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Bill Mann

Bill Mann

Posted: June 22, 2009 10:37 AM

Millions of 'Dangerous' Socialists Massed on Northern U.S. Border!


Canadian commenters rallied to the defense of their single-payer health-care system at this site on my previous post.

At least half the 1400 comments came from Canadians furious at the way their cherished health-care system is being trashed by the American right. And, as I wrote, we Americans who've used the "socialistic" Canadian health system know it works quite well.

But we can learn a lot more from our more progressive "upstairs" neighbors about socialism and international matters.

How many Americans know what's on the back of a Canadian $10 bill?

A. A female U.N. peacekeeper with binoculars.

Think we'll see anything like that in the U.S. soon, where the looneytoons at Fox News and their followers are ever on the lookout for the U.N.'s black helicopters?

Canada takes its international obligations seriously. It's lost a lot of soldiers in Afghanistan the past decade.

Also, much has been made of feckless Louisiana GOP governor Bobby Jindal's Indian ancestry as a sign of racial progress.

But a decade ago, British Columbia elected Punjab-born Ujjal Dev Singh Dosanjhh as its Premier (B.C.'s equivalent of a governor).

And, on top of that, he was -- brace yourselves - a socialist! And the province is still functioning!

His socialist NDP party has been a major political party in Canada for decades.

Living in Canada, as my wife and I did, is an experience that permanently changes most American expats.

You learn that a bit of socialism, properly applied, benefits everyone -- and makes for a better society.

(Another: It's sure as hell nice to live in a safe place without handguns. But we'll save that for another day).

Ironically, it got harder this month to enter the U.S. from Canada. Passports or enhanced I.D. are now required.

That's absurd. If anything, it should be the other way around. After all, WE'RE the loud, gun-owning types living downstairs who could know or care less about their neighbors. We're the ones who drive bigger vehicles -- and who don't have medical insurance.

Socialism Run Amok!

When my wife and I first moved to Montreal, this then-Republican thought it was dangerous socialism when the province of Manitoba took over - socialized -- the auto-insurance business.

The result: Province-wide no-fault insurance that cost every Manitoban exactly $49. (Socialism! The horror!)

Yes, taxes in Canada are higher, but so are government services.

Closing out today's Canada 101, a few more interesting things you may not know about our decent and respectable northern neighbors:

  • There is no income tax deduction in Canada for home-mortgage interest. And amazingly, somehow Canadians still manage to buy homes.
  • There are no full-ride athletic scholarships handed out by Canadian universities (And few if any of the felony arrests that typically festoon U.S. sports pages).
  • And the best for last: There hasn't been a single bank failure in Canada this past year. Canada probably has the world's most stable banking system. No sub-prime shenanigans up north.

So, government-run health care is only one thing we Americans can learn from Canada and its "left-leaning" political leaders.

Finally, on most issues, even Canada's ruling Conservative Party is to the left of our own Democratic Party. That tells you a lot.

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Canadian commenters rallied to the defense of their single-payer health-care system at this site on my previous post. At least half the 1400 comments came from Canadians furious at the way their ch...
Canadian commenters rallied to the defense of their single-payer health-care system at this site on my previous post. At least half the 1400 comments came from Canadians furious at the way their ch...
 
 
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camanokat
Outta this world
05:33 PM on 06/24/2009
Just about ANY system is better than the US. One of my friends is currently in Italy visiting. Her year-old baby grabbed hot coffee off the table and burned himself badly yesterday. He is in hospital now and will stay there until mid-July. A plastic surgeon visits him daily. She also gets a hospital bed in his room. They are fed as well and it's ALL FREE. She is a US citizen and if the accident happened here, she may have lost her house.

WHAT is wrong with this picture?
09:54 PM on 06/24/2009
OMG, all I can say is THANK GOODNESS this happened in Italy or abroad for that matter. I hope your friend's baby recovers fully and safely.

These kinds of accidents do happen and I wish some Americans could see the value of UHC under such circumstances. Especially for kids.
03:04 PM on 06/24/2009
Props to CJWebber. And props to all the Canadians who care about our neighbours (whether they deserve it or not) down south. Very proud and grateful to Canada and its citizens. Thank you.
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camanokat
Outta this world
06:20 PM on 06/24/2009
What do I need to do to move to BC?
09:56 PM on 06/24/2009
I don't know much about the specifics of immigration to Canada or provincial details but maybe this will help?

HOW TO MOVE TO CANADA: A PRIMER FOR AMERICANS

http://www.howtomovetocanada.net/work1.htm

Good luck and best wishes! We are thinking about moving to beautiful BC too!
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CJWebber
I think we all love teachers.
11:46 AM on 06/25/2009
Hey, thanks! Most Canadians really do care about the welfare of their southern neighbour although it has been implied we don't like Americans.


(I live in beautiful northern BC, by the way)
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MJinCanada
Safe from zombies until my 2nd cup of coffee
05:30 PM on 06/23/2009
I get a little irked about the people who call Canada a "nanny state." Yes, we have laws about wearing seat belts and motorcycle helmets -- but we have stronger beer and lower drinking ages too. And around here, you'd just about have to blow smoke in a police officer's face or offer to sell him a couple of ounces to get busted for pot.

I guess we make a distinction between "playing safe" and moralizing.

Just FYI: The back of the $10 also shows a young woman and her child and an elderly veteran in front of a war memorial and part of the poem "In Flanders Fields," written by Canadian army doctor John McCrae to acknowledge the dead in the First World War.

The $50 pays tribute to the "famous five" who championed women's rights in Canada and the rest of the Commonwealth:
* Emily Murphy (the British Empire's first female judge);
* Irene Marryat Parlby (farm women's leader, activist and first female Cabinet minister in Alberta);
* Nellie Mooney McClung (a famous suffragist and member of the Alberta legislature);
* Louise Crummy McKinney (the first woman elected to the Legislative Assembly of Alberta, or any legislature in Canada or the British Empire) and
* Henrietta Muir Edwards (an advocate for working women and a founding member of the Victorian Order of Nurses).
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CJWebber
I think we all love teachers.
12:12 PM on 06/25/2009
Good post.

To clarify for Americans, we have laws regarding seat belt use and helmet use, whether motorbike or bicycle for a reason: it matters to us that people prevent injuries which would impact our UHC. If the hospitals are full of people with injuries which could have been minimized, or even avoided, by using safety items then the system will get bogged down and start losing efficiancy and those who are sick through no fault of their own will suffer.
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jackbutler5555
02:07 PM on 06/23/2009
How much longer can America ignore the fact that millions of Canadians are denied the right to spend lavishly to stay healthy. We should try to help them via diplomatic solutions of course, but we can not take the military option off the table. When American G.I.'s come streaming across the border, they'll be greeted as heroes. We will free them finally from the torment of government-paid healthcare. Who wouldn't be grateful for that? Look how well our intervention worked out in Iraq.
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MJinCanada
Safe from zombies until my 2nd cup of coffee
04:09 PM on 06/23/2009
Tell, you what -- you can start by kidnapping Stephen Harper and Jim Flaherty and holding them hostage. We'll let you know if, er, when we want them back. ;-)
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jsehgal
Micro-bio? There is too much to say!
05:35 PM on 06/23/2009
And we will throw in Tony Twofaced Clement in as well. This bonus is yours to keep forever (in case we EVER want the our other two predator-state promoters back).
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ForVivi
Another button, another buttonhole.
01:47 PM on 06/23/2009
Good article! When will we stop being such a MYOPIC, ARROGANT country ? It may be very hard for some to believe THIS IS NOT THE ONLY DESIRABLE COUNTRY IN THE WORLD and that the majority of the planet's population don't spend their days and nights obsessing on emigrating to the United States of America. Being A PATRIOTIC AMERICAN does not preclude being OK with other nations being patriotic too. Let's keep the "I win, you loose mentality to sports". "I WIN, YOU WIN IS THE ATTITUDE THIS WORLD NEEDS TO PROSPER!
01:15 PM on 06/23/2009
I married a Canadian school teacher and moved to Richmond, BC (part of the Greater Vancouver) a few years back. I can honestly say that it is one of the best places on Earth to live.

One thing you don't mention is that Canadian health care isn't free, as a lot of people believe. Working adults pay a monthly premium, but much of the time their employer pays it. In BC, how much are these premiums?

$54 for one person
$96 for a family of two
$108 for a family of three or more

And if you can't pay for your premium, you can apply for premium assistance and the government will pay for most, if not all of it. Oddly enough, ambulance trips aren't covered under the plan, for this you get charged about $75.

I had a car accident a couple of years ago. I had an emergency room visit, another hospital visit because of complications, had x-rays, an MRI and a CAT scan, and visits to several specialists since the accident. My bill. $54 per month.

Oh, the horrors of socialized medicine!
03:29 PM on 06/23/2009
Many of Canada's provinces have done away with the Health Care premiums . If you are going to charge premiums than you need an entire bureaucracy devoted to collecting them, that just duplicates the work done by CCRA to collect taxes. Dispensing with the premiums and the bureaucracy and having the plane completely funded through taxes is therefore more efficient.
11:05 PM on 06/23/2009
Agreed, but BC is behind the curve on this.
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newsmann
05:32 PM on 06/23/2009
I agree, Steve. We loved Montreal -- until the separatists came in and spoiled things for everyone. I'm amazed more Americans haven't moved north -- overall, it's a far more civilized society than ours, and a safer place. .
10:34 AM on 06/23/2009
And are there Democrats who are jerks too? You bet... Max Baucus is making it his priority to get healthcare reform with a public option killed. You blame the President? Baucus is doing all he can to get about 20 Dem Senators who love the insurance companies not to even consider a public option. And where do these cowards announce this news FOX. They are hoping we won't see them. Why do they want to cozy up to the nut wing crowd is beyond me, unless they are nut wings who ran as Democrats because they couldn't win a rethug primary but had enough Dems to win the general. Or maybe, like Baucus they have been partying with the insurance companies for THIRTY YEARS. Write to your Senators, it is easy to email them, and the worst of the nut wing Dems, Max Baucus, Evan Bayh, and Ben Nelson. If we get rid of them we can change America for the better. But go to this site www.senate.gov
because some sites are republican tricks, they get the email or fax, not your Senator.
10:27 AM on 06/23/2009
Why do insurance companies LOVE medicare but not any other "socialized" medicine? Because
medicare covers people they don't want... those most likely to be or to get sick soon. Why can't you
idiots figure it out that the same thing will happen to a public option. All the people, you have turned
down or dropped after they got sick... like anyone with any tiny illness will flock to the public option.
They have nowhere to go now except to stand in line with the serious drug addicts for HOURS with their children (these are middle class people who can't qualify... not who can't pay) or they can go to
an emergency room where the doctor has to treat them for free by law... welfare healthcare because
the doctor doesn't get paid.
I am sick of repugs, they hire people to make up their horrible lies and then they say them over and
over until they are stuck in some peoples brains. We know you are doing that, repugs. It may work for
a while but soon enough we start reading about your new evangelical ploy... get Lou Engle, Founder
of the call to recruit KIDS who consider it an honor to be a martyr for God, and we watch him bless
Gingrich and Huckabee on You Tube. All that is left of the so called Christian right are the real crazies. And don't even try to pretend that you are not a cult. "Google evangelical and scandal".
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01:26 AM on 06/23/2009
There's plenty of socialism in the US, too. It's just that y'all pretend not to see it. No one is a laissez faire capitalist when his house is on fire.
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kareemachan
watashi ha tororu ga oroka da to omoi masu。
03:30 AM on 06/23/2009
Or maybe if something works, why bother qvetching about it?...
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zeotrope
per ardua
10:46 AM on 06/23/2009
Health care works great in Canada but there is always room for improvement.
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NHGranite
Killer Koala escapes diner, eats shoots & leaves
11:58 PM on 06/22/2009
My friends maintained their dual citizenship so they can go back to Canada for their health care. They keep hearing all the terrible stories, and they are puzzled. Why do we have to make up stories to protect us from those crazy socialists to the north? Because they are neither crazy nor socialists, their system is just not in the pockets of the insurance companies or big pharma.

Single payer non-profit health care for all. No representatives or senators who get money from ins. and pharm. get to vote on this issue.
10:21 PM on 06/22/2009
Just remember that The conservative party of canada wants to be as conservative the republicans are, but as they can not gain a majority government they must tame down the crazy so as not to provoke an election.
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MJinCanada
Safe from zombies until my 2nd cup of coffee
04:00 PM on 06/23/2009
Oh, gosh, doesn't it make you long for the days of Joe Clark--a good honest conservative dweeb?

Let's keep agitating for proportional representation and turning out to vote so we don't get stuck again with a batch of conservative nuts that ONLY 20% OF CANADIANS VOTED FOR!
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LMPE
I connect the most dissimilar things
06:46 PM on 06/22/2009
Remember "South Park: Bigger, Longer and Uncut"?
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kareemachan
watashi ha tororu ga oroka da to omoi masu。
03:32 AM on 06/23/2009
And that's real life? Ever heard of the word "satire"?
05:10 PM on 06/22/2009
OMG

Somebody please help control the h8fest going on in this thread...Baby Jeebus, where are you???!??!

Why are some Americans like this???

When It Comes to Health Care, Why Do Republicans (and Some Centrist Democrats) Hate Americans?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mitchell-bard/when-it-comes-to-health-c_b_218945.html
10:39 AM on 06/23/2009
Seriously why? These are not all poor children. Repubs hate poor children. Don't even want them fed. But this is middle America, some wealthy who can't get coverage and a few poor. It's okay to help a few poor kids, isn't it? No... well think of it this way... a public option would cover all the people the insurance company doesn't want anyway. And thank you Julia Rain and Mr. Mann...a great American.
01:17 PM on 06/23/2009
Republicans are just like the Taliban; Denying affordable health insurance will cause the early and easily preventable deaths of millions of uninsured Americans...Bin Laden is proud.
01:48 PM on 06/23/2009
I don't understand why some Americans cannot see the big picture. OBL just has to sit back and watch the USA k ill their own citizens.
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sonoffestus
Got smart & got out!
03:57 PM on 06/22/2009
I am an American. I moved to Canada. I have found my people, and realized my dream!
04:58 PM on 06/22/2009
Welcome to Canada!!!
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sonoffestus
Got smart & got out!
05:34 PM on 06/22/2009
Thanks Julia and thanks for trying to educate the sea of ignorance that surrounds the US healthcare debate. I try ,but I am losing patience. As my Dad use to say, "Its hard to shovel sh!! against the tide."
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zeotrope
per ardua
10:48 AM on 06/23/2009
Welcome welcome welcome I just love it here also.
03:51 PM on 06/22/2009
If you would like to help pressure Congress to pass single payer health care please join our voting bloc at:
http://www.votingbloc.org/Health_Bloc.php