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Ben Cohen

Posted: July 27, 2009 05:07 PM

My Argument with the 9/11 Truth Movement


After publishing a piece on the absolute idiocy of the Obama Birther movement and its potential to turn nasty, I've been inundated with literally hundreds of emails decrying my comparison of the Birthers to the 9/11 Truthers.

The offending paragraph:

The 9/11 truth movement was enormously helpful to the Bush Administration as it provided a giant distraction from the colossal crimes they committed in Iraq and Afghanistan. If their energies had been directed in a positive way, there's a good chance Bush would have been impeached and Dick Cheney thrown in jail. Alas, the 9/11 truth movement dedicated its time to proving the U.S government tried to kill thousands of its own people in exchange for gold/political power.

The Birther movement can be compared to the 9/11 truth movement, perhaps not in scale, but certainly in its potency.

The emails I have received have made for an entertaining read. The absolute certainty with which otherwise fairly rational people have asserted that the U.S. government planned, carried out and covered up the horrific attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon has blown me away.

I have been accused of complicity with the attacks, called a 'traitor to the human race,' and a terrorist. This is an example of a typical email:

You're either a complete ignoramus (see PatriotsQuestion911 -- http://www.patriotsquestion911.com, and the peer-reviewed article about nano-thermite found in WTC dust samples -- Google it)...

...or a Mockingbird sayanim flak covering up for the Mossad's involvement (Dominick Souter, Urban Moving Systems, Odigo, Zim Shipping) and an accomplice after the fact to mass murder.

Consider yourself outed.

And that was one of the more polite messages sent by the 9/11 Truth Movement foot soldiers.

Another theme that has come up over and over in the emails flooding my account are the 'facts' regarding 'Building 7'. I've skimmed some of them, and they mostly revolve around the idea that rich business men had insurance policies for the building that wasn't hit directly, and that it contained gold, and secret documents held by Enron, Exxon, and other evil corporations that helped orchestrate the attacks.

In fairness, I have also received some polite emails suggesting I do more research on the subject before offering an opinion, but the majority have come from arm chair warriors spewing language that would make a sailor blush.

I have done some research on the topic, but stopped fairly quickly into when it dawned on me that:

1. Any alternative to the official account of what happened is so absurd it simply cannot be true.

2. No reputable scientific journal has ever taken any of the 'science' of the conspiracy seriously.

3. The evidence supporting the official story is overwhelming, whereas the 9/11 Truthers have yet to produce a shred of concrete evidence that members of the U.S. government planned the attacks in New York and Washington.

A couple of years ago, I went to court to testify in a case against someone who had committed a crime against myself and three other people. I won't go into detail, but the case against the defendant was pretty air tight. All four witnesses provided independent, stunningly similar accounts of the crimes the defendant had committed, and all four witnesses had been living in separate countries for the previous decade without any contact whatsoever.

Regardless, the defendant was found not guilty and released without charge. Why? Because the defense attorney alluded to the idea that we had orchestrated a complex conspiracy against the defendant in order to destroy his life. The defense did not provide any evidence of their own, but simply picked holes in the witnesses accounts, all of whom were recalling events from over 10 years before. It was a simple, yet incredibly effective strategy, and the defendant walked free. The 12 regular folks chosen randomly to be jurors failed to see through the tactic, and believed there remained 'reasonable doubt' that he had not committed the crime. 

And herein lies the ultimate weapon the 9/11 Truthers wield over your average 'Myth Busters' viewer: They don't have to prove a damn thing. They just have to raise enough doubt, pick enough holes, and use enough 'science' to make you think twice about the official theory.

It's the same type of intellectually bankrupt shenanigans the Bush Administration pulled when 'proving' the case for war against Iraq. They cherry picked evidence, ignored information that disproved their theory, and used a massive disinformation campaign to persuade people the Saddam Hussein was a reincarnation of Attila the Hun and the biggest threat to America since Adolf Hitler. 

Given enough time and resources, you could prove that Barack Obama was in fact an alien invader from the planet Krypton, sent to earth to destroy America and turn everyone into slaves. I imagine you'd start with the whole Birther Movement nonsense, then move on to the fact that he alluded to it in a speech he gave when running for president. 

The fact is, no one could have ever predicted what would happened to the World Trade Center when a two Boeing 767s were flown into it, because you couldn't exactly recreate the scenario in a laboratory. Science is often limited in its ability to predict, mostly because the real world doesn't conform to standards set in a lab. There are simply too many variables, and the best scientist recognize this and understand that their methodology is intrinsically flawed. While there have been planes flown into buildings before, nothing exactly like that had happened before, and no one really had any idea what would happen if it did.

There are so many variables at play, it is easy to pick holes in the official theory and claim that in fact what we saw (two massive passenger planes flying at high speed into a building) didn't actually happen.

The problem is, by all sane accounts, it did, and the alternative is so ridiculous, you'd have to be a moron to even entertain it. 

The Bush Administration was far too incompetent to pull off anything as complex as the attacks on 9/11, and to think that they could have covered it up afterward is even more absurd. What they did do was carry out and monstrously fuck up two illegal invasions of sovereign nations for oil. And thanks to the 9/11 Truth Movement, a considerable amount of attention was taken away from the people trying to hold the Bush Administration accountable.

The 9/11 Truth movement is fighting a pointless battle for a pointless cause. They have spent enormous amounts of time and energy on the matter, taking attention away from legitimate criticisms of the debacle and the ensuing blood bath that followed. And for that, they are the traitors, not me.

And please, if you are part of the movement, don't email me any more. You're wasting your time.

Not that it seems to matter.

Ben Cohen is the editor of The Daily Banter.com

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PetrBuben
controlled demolition, irrefutable evidence
01:57 PM on 08/10/2009
"2. No reputable scientific journal has ever taken any of the 'science' of the conspiracy seriously."
----> you are 100% wrong.
By now, there is serious, scientific, peer reviewed, irrefutable, conclusive evidence of the presence of high explosive nanothermite in the pyroclastic dust of 9/11 WTC.

The journal is The Open Chemical Physics Journal, at http://www.bentham.org/open/tocpj/openaccess2.htm
see also http://AE911Truth.org, http://STJ911.org, http://Journalof911Studies.com, http://911UnitedWeInvestigate.blogspot.com, http://911Blogger.com , http://PatriotsQuestion911.com

"3. The evidence supporting the official story is overwhelming, whereas the 9/11 Truthers have yet to produce a shred of concrete evidence that members of the U.S. government planned the attacks in New York and Washington."
----> What evidence are you talking about?
Pancake theory has been disproved as impossible. Explosions, implosion, pyroclastic cloud, entire pulverization of both buildings is not even mentioned in the official story.
Official story says "Collapse of WTC7 has not been dealt or looked into" ... What kind of "supporting evidence" is that??

Petr Buben
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PetrBuben
controlled demolition, irrefutable evidence
01:38 PM on 08/10/2009
Ben,
you are COMPLETELY, FACTUALLY WRONG all accounts, regarding 9/11 controlled demolition. This makes you a very good propagandist and a your arguments a target of being called ridiculous.

Quoting you:
"I have done some research on the topic, but stopped fairly quickly into when it dawned on me that:"
----> what research have you done?

"1. Any alternative to the official account of what happened is so absurd it simply cannot be true."
----> what kind of factual, scientific, logical argument is this?? ...
start, and stick with facts. leave what "seems absurd" to you aside. ....

The truth about 9/11 is very serious, mind boggling, and yes - unbelievable, and will have very wide reaching and grave consequences for the country. ..

It is psychologically very difficult to admit you have been completely deceived, and to look impartially on the evidence.. .... so you call it "absurd" .. well maybe it is absurd, to you, you are young, and you, and nobody was and is prepared for grave events such as this to pass. ....
But the question also might be, why do you consider the true, factual "alternative" account absurd?

......2., 3., continued in the next comment

Petr Buben
http://friendfeed.com/petrbuben
10:31 PM on 08/07/2009
Yes, besides the difference between the official story and the actually observed events, you also have the claims by the government that "no one could have foreseen this kind of an attack" when in fact the military had been wargaming this exact scenario before the attacks and even on the day of the attack. Military intelligence had ID'ed Atta and some of his co-conspirators. Numerous governments had warned the U.S. of an impending attack, FBI agents who were observing some of the participants were told to back off by their superiors, the crime scene and all the evidence was quickly destroyed, there are simply too many of these strange things that were going on for the official story to make sense. Just like with JFK. Just like with MLK. Just like with RFK. See a pattern yet?
04:03 AM on 08/08/2009
Let's talk motive: Lyndon Johnson received large political donations, and did large political favors, for Texas construction firm and military contractor KBR, which profited handsomely from the Vietnam War and the invasion of Iraq. The Kennedys and King were opposed to this war. KBR, until 2007 a subsidiary of Halliburton, is linked to former Vice President Dick Cheney, who was its CEO and Chairman. What a coincidence!
04:25 AM on 08/08/2009
Here's a little documentation from a story on NPR:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1569483
03:38 PM on 07/31/2009
Some believe the official story, others believe in investigative deduction based on forensics, physics, mathematics, eye witness accounts, and video evidence.

There's video where demolition charges are audible prior to the collapse of the first building, and where a loud explosion is heard seconds before the collapse. If the sound was caused by the collapse, it would've been heard moments after seeing the building begin to collapse, not before.

The majority of the truth movement is merely asking for a real independent investigation. There's enough evidence that counters the official story and provides strong enough reason to warrant an independent investigation.

Criminal charges should be brought against those who're obviously complicit in the perpetration and cover-up. I'm not claiming to know who they are, but I want to know, and I want to see them brought to justice. That isn't unreasonable by any account if you ask me.

I strongly urge you to research this topic. I stumbled on a video called "Find the missing 757". It showed that there was no physical evidence to support that a plane hit the Pentagon, but that the video and photo evidence show that a 757 couldn't have it the Pentagon. I thought the video creators were full of sh*t so began looking into it to prove them wrong. It turned out I couldn't prove them wrong. The more I looked into it, the more I found the official story handed down by the 9/11 Commission was almost completely false.
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LeftRight
TANSTAAFL
05:08 PM on 08/01/2009
You're insane. The sound that you hear is the BEGINNING of the collapse, but before the outside of the building shows it!!
08:37 PM on 08/03/2009
You say ScottEdgey is insane because he recommends people to do their own research? That's kind of nutty, don't you think?
lastpost
see biography
06:17 AM on 07/29/2009
1. Acquisition: What if Barack posted a reward of $20 million, plus guaranteed anonymity, plus personal protection, plus freedom from prosecution? For the first person to provide the media, with conclusive, verifiable proof of a government and/or other agency-sponsored conspiracy relating to 9-11.
If such activity has been undertaken, then this action should apply the continuous pressure necessary to encourage an involved individual to come forward. Before they can be exposed and implicated by an accomplice. If no definitive evidence is submitted, then no reward would be paid.

2. Verification: The latest brain scanning machines can differentiate between the mental processes of retrieval and fabrication. Memory recall produces a different signature (area of activation), to that necessitated by invention.
It is however, not possible to determine the difference between what an individual believes is true, and what is actually true. Since the individual cannot determine that either. It is though, possible to reveal the production of falsehoods. Using questions which require the creation of data not currently stored. This method is not dependant on detecting/interpreting physical symptoms initiated by lying. But rather displaying the unavoidable mechanical manifestations of that process.
Obviously, a set of control questions could also be used, to confirm the legitimacy of such a test.
06:59 PM on 07/28/2009
Rather typical. You don't like the message so you don't believe it. Check the science! Math: its elementary maths to demonstrate freefall. WTC7 fell with NO resistance. This is only possible with controlled demolition. Physics: LAWS (not theories) of physics are being ignored by the official story. This is also elementary stuff. The chemistry, however, requires specialist equipment and guess what: there is a peer reviewed scientific paper that shows there was high tech explosives in ground zero dust. The consequences of the proof of Controlled Demolition are profound. But don't say there is no science or evidence!
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LeftRight
TANSTAAFL
08:52 PM on 07/28/2009
You mean freefall that took longer than freefall times by a good ten seconds or more????

The fact of the matter is that there's no science at all to back up your proposal, and everything scientific to back up the fact that what we saw on 9/11 is what happened on 9/11!
06:08 PM on 07/30/2009
Freefall! As even admitted by NIST!!! You don't have to believe me. You go to WTC7 video and plot the acceleration on a graph. Google David Chandler, he's a Maths Teacher and has done this.

Laws of Physics: conservation of momentum. The couple of scientists that support the official story get their knickers in a twist over this. The official story doesn't explain the huge dust plumes, the steel girders that are ejected 70mph horizontally, the molten steel hot spots or the many small body parts scattered hundreds of yards on top of neighboring skyscrapers.

And the chemistry: Google Prof Harrit, a respected Danish scientist and his work on the nanothermite found in the ground zero dust.

If you don't want to look then you will not see.
05:56 PM on 07/28/2009
"Any alternative to the official account of what happened is so absurd it simply cannot be true. "

Those who wish to deny the Holocaust ever happened use the same warped logic. I am sure there were members of Dr. Goebbels' Ministry of Propaganda who said exactly the same thing.
The bigger the lie, the more likely it is that there is some element of truth lurking about.
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LeftRight
TANSTAAFL
08:53 PM on 07/28/2009
Except for the fact that in BOTH cases there's TONS of evidence to back up the ACTUAL facts, that there WAS a holocaust and that 9/11 was what it actually looked like!
06:14 PM on 07/30/2009
9/11 exactly looked like two explosions. On the day people was talking about explosions. There was no real evidence that was ever examined. Then everyone was distracted by wars.

It wasn't until 2005 that I saw WTC7 and as soon as I saw it I knew something was wrong. You do not have steel framed building falling into its own footprint from a fire or any form of natural mechanism. It was deliberately knocked down. Why? Fraud files connecting Enron to Texan politicians is one theory (only a theory) - at least we have a motive and a means...
10:31 PM on 07/28/2009
AND -- for a long time, "MOST PEOPLE" believed that Iraq was directly responsible for the attacks of 9-11. So should we still be believing that?
03:54 PM on 07/28/2009
I guess it's irrelevant for me to comment since Mr. Cohen has declared "I am not listening," but here goes: the real problem with the 9/11 truth movement is that they over-extend their argument. There is NO EVIDENCE of (a) a Bush conspiracy, (b) a Multi-National Corporate Entity conspiracy, or (c) "Zionist" conspiracy.
There is, however, sufficient reason for a reasonable person to be skeptical of whether the American people are fully informed of all the facts. First of all, (a) sure, a plane hit the first tower and it fell onto its own footprint, (b) a plane hit the second tower and it fell onto its own footprint -- both of these are indisputable, although there is already room for skepticism, since one does not expect two catastrophic incidents to play out in exactly the same way (because so many random, complex, and uncontrollable variables are involved). And then there is (c) WTC #7 fell onto its own footprint in approximately 11 seconds, even though no plane hit it.
06:47 PM on 07/28/2009
None of those buildings collapsed into their own footprint. They collapsed into other buildings causing horrific damage. World Financial Center #3, which was about 500 feet away from the North Tower, had significant damage from the collapse of that building, as did the adjacent Winter Garden. The South Tower's collapse cut the Marriot in half , and also destroyed St. Nick's Cathedral. WTC 7 was hit with debris from both towers, and eyewitnesses described it as missing a whole corner of the building for 10+stories above the ground and the fire in the building as "roaring". When WTC-7 collapsed it caused over $1 billion of damage to the adjacent Verizon Building and so damaged Fiterman Hall that the building will have to be dismantled piece by piece, just like the Deutsche Bank Building
10:20 PM on 07/28/2009
Uh, look at the footage again. That much mass cannot collapse onto itself without sending out projectiles and debris in all directions, and that is why other buildings were damaged. The damage to WTC-7 was not considered severe, obviously, because the building was selected as the headquarters for the emergency workers, until it collapsed within itself. Correction: it wasn't 11 seconds ... it was 6 seconds. I re-checked.
11:22 AM on 08/19/2009
Good Comment, yokell, except you made the mistake of an absolute statement. Of course every scrap of bldgs. 1,2, &7 did not collapse into their footprints, only to an extent difficult to explain physically by any mechanism involving sub-melting point heat failure of the steel--save for with massive self-delusion, or incredible ignorance about how statics, dynamics and materials science work.

BTW, the number of dollars of damage done is an utterly useless metric of the collapse mechanisms involved!
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Budokan
Professional science fiction/fantasy writer
03:52 PM on 07/28/2009
Good article.
03:32 PM on 07/28/2009
"Given enough time and resources, you could prove that Barack Obama was in fact an alien invader from the planet Krypton, sent to earth to destroy America and turn everyone into slaves."

No, you couldn't, Ben. The problem with your article, and people like you in general, is that you never address actual evidence, choosing instead to paint the entire Truth Movement with broad strokes of caricature based on a few of its less eloquent members.

Have you read The Commission by Philip Shenon? There's a source I'm sure you trust (a NY Times reporter). Philip Zelikow, the executive director of the 9/11 Commission, was a colleague of Condoleezza Rice and a Bush White House insider. Do you consider Zelikow an independent investigator? You shouldn't. So why would you accept anything produced by his commission?

That's one small fragment of the thousands of pieces of evidence that contradict the official story of 9/11. Why do you find it so difficult to accept that we MAY not have the truth? Why would you endorse such a compromised commission?
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liberalrebuttal
02:41 PM on 07/28/2009
The Birthers and the 911 Truthers aer the same. Did you see Alex Jones little show last night ? Did you read the comment section on You Tube ? Yeah, the Birthers and the Truthers ....are ONE ! Crazy idiots.
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knerd
Trapped in a world he never made
02:21 PM on 07/28/2009
You cannot paint the 9/11 truth movement with a broad brush, then sit back and believe you have taken anything close to a dispassionate look at factual evidence.

When legitiamte questions remain unanswered or even the asking of questions themselves is mocked, truth is not given its due to emerge.
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aftershock
04:48 PM on 07/28/2009
"The "Birthers" may well be delusional, but their stance comes from the xenophobia towards Barack Hussein Obama, our first black president. The fear, prejudice and alarm are part of the structure. Things like skin color, religious faith, birth information political stances--these are examples of the content that structure carries."

And yet here you are, painting the "birthers" with the same broad brush you decry being used against the "truthers"...
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LeftRight
TANSTAAFL
08:57 PM on 07/28/2009
WHAT legitimate questions are you talking about??? The science shows how the buildings fell, there's no other evidence against the official story, and do you REALLY think that out of the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of people who would have to be involved that not ONE of them has come forward is believable?????????

I'm sorry, but you cannot have a secret that great and NO ONE tells it!!
06:16 PM on 07/30/2009
Where's the air crash investigations?
12:08 PM on 07/28/2009
"The fact is, no one could have ever predicted what would happened to the World Trade Center when a two Boeing 767s were flown into it, because you couldn't exactly recreate the scenario in a laboratory. Science is often limited in its ability to predict, mostly because the real world doesn't conform to standards set in a lab. There are simply too many variables, and the best scientist recognize this and understand that their methodology is intrinsically flawed. While there have been planes flown into buildings before, nothing exactly like that had happened before, and no one really had any idea what would happen if it did."

If this is reasonable skepticism to doubt the alternate Twin Towers pulverization theories put forth by the 911 Truth movement, it is also reasonable skepticism to doubt the official pulverization theories put forth by the US Government and the media. This is why the Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth group has been taking the science further and examining the Twin Towers debris for signs of explosives.

http://www.ae911truth.org/
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LeftRight
TANSTAAFL
08:58 PM on 07/28/2009
And yet there's no science there.... Odd how science trumps not science, right??
06:18 PM on 07/30/2009
No air crash investigations. No forensic examination of ground zero. No legal evidence against the hijackers. The official story has nothing to stand on except the shrill of the main stream media blurting out: "Four Legs Good. Two Legs Better"
10:29 PM on 07/28/2009
Agreed. If an individual is on trial, I believe in "innocent until proven guilty." But if there is a crime against the American people, I say that the government should be considered guilty until proven innocent: as in, was everything done that could have been done to protect the American people? Was their terrorist infiltration of the towers prior to 9-11? Was a foreign government providing logistical and technical support to the terrorists?
11:26 AM on 07/28/2009
Enough innocents have been murdered for folks (including Ben Cohen) to stop calling one another names just because they look at the same facts, but cannot agree on the conclusion.

It is unreasonable to demand from either side to 'prove' their case to the satisfaction of the other side. However, it is perfectly reasonable to ask for an independent investigation into the crime of the century with a budget and timeline and scope commensurate with the size of the crime. Such a study can pay for itself by the facts it will uncover. E.g. It will be very useful to know why/why not high rise buildings are safe to work/live in.

Mr. Cohen's piece got me searching google. I found this publication:
http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/content.php?TOCPJ/2009/00000002/00000001/7TOCPJ.SGM
10:01 AM on 07/28/2009
In any case, the NIST's explanation of building 7's collapse is dubious. If you watch any publicly available video of their computer simulation, you'll note that they don't show you the entire modelled collapse based on their assertion. Presumably this is because their modelled collapse doesn't actually fit the observed collapse, which is in every way analogous to a classic controlled demolition. Again, no tests conducted for traces of explosives or incendiaries--why not? It is standard procedure in any fire investigation.

You say that the evidence for the official story is overwhelming. Perhaps you mean the passports that miraculously survived the plane impact, explosion, and collapse, to be found intact in the street (the first official claim had them found in the rubble but that was apparently too absurd even for the official story)? Or maybe you mean the Khalid Sheikh Mohammed's "testimony, which makes up 25% of the footnotes in the 9/11 Commission Report? Doesn't matter to you that he was waterboarded a few dozen times? What other evidence is there? The phone records presented in the Moussaoui trial that show that Barbara Olson never in fact managed to connect with her husband Ted (Bush's solicitor general), which totally contradicts Mr. Olson's claims that h e spoke with her? What is overwhelming here is not the evidence for the official story, it is the problems with that story and the bizarre insistence of some people to dismiss all concerns as akin to talk of aliens and bigfoot.
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LeftRight
TANSTAAFL
08:59 PM on 07/28/2009
Or more likely it's because the news doesn't show it. The fact of the matter is that NIST accurately described WTC1, WTC2, and WTC7 and there's yet to be a single shred of evidence to suggest that they are wrong!!
06:20 PM on 07/30/2009
This is more than a shred (peer reviewed science):

http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/content.php?TOCPJ/2009/00000002/00000001/7TOCPJ.SGM