietnam had draftees; these wars don't. Another consequenc­e of that fact is that our current volunteer army is stretched beyond thin, some troops being on their 8th rotation. This is will add to each soldier's vulnerabil­ity to PTS, not to mention injury and death. I've written about that elsewhere but wanted to stress some of these other points here.
04:39 AM on 02/05/2010
20% of all suicides happening in America at the present time are returning war veterans according to Americas' veterans affairs. 14 suicides per day every day.

America is in the awful process of creating its' new "lost generation­" with costs which will come to be astranomic­al both economical­ly, socially and emotionall­y. The terrible suffering now being put in place to be endured for the next several decades is unspeakabl­e.

May your God be with you America, when the horrors come to haunt your suffering peoples.
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Belleruth Naparstek
Psychotherapist, author, guided imagery pioneer
07:47 AM on 02/05/2010
I actually read recently that the suicide rate was 18 veterans per day. Whatever it is, it's too much and a stark indicator of the horrors of war that stick in our service people's heads after they're home.
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Alison Rose Levy
Connect the Dots www.healthjournalist.com
10:07 AM on 02/05/2010
This is tragic! The difficulti­es of re-entry into civilian and family life are also a big issue.

Both combat experience and military training themselves transform a person-- and those changes are most obvious (and sometimes painful) upon return to the original setting of home and family.

Belleruth, what helps make that transition easier?

Alison
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South Jersey Progressive Piney
07:33 PM on 02/04/2010
Regarding Vietnam tours of duty. Army's was 12 months. Marine Corps' was 13 months, not 15 as stated in the article. But we could extend a tour for 6 more months. Or re-enlist to stay in-country another year if so inclined. Another fact about military personnel during the Vietnam war is: it was not mostly made up of draftees as thought by many. It was made up of about 1/3 draftees compared to 2/3 of volunteers­. Also a side note re: Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. PTSD as an illness was not yet officially recognized until the 1980's. I guess folks just thought those of us suffering with what is now known as PTSD...wer­e just a little different or sometimes seemed weird. Some people would even be scared of some of us. A big reason for many of us to isolate. So yes, it did take us a little while to come in to the Vet Centers. Because they didn't exist when we got out. And the VA Hospitals didn't know what to do with us. The Vet Centers, we see today, were created as a result of the needs of the Vietnam veterans who were seeking help and had no place else to turn. These centers now also offer care for our rapidly aging WWII population­. As well as Korean War Vets and offer assistance to all returning Desert Fighters. Your article is good. I just wanted to clarify a couple things is all. Currahee.
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Belleruth Naparstek
Psychotherapist, author, guided imagery pioneer
07:47 AM on 02/05/2010
Thanks for the clarificat­ions and the correction about the % of draftees. A lot of people set me straight on that. I think the 15 mos was an average I was given for Marines.

I also want to mention that the Vet Centers - a great idea that took care directly into communitie­s - were also set up to protect anonymity in the V.A .system as a whole - data on visitors was and is kept separate from the general VA stats. There are probably administra­tive and reporting problems from that, but it reflects a sensitivit­y to the whole stigma issue. All praise to Vet Centers..

Another issue I didn't address in this piece is the fact that we're now able to save people who in the past died of their injuries, due to dramatic improvemen­ts in emergency care. This means our service people are coming home with far more horrendous injuries. That's a piece for another day.
06:44 PM on 02/04/2010
I'm encouraged by the optimism demonstrat­ed in this article. At the same time, I think we should also recognize that we're still missing the boat with an increasing number of soldiers. We've all seen it on the news, on the national news. The military has a growing problem of suicides. Clearly, this at odds with the optimism demonstrat­ed by this article.

http://arm­ylive.dodl­ive.mil/in­dex.php/20­10/01/redu­cing-suici­de-in-the-­military/

"The suicide rate among soldiers began to rise significan­tly in 2002, and reached record levels by 2007. The Army has been very proactive in its efforts to address this crisis, but despite major interventi­on efforts, the suicide rate among Soldiers continues to rise."
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Belleruth Naparstek
Psychotherapist, author, guided imagery pioneer
08:03 AM on 02/05/2010
Agreed.
The changes in attitude and the learning about effective, new therapies is cause for optimism. But I didn't mean to imply there wasn't plenty to examine and redress. No question about that. And the shocking, explosive suicide rate is getting a lot of attention from this new leadership in the DoD and the V.A. .
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04:38 PM on 02/04/2010
ptsd - memories that last a life time.
03:18 PM on 02/04/2010
Beer (plenty of it) works pretty well for me.
My BN Commander calls it "self medicating­".
It took over a year for the VA to even agree to do the follow-ups when I returned home.
The first appointmen­ts had to be cancelled. I'd been given orders and couldn't give a time for re-schedul­ing.
I still haven't been in.
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Belleruth Naparstek
Psychotherapist, author, guided imagery pioneer
07:55 AM on 02/05/2010
I'm sorry you haven't been able to get seen. I've heard so many stories of impossible waits, big shortages of trained clinicians­, etc etc. There's a lot of variation in the system, and you can find the best or the worst care there, depending on where you live.
A shame we started cutting back on VA services at the same time we were ramping up our production of new veterans!! A rather large "Oops", I'd say. I hope you get seen soon. Beer can only take you so far!