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The Nuclear Power Conundrum

Posted: 07/06/2012 7:11 pm

Are fossil fuels the retro fallback option for a nuclear-free future?

Nuclear power's back in the news. Last month the Japanese government reversed its post-Fukushima decision to become nuclear-free, and this week the Kansai Electric Power restarted the No. 3 nuclear unit at its Ohi plant in Fukui in the western part of the country.

Ironically, a report released on Thursday by the Fukushima Nuclear Accident Independent Investigation Commission concluded that last year's accident in northeastern Japan at the Fukushima Daiichi power plant operated by the Tokyo Electric Power Company (Tepco) was "profoundly a man-made disaster -- that could and should have been foreseen and prevented."

While the official story has been that the accident was caused by the "once-in-a-millennium" tsunami, the report concludes that damage resulting from the earthquake (before the tsunami struck) could have been liable as well.

Earthquakes are a fairly common occurrence in Japan, and so, if the earthquake was indeed the cause of the accident, it would call into question the safety of much of Japan's nuclear fleet, including, presumably, the reactors at the Ohi plant.

The commission was also quite critical of the response by Tepco and the government to unfolding events, and blamed "collusion" between the company, the government, and the plant operator and the country's "reflexive obedience; our reluctance to question authority" as the root cause of the accident.

To be fair, it should be pointed out that this latest report is not the first to be issued about the Fukushima accident (and probably won't be the last), but none of them so far as I can tell has implicated the earthquake (or the Japanese culture), and it's unlikely that this most recent study will settle the matter. (For more information see here and here.)

California Has Its Own Nuclear Woes

Meanwhile, state-side, another nuclear mini-drama is being played out. The San Onofre Nuclear Generating Station, located in the very populous corridor between Los Angeles and San Diego, has been shuttered since January after it was discovered that damage to the steam tubes that carry radioactive water (caused by a computer modeling error and a flawed generator design) had led to a small leak of radioactive steam. A spokeswoman for the Nuclear Regulatory Commission described the leaks as "unprecedented," and the plant will remain offline indefinitely until officials of Southern California Edison, the plant's operator, and the Nuclear Regulatory Commission deem it safe to restart.

While anti-nukes have used the incident as a rallying point to keep San Onofre closed for good (as these advocacy sites here and here illustrate), officials from the California Independent System Operator, charged with keeping electrons flowing through the California grid, have had to scramble to devise a contingency plan [pdf] to keep the lights on and the air conditioning running as California enters the hot part of the summer season. (Read more on the San Onofre closure.)

The Fossil Fuel Trade-Off

What to do when your favorite nuclear plant gets shut down? One option would be to just do without. Another option, and the one that Japan and California have chosen, is to replace the lost nuclear power with another source. And what do you suppose the source of choice is? Fossil fuels of course.

The shutdown of Japan's nuclear power plants corresponded with a more than doubling in the consumption of fuel oil and crude oil (primarily for electrical generation) in January 2012 compared to January 2011. There was also a 27 percent increase in liquid natural gas usage, although coal usage went down by eight percent. This, despite the fact that overall energy usage in Japan dropped sharply since the disaster. Overall, Japan's carbon dioxide emissions for 2011 increased by about 2.4 percent.

The cost of all that extra fossil fuels has been huge. For the first time in decades Japan has experienced a trade deficit. The economic damage caused by the shutdown of Japan's nuclear fleet is perhaps an explanation for why the prime minister has decided to take a baby step back toward nuclear power with the restarting of the Ohi plant.

California's experience with the loss of San Onofre is like a miniature version of Japan's. Since the San Onofre shut down, two retired natural gas units at  Huntington Beach [pdf] have been called back into service.

Torn Between Two Power Sources?

So what to do if you are uneasy about nuclear power and worried about climate change? Many experts opine that you would be foolish to think we could immediately do away with both -- you've only got two options: choose nuclear or choose fossil fuels. As Per Peterson, an engineering professor at the University of California, Berkeley, told the New York Times: "We are really faced with a choice, at least in the next decade. Do we turn off nuclear plants first, or do we turn off coal plants first? You have to do one or the other."

Is he right? Are we caught between a rock and a hard place, or is the either-or proposition a false choice?

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Michael Mann
Nuclear Educator
12:02 PM on 07/23/2012
Second Japan nuclear unit resumes power generation

TOKYO, July 21 (Reuters) - Kansai Electric Power Co said its 1,180-megawatt No. 4 reactor at its Ohi nuclear plant resumed supplying electricity to the grid on Saturday
http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/07/21/japan-nuclear-reactor-idINL4E8IL04L20120721
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Michael Mann
Nuclear Educator
08:09 AM on 07/23/2012
Radiation dosages 'falsified' / N-plant workers told to cover meters with lead to lower readings

The Yomiuri Shimbun

"The health ministry is investigating allegations that a construction company ordered its workers at the crippled Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant to cover their dosimeters with lead to indicate lower exposure levels, according to sources."
The use of lead shielding on dosimetry is not acceptable to those of us in the US nuclear industry and would not be tolerated, by the workers or management. It's difficult to understand a culture which would allow this behavior it is not indicative of a Safety Conscious Work Environment.
http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/national/T120722001780.htm
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ShamsT
The door has opened, so there's no escape...
08:24 PM on 07/22/2012
"So what to do if you are uneasy about nuclear power and worried about climate change?"

Why not commit to building natural gas generation to serve as a transition to the next generation of clean, safe and reliable long term nuclear power? Natural Gas is very inexpensive right now, can be built quickly and CO2 emissions are 40% below that of coal.

Using natural gas as a transition to the next generation nuclear would provide us with the lowest cost power, minimize climate change and provide safe electricity generation well into the future.
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Michael Mann
Nuclear Educator
12:03 PM on 07/20/2012
Here is the link to the NRC report on San Onofre Steam Generators
http://www.nrc.gov/reading-rm/doc-collections/news/2012/12-028.iv.pdf
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Michael Mann
Nuclear Educator
12:01 PM on 07/20/2012
From AP reporter MICHAEL R. BLOOD
Federal regulators Thursday concluded that the operator of the San Onofre nuclear power plant in California did not mislead the government about modifications to its troubled steam generators, where unusual damage has been found on scores of tubes that carry radioactive water.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2018724252_apusnuclearplantproblems.html
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Sherrie Heckendorn
01:22 AM on 07/14/2012
We have solar and wind power and also geo-thermal, and i read about this experiment using mirrors and huge pools to create fuel. With concernted effort by american people, we could become a forerunner of alternative fuel sources and end our dependance on fossil fuels.
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Michael Mann
Nuclear Educator
06:15 PM on 07/12/2012
New nuclear power plants making progress in Georgia! Check out this update from Vogtle!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=wASENB_bChE
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aligatorhardt
Cut on the bias
11:12 AM on 07/17/2012
These plants have been approved without important safety features, that were determined by the Fukushima review to be needed. Regulator Approves Southern’s Reactors as Chairman Dissents - Businessweek

NRC Vogtle liccense approved without safety improvements

Vogtle Deays and cost over runs

The issue of fresh water withdrawal is also a problem for the drought prone Georgia aquifer. Power plant stress on water supplies
11:08 PM on 07/10/2012
During the heat wave in Canada, the Ontario nuclear fleet operated at 96% capacity, wind turbines at 14%
http://canadianenergyissues.com/2012/07/10/ontario-nuclear-performance-in-the-recent-heat-wave/
02:17 PM on 07/11/2012
Well, Ontario should install more solar power. ;)
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Atoms4Peace1
Applying the atom peacefully since 1978
12:44 PM on 07/23/2012
why? If nuclear operated at 96%, solar operates normally around 15%, its a loser.
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aligatorhardt
Cut on the bias
08:51 PM on 07/17/2012
Why, the nukes are working fine? 
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Atoms4Peace1
Applying the atom peacefully since 1978
12:45 PM on 07/23/2012
No utility CEO would ever change "Operating X Gigawatts at 96% for Operating Y KILOwatts at 15%". The board of directors would have their hide.
06:06 PM on 07/10/2012
(Pt 3) Meanwhile, real life scientists have long noted that it took five and ten years (respectively) for leukemia and "solid cancer" rates in those areas to broach the "statistically significant" mark (and, my deepest apologies for sounding crass, but all it took was enough radiation to level a city...)

I suppose I should reiterate, then, that my disagreement with commercial nuclear power has very little to do with direct health effects, and has much more to do with my concerns about the frequency of engineering design flaws in competitive commercial markets.
11:07 PM on 07/10/2012
What are the flaws and is there a trend (+/-) in the frequency?
12:10 PM on 07/11/2012
I'm not aware of any specific statistical trends and I'm not a nuclear historian, but I can briefly cover a couple of major design flaws that I'm aware of by order of significance: starting with the worst, Chernobyl's designs were very much economically influenced - the economic strategy determined the design approach, and engineering oversights led to safety margins being even lower than originally intended. Worse, operators weren't aware of the RBMK's operational characteristics, which included a large + void coefficient of reactivity that made it less stable than other plant designs (But this is all common knowledge and there's plenty of material on the subject for independent review)

Fukushima, as I've mentioned before, requires electric power to cool its reactors. Many American plants share the same design by the same manufacturer, General Electric. Additionally, land-based facilities require very large quantities of open water - so much so (typically lakes and oceans) that some plants have had to shut down during droughts, and watchdog groups have noted that a significant percentage (about 1/4) of American plants reside in areas that experience droughts frequently.

Naval plants, however, were designed under different criterion which, in turn, drove different advancements. With deeper pockets and a drive for quieter, more stealthy boats, S8G plants were designed for "natural circulation" (i.e. flow that is established and maintained by a thermal driving head). Not only do S8G plants not need electrical power to cool themselves (a capability Fukushima lacks), that is also their natural operational state.
12:42 PM on 07/11/2012
Interestingly, though, S8G is also a General Electric design, so I've honestly never understood why they don't employ natural circulation in civilian plants (clearly they have the technology). The increase in size between a submarine plant and a land-based facility shouldn't be a determining factor, either, since NC required an increase in plant size over S5W. I'm sure there are many more details that go into that discussion, and perhaps some of the other contributors can speak to them... but considering the risk-vs-reward, I would think that overcoming any related obstacles would be of paramount importance.

Overall, though, I find that the circumstances are much more favorable for naval plants - they're smaller, more manageable, farther away from the public and vice versa (particularly in the event of an incident)... there's no lack of water, no "drought season", no hurricanes/earthquakes/tsunamis to be concerned about...
Genders
Love, Tolerance, Enlightenment
05:09 PM on 07/13/2012
You way underestimate the cancer from nuclear power.

Ingested particles is the reason. A single nuclear decay particles will rip through several cells giving you that ideal spread of killed to barely harmed cells out of which cancer can form. Repeated over and over on the same small local group of cells adjacent the particle.

http://www.epa.gov/radiation/docs/federal/402-r-99-001.pdf
EPA radionuclide exposure coefficients
all radiation is different and routes of exposure matter.
http://rense.com/general93/decon.htm Busby
Rosalie Bertell, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosalie_Bertell

http://www.earthisland.org/journal/index.php/eij/article/the_nuclear_body_count/
9.7 million cancers from bomb and plant accidents.
6.6 million cancers from the "routine discharges" of nuclear power plants.
Rosalie Bertell 
http://www.ccnr.org/bertell_bio.html  No Immediate Danger  agrees

Chris Busby should submit his study for peer review!!

http://www.greenaudit.org/about-green-audit

"Chris [Busby] has a first-class Honours degree in Chemistry from London University and a PhD in chemical physics from the University of Kent. He is Scientific Secretary of the European Committee on Radiation Risk and a member of the UK Department of Health Committee Examining Radiation Risk for Internal Emitters (CERRIE) (www.cerrie.org). He also sits on the UK Ministry of Defence Depleted Uranium Oversight Board (www.duob.org) and in National Speaker on Science and Technology for the Green Party of England.
06:50 AM on 07/19/2012
Again, ingested particles from where, precisely? Every study performed on occupational exposure to radiation in nuclear power has widely concluded that, by far, the greatest health risk to workers is posed by external radiation because ingestion is of such low likelihood (again, due to multiple containment layers in design and also the physical weakness of radiated particles such as alpha particles, which are stopped by paper...).

It is for these reasons that, while internal monitoring is occasionally performed (twice per individual career in the US Navy), the only required monitoring mechanisms on work sites consist of devices that approximate whole-body external dose (such as a TLD worn on the belt).
06:05 PM on 07/10/2012
(2/2) At the biological level though, to address your underlying concerns, there are really only four outcomes of cellular damage (good daughter, bad daughter, dead daughter, no daughter), the most likely of which is the death of the parent cell with no possibility of mutation propagation (the 'no daughter' scenario - this is why so many people in Hiroshima and Nagasaki suffered radiation sickness without getting cancer). If you're mainly worried about cancer, though, you should look into a gene called TP53, which is the body's first line of cancer defense and is impaired in approx 80% of people who get cancer. This impairment is often hereditary, although it can also be brought on by numerous chemicals (carcinogens) and viruses (e.g. HPV). But if you understand how ionizing radiation works, it is nearly impossible to conceive of a way that a single photon could bring about the kind of *chemical (i.e. not nuclear) change that is necessary to induce something like cancer (damaged DNA typically doesn't get transcribed, but carcinogens and viruses can disable anti-cancer genes without actually damaging them; also, internal organs are not exposed to alpha or beta particles, so that leaves only photons to do something that toxic chemicals and viruses are much better at). If you were to listen to the alarmists, they would have you believe that there's an ongoing conspiracy to hide all the mutants living in Hiroshima and Nagasaki right now.
Genders
Love, Tolerance, Enlightenment
05:20 PM on 07/13/2012
Lab test support LNT, the largest studies of nuke workers, support LNT or worse for certain cancers.

It only takes on cells to go rogue. Even with a relatively low probability, over years it will happen.

The LNT and hot particle estimate of cancers from nuclear power of 6 million people is only 1% of the total cancer deaths and nearly impossible to measure epidemiologically.

The TP53 data is preliminary and contradictory
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P53

Internal organ are exposed by ingested particles, and that's the big problem.
09:43 AM on 07/16/2012
I wasn't disputing LNT, I was noting that low levels of exposure do not yield appreciable levels of cellular damage. This is what LNT predicts. If you increase the rate or provide a low rate for long periods of time, then yes, more damage will occur.

TP53 is still known as a tumor suppressor (no controversy), and it's been studied for over two decades. I'm sure there's plenty more to learn, but I wouldn't dismiss basic or foundational findings as "preliminary".

Why would you think people would be ingesting charged particles? What kind of power plants are you thinking of?
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Atoms4Peace1
Applying the atom peacefully since 1978
12:49 PM on 07/23/2012
LNT is so bogus for low low chronic doses its not even funny.

"will happen" isnt "stochastic" which is a probabilty. LNT is about stochastic effects from deterministic acute effects from exposures greater than 0.1 Sv, not chronic low low exposures.

I dispute its even a "can"
06:01 PM on 07/10/2012
@stephengn1 "I don't feel that the Navy ...teach[es] the full ramifications of the use of nuclear power from a biological or ecological standpoint. They don't know them themselves. No one does"

(1/2) Actually, they teach the ramifications quite well - what you're referring to are the biochemical mechanisms by which damage occurs and the degree to which it happens for a given exposure (dose). While there are many unknowns in this area, this is largely owed to the fact that low-level radiation does *not produce appreciable damage in the first place (all studies conclude that results are consistently below thresholds for detection, which neither confirms nor denies total safety). Regardless of these unknowns, however, the ramifications remain the same - if you're careful, mindful of what you're doing, and treat it as though it's extremely dangerous, you'll be about as fine as you can be anywhere else at any other job (this is why we maintain extremely conservative limits on exposure with myriad other precautions and extensive containment procedures). Moreover, on a submarine, we are not exposed to the 300 mrem/yr that you receive just by being around natural materials (primarily, we are not exposed to Radon or sunlight)
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aligatorhardt
Cut on the bias
11:30 AM on 07/17/2012
While extreme immediate effects of radiation sickness are not seen at low doses, the chance of cancer or genetic damage remains. Childhood Leukemia in Germany: Cluster Identified near Nuclear Power Plant

There Is No "Safe" Exposure to Radiation | NationofChange
06:37 AM on 07/19/2012
Nor is there any radiation-free location within our universe. We can only speak about "safety" with relative terms because our background levels are so high while we live in this solar system.
professor
Correkt the Spelling and Pick on the Moniker
02:23 AM on 07/10/2012
The scheyheidt is really starting to heith the fan. There are more reports of "Noda" disease than you can shake a stick at. Every day increasing. Beating out the cnsrshp.
http://enenews.com/posts-mentioning-leukemia-deleted-japanese-man-diagnosed-acute-leukemia-after-311
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undsoweiter
but I know where to look it up
10:30 AM on 07/10/2012
"A" guy. Well, a pattern is developing. Of course, it's a pattern with only one data point. Is that a pattern?
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Atoms4Peace1
Applying the atom peacefully since 1978
02:14 PM on 07/11/2012
you still rely on enespews I see. Too bad.
professor
Correkt the Spelling and Pick on the Moniker
02:17 AM on 07/10/2012
Alaskan seals, walruses--and now the polar bears--have skin lesions and hair loss, common radiation symptoms. But do not be afraid. Just wear gloves.
http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.asp?ID=3162
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aligatorhardt
Cut on the bias
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batguano
As Long As Grass Grow, Wind Blow & The Sky Is Blue
04:55 PM on 07/09/2012
Well the pro-nuke apologists are at it as usual delivering their fantasy nuke safety claims and pushing the either-or nuke/fossil-fuel power generation choice rubbish. If our society (more specifically our so-called leaders and greed-driven corporate entities) could get beyond profits as the sole determining factor in how to deliver or create sustainable/non deadly power systems into the future we might just have one.

There are alternatives to the false either-or propaganda, but since the economics and politics of level playing-field development and funding/tax-breaks/disaster insurance coverage benefits between alternative green power and old-school poisonous methods are so skewed (and we as a consuming culture refuse to conserve) we are kept dependent on the most potentially deadly and polluting means available. The pro-nuke cheerleaders and BS propagandists on these threads spew their phony rubbish as predictably as night follows day; unfortunately some gullible fools lap it up like Mother's Milk (already radioactive) and allow the potential for a catastrophic event to build.
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Atoms4Peace1
Applying the atom peacefully since 1978
09:00 PM on 07/09/2012
You will sleep next to someone tonight and pick up 2 mrem. Multiply that by 365 days/year and 50 years. Adds up.
11:23 AM on 07/11/2012
I could believe sleeping next to someone adds 2 mrem per *year*. Not per day.

I would guess the exposure is principally due to potassium-40's high-energy gamma ray.
Genders
Love, Tolerance, Enlightenment
05:49 PM on 07/13/2012
all radiation is different.
09:07 AM on 07/10/2012
batguano, if this ^^ is what you've taken from reading this discussion thus far, then I hope you find it worth your time to make another valiant attempt at literacy here in the near future before commenting on this subject further.

For starters, I began posting on this article by boldly expressing my disagreement with commercial nuclear power (go ahead and look). Apologetics? What part of "there ARE legitimate reasons to be concerned about nuclear energy" sounds like a coverup or an excuse to you? And false dichotomies? You mean like when everyone here addressed the pros and cons of renewable energies? Or when many of us suggested that nuclear only be used as a "short term" solution? (that is, of course, in stark contrast to a "long term" solution) How much more do we need to spell this out for you? For all your protests about nuclear propaganda and irradiated sheep, the only predictable entities at this table are the ones who didn't come here to have an informed dialog in the first place.

Furthermore, you should not consider education to be an indication of bias. The reason we expose you to facts is simply because of our interest in you not being egregiously misinformed about reality. So I will now tell you that you receive more radiation from your consumer products than you do from our reactors... and I still don't approve of commercial nuclear power. Now please take your pre-written comments elsewhere.
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batguano
As Long As Grass Grow, Wind Blow & The Sky Is Blue
09:16 AM on 07/11/2012
My comment is distilled from years of nuke industry actions & threats to human health & environment; they are not "pre-written”. I'm sorry you have for some reason taken my comments so personally & emotionally; why? You apparently feel compelled to defend your comments & your status as non-biased & fair-minded; if that is the case, why bicker so forcefully?

There are many pro-nuke comments on these threads that attempt to hide & distort data, claim limited choices, & manipulate public opinion by downplaying the effects of radiation releases & exposures on public health & the environment; “accidents" don’t exist in their world; their intent is not to have an "informed dialogue”, but to obfuscate & confuse. The future of sustainable/non-deadly power generation is stifled by governmental collusion, gifts, & non-regulation given nuclear by the lap-dog NRC; I have been to numerous NRC meetings re re-licensing the Indian Point plants.

Being so sensitive is a waste; you’re either part of the problem or the solution. Rather than castigate my criticism & experience with nuclear power & those profiting from it, you could comment on radiation from bananas or sleeping together, the NRC as industry regulator, or how the industry hides dangerous radiation release spikes by averaging data.
http://www.nuclearpowerdanger.com/plume-maps/methodology.php

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/apr/11/nuclear-apologists-radiation

http://www.acereport.org/downloads/Download_03.pdf
Genders
Love, Tolerance, Enlightenment
05:52 PM on 07/13/2012
Not all radiation is the same. It all depends on type, and path of exposure. I listed the EPA document. External radiation is far less dangerous in general. ingested particulate radiation is the real cancer causer.
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Atoms4Peace1
Applying the atom peacefully since 1978
01:24 PM on 07/09/2012
Bloomberg has it right in this quote:

Where the report falls seriously short, however, is the aspect that has drawn the most approving attention: its conclusion that the near-cataclysm at Fukushima was, at bottom, a cultural mishap. It is both a copout and a cliche to fall back on Japan’s “groupism” and say that “had other Japanese been in the shoes of those who bear responsibility for this accident, the result may well have been the same.” Japan is hardly the only country where safety regulations are poorly enforced and old-boy networks protect industry interests. Witness the 2006 Sago mine explosion in the U.S., where hundreds of earlier safety violations brought only low fines, and the revolving door between the coal mining industry and the U.S. Department of Interior was in full swing.

Moreover, notwithstanding the commission’s lament about the Japanese “reluctance to question authority,” many citizens did repeatedly express their concerns about the safety of Tepco’s Fukushima reactors, including legislators from Japan’s Communist Party.

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I think when you get an "independent" look by the likes of Gundersen and left wing activists, you get what you pay for.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-07-08/japan-s-nuke-report-undercuts-itself-with-cultural-copout.html