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Brian Levin, J.D.

Brian Levin, J.D.

Posted: November 8, 2009 09:56 PM

The Ft. Hood Massacre: A Lone-Wolf Jihad of One?

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The horrific shooting at Fort Hood, Texas -- that left 13 dead and 30 wounded -- allegedly by Nidal Malik Hasan, a disgruntled yet devout Army psychiatrist, puts the spotlight back on the lone-wolf offender who sits at the crossroads of crime, terrorism and mental distress. To better understand the Ft. Hood attack it is useful to contrast it with some other recent cases. In addition, it is also important to understand the tangled interplay that personal disappointments, traumatic events and ideology can have on such an individual. For sake of argument let's loosely define terrorism as an attack on symbolic targets, particularly non-combatants, to intimidate a population or subgroup for a political or social objective. 

Hasan Probably Not Part of An Emerging Disturbing Trend of Foreign Radicals

Hasan was the sole shooter and no operational links to foreign terror groups have yet emerged. How much help rhetorically, if any, he got in his spiral toward self-radicalization is also still unknown. Reports indicate Hasan perused extremist websites and that his mother’s funeral service was held at a mosque where radical imam, Anwar al-Aulaqi, and two 9/11 also hijackers prayed.

In any event, with a few very recent disturbing exceptions, most American terrorism related cases do not involve those with direct coordinated links to overseas extremists. The ones that do, however, are a cause of increasingly immense concern. Najibullah Zazi, 24, who allegedly was leading a plot to bomb mass transit targets in the U.S. when he was arrested in September, is tied through intermediaries to al Qaeda’s Afghanistan head, Mustafa Abu al-Yazid- a chief bin Laden lieutenant. He was allegedly trained by al Qaeda in Pakistan as part of an effort to teach tactics to other radicals here in the United States, a charge he denies. Zazi’s case is believed to be the first plot hatched by an alleged al Qaeda associate in the United States recruited after 9/11 to try to hit the American homeland. Various other al Qaeda supporters such as attempted shoe-bomber Richard Reid, would-be bridge bomber Iyman Faris, the Lackawana six, Ali al-Marri and Jose Padilla had connections to the organization that preceded the 9/11 attacks.

Another disturbing case with overseas connections comes out of Minnesota. Four of five people charged have pleaded guilty in the case of the mysterious disappearance of 20 young Somali-Americans from the twin-cities area. The disappeared are believed to be in Africa on a jihad mission in support of Al-Shabaab, a Somali based radical terrorist group linked to al Qaeda that is fighting Ethiopians. Two of those Somali-Americans have been killed in Africa, including Shirwa Ahmed, 27, who detonated himself in a suicide bombing in October 2008 that left him and 29 others dead. Ahmed’s attack in Africa is the first fatal suicide bombing attack by a naturalized American citizen. In 2005, a non-citizen former resident of California, who was deported in 2003, killed 166 people in Hilla, in one of the worst suicide attacks ever in Iraq.

The most recent case of two Chicago residents and former classmates, David Coleman Heady, 49, and Pakistani-Canadian Tahawwur Hussain Rana, 48, have been of significant concern in the analyst community, but far less so in the mainstream media. The men are alleged to have been involved in plots to target a Danish newspaper involved in the Prophet Mohammad cartoon controversy, as well as possible attacks against India. Of particular concern is the alleged connection of the men to Lashkar-e-Taiba, a violent al Qaeda affiliated terrorist group in Pakistan, believed to be behind the November 2008 Mumbai massacre that killed over 160 people. Analysts also point to Rana’s ownership of various businesses such as First World Immigration Services and a meatpacking plant as a potential cover to funnel would-be terrorists into the United States. Both men maintain their innocence.

Homegrown Plots

Even without the orchestration of foreign terrorist groups, homegrown plotters often seem to select symbolic targets, like the military and Jews, from the same playbook.  The first operational plot by homegrown radical Islamic extremists with no direct connection to foreign terrorists was committed in 2005 by California’s Jamiyyat Ul-Islam Is-Saheeh  or JIS. The group which hatched out of the state prison at Folsom consisted of three converts and a young Pakistani immigrant with mental problems, but no connection to any foreign terrorist groups. Their plot involved a series of gas station robberies that were to fund attacks on military bases and Jewish targets. Since then other homegrown plots or attacks directed at military targets have come to light such as those involving Fort Dix, NJ; a Marine Base at Quantico, VA; and the fatal shooting of a recruiter in Little Rock, AR earlier this year by a convert who tried unsuccessfully to get training in Yemen.

Main Types of Offenders

There are three types of offenders who commit violent acts against symbolic targets. The first is the ideologically motivated perpetrator, who acts out of religion, politics, or both. The second is the psychologically dangerous offender, either someone with a degree of cognitive impairment that clouds his judgment or alternatively a sociopath-someone who is aware of right from wrong, but does not care. These two psychologically dangerous types are mutually exclusive. The third type of offender is one who acts out of revenge and/or personal benefit. Offenders are usually a hybrid of at least two of the three categories, although one will usually predominate. 

Dr. Carl Jensen, a former FBI expert, now with the University of Mississippi explains that a key topic for researchers “Is terrorism primarily the result of rational actors deciding upon a course of action to advance their goals or is it the manifestation of psychological factors?”  The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders of the American Psychiatric Association has established its own rebuttable presumption on such matters:

Neither deviant behavior (e.g., political, religious, or sexual) nor conflicts that are primarily between the individual and society are mental disorders unless the deviance or conflict is a symptom of a dysfunction in the individual...(American Psychological Association, 1994: xxii).

Psychological Factors

Jensen points to psychologist Charles Ruby who maintains, “terrorism is basically another form of politically motivated violence that is perpetrated by rational, lucid people who have valid motives.” However, others, he notes, like former CIA psychiatrist Jerrold Post believe that psychological factors play a far more significant role for perpetrators of these attacks. Lone wolf offenders in particular often self-radicalize from a volatile mix of personal distress, psychological issues, and an ideology that can be sculpted to justify and explain their anti-social leanings.

Some of the most notorious acts of symbolic or mass violence over the last century were committed by disturbed individuals. This includes those that were either adjudicated insane, a very high legal hurdle, or  those who at the very least had a history of psychological difficulties. The former include New York City “Mad Bomber” George Metesky and attempted Reagan assassin John Hinckley. Others like Unabomber Ted Kaczynski, neo-Nazi killer Buford Furrow, and Virginia Tech massacre shooter Seung-Hui Cho had unmistakable bouts with mental illness.

For many of these perpetrators personal setbacks and alienation are an important part of what catapults them to violence. A radical belief system will often justify, amplify, and direct where their growing personal anger and frustration are targeted.  Difficulties in relationships and employment settings, as well as a childhood in a broken home are common.

As Islamophobes and armchair analysts jump to their own simple conclusions on Hasan, his personal dislocations and fears likely played a significant mutating role in his eventual spiral toward violence. These include fear and conflict over an impending first deployment, unresolved distress over the loss of his mother, difficulties with his colleagues and in finding a mate, a cross-country move, and repeated exposure to traumatized soldiers. After two of the main support systems that he knew all his life, namely job and family failed him, religion may have taken their place.

While he had served for two decades in the military, he had become increasingly alienated from its mission, and upset over a feared deployment he could not escape. In addition his immediate family grew distant as his siblings established families of their own and his parents passed. In its place, religion-or at least a twisted idiosyncratic version of it appear to have become a support and belief system that provided a rationale for the growing fear and anger he was feeling. Hasan, like a Christian, killer Scott Roeder-who murdered abortion provider Dr. George Tiller at a church, twist their own conception of faith to comport with their pre-established violent leanings. As we confront a variety of terrorist threats across an array of extremist movements and structures, perhaps the hardest to guard against is the lone-wolf, or small cell, who overlays a contorted political or religious template on a simmering violent personal cauldron of hatreds, fears, alienation, and disappointments. In the extremism arena they can come from an array of diverse ideologies, but whatever their motivation they can be a violent and twisted army of one. 

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03:26 AM on 11/11/2009
I believe this is why he did it: he didn't want Muslim soldiers to have to serve in Iraq and Afghanistan. He thought he could create an atmosphere in which Muslim soldiers wouldn't be trusted to serve there, perhaps by the military, perhaps by an outraged public, and so he tried to make a martyr of himself to do so. And he's had many accomplices in the media, and even among people commenting on this site.
07:03 PM on 11/10/2009
There will always be disgruntled types, we have had and will continue to have a spate of copy cat type shooting sprees (Portland, Florida, etc) Doesn't excuse it.

We need to prevent them from acting. Given that Hasan was dangerous, whoever in the FBI who classified him as not dangerous just hit a major career bump. Given that the military will discharge even pilots for having sex with enlisted, how on earth was this idiot Hasan allowed to keep practicing???? This was a SNAFU of major proportion on the part of homeland security.
01:49 PM on 11/10/2009
Whatever the case may be, the O administration should use this as an opportunity to distance itself from Bush/Cheney policies. Suspect brought to trial for conviction and then jailed. Not tortured or rendered to some other place like Gitmo.

This pathway should then be used for US citizens first, who have been held as suspects without trial for years.
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Cosatjockomo
02:02 PM on 11/10/2009
In war you do not bring people to trial, you kill them.
08:58 AM on 11/10/2009
There sure are a lot of explanations! Some simple, most not. Maybe this is what happens when nobody listens? When nobody listened in 'Nam, people got "fragged". This guy was trying to convince people of the wrongness of these wars. People tried to convince us of the wrongness of Vietnam too. Possibly some of those people were shot dead at Kent State on 4 May 1970. Those people were not armed either, yet they were shot down by our very own government. Nobody has ever "paid" for those killings to my knowledge. Let's face it, the U.S. invaded those two nations, and proceeded to kill and main thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands. Meanwhile, people back here go to movies, play video games, laughing at heads being blown to pieces, in air conditioned comfort, while Mommy orders pizza or bakes brownies. We have become desensitized to killing, pain, anguish, and horror of war. THAT IS WHAT WAR IS! Killing, killing, and destruction! Lives destroyed, posessions destroyed, antiquities destroyed, infrastructure destroyed, the environment destroyed!
What is wrong with all these idiots needing explanations? This guy was trying to call attention to a crime, a crime in progress, a crime where all manner of hydrocarbon devouring machines are being used to subjugate one of the poorest groups of people on the planet. The threat "GWB's" representative made to Iraq was "Do what we tell you or we will send you back to the stone age" That was Pakistan you say? UH-OH!
09:31 AM on 11/10/2009
So he was just getting rid of some carbon, you saying he was an environmentalist?
10:51 AM on 11/10/2009
He was an environmentalist as you are a compassionate, tolerant, tactfull, considerate, humanitarian. You are with "Doctors without Borders"? "Habitat for Humanity"? " Bell Aerospace"?
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12:17 PM on 11/10/2009
The tragedy at Ft. Hood was without a doubt a heartbreaking tragedy. However it was bound to happen sooner or later. Dr. Hasan a military psychiatrist was well aware of the horror stories from returning war veterans especially those suffering with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD).

He had to be aware of the military's downplaying of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder amongst returning veterans. The rate of PTSD is at record high and resources for these soldiers are scarce. There are reports of soldiers with PTSD ordered back to combat duty despite the obvious danger to the soldier and his/her comrades .

This does not excuse or lessen the severity of his crime. However he was obviously a bomb waiting to explode. Torn between professional and religous convictions and perhaps even mental health issues, he lost it. The result is 13 dead and 31 injured including himself.

We must ask ourselves does Hasan's crime take precedent over the crimes of Bush ,et al in starting wars that have no justification, have no apparent end and have accomplished little in bringing to justice the criminals of 9/11!

Justice for the Ft. Hood victims will come about when Obama orders the troops home NOW! Adequate funding for the VA healthcare system must be assured so that returning vets have resources to heal their physical and emotional injuries! Lastly we must also demand that Bush and Cheyney be brought to justice! The real crime began with them and where it must ultimatley end!

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07:10 PM on 11/10/2009
The crimes of one group can indeed lead to crimes by another. Imagine the forgiveness we would realize with the Muslim world by charging Bush et al with war crimes, dereliction of duty, and lying to the citizens of the United States of America. Much of this terrorism would stop immediately. If we then pursued an equitable solution to the Israel-Palestine issue, the good will would be greatly compounded. We choose instead to sacrifice, billions, maybe TRILLIONS of dollars, and THOUSANDS of lives. What kind of sense does that make? Sacrifice a former president, and a few of his cronies, and we will NEVER have to go through anything like this again! ( Well, never say never but...)
05:31 AM on 11/10/2009
Anyone who shoots a room full of people is not a conscientious objector. He is a mass murderer. Or is he a good soldier? War is hell and evil. We should never have listened to Bush and Cheney.
The claim that no one listened to him and that Muslims are inherently dangerous is oversimplifying the situation. Some Muslims are dangerous, so are some of the people in the tea bag rallies with their hate plainly in sight. Are all Catholics pedophiles because some in the clergy have been shown to be so? You cannot solve a problem if you do not look at it accurately.
We should get out of these wars and try to do something constructive for the world instead.
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12:27 AM on 11/10/2009
It is particularly reprehensible that there are those who use this tragedy as a license to spew the most ignorant and vile Islamophobic bigotry. Its one thing to analyze a small proportion of dangerous extremists, quite another to denigrate an entire diverse community of faith. A civilized society can not countenance hatred of this sort, and I want my readers to know that I find this kind of hatred, (including some expressed in this comments section) as well as the violent attacks on our soldiers to be anathema to everything I believe in.
04:44 AM on 11/10/2009
You are absolutely right in your opinion, it has become very normal thing to spew hatred on Islam whenever a Muslim loses his cool and he go for a rampage like this. If an officer takes the gun and kills his fellow soldiers in cold blood then there must be something is terribly wrong with the way he must have been treated. No doubt this is unforgivable but it is also unforgivable to continue to kill fellow Muslims by the same army that is to be deployed in those Muslim countries. This problem is started by the previous government of George W Bush and his cohorts in the name of was on terror, in fact most of Neocons and Right Wing radicals have turned that into a war on Islam or Crusade on Islam. In my opinion this problem will not go away as long as America is in the land of the Muslims and continue its support for Israel. Even American soldiers are going through a lot of stress and there were so many cases of suicides and it is not easy for them.
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11:56 AM on 11/10/2009
eloquintly stated. there are many who have never read the qu'ran who love taking specefic verses to jutify a position. the most important verse that trumps all others clearly states that (the ink of the scholar is more sacred than the blood of the martyr). those that commit suicide missions are rightfully condemned . they are violent acts carried out by deranged individuals. if one wants to quote any holy book, at the very least, give the intire quotation a complete reading and understanding.
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Cosatjockomo
12:20 PM on 11/10/2009
And the Imam calling him a hero of Islam? Has he been excommunicated from the Muslim religion? Does Islam even have a mechanism, besides assassination, for removing false religious leaders. Muslims claim to be for peace, but virtually every human shield wearer, roadside bomb setter and hijacker is Muslim. Never do we here that Muslim leaders have disowned these people. They still call them Muslims, still claim them for their own. Christianity is about turning the other cheek, but there are hypocritical christian militias, but they don't actually attack anyone. If they did they would be immediately ostracized.
06:33 PM on 11/09/2009
Wow... a rational voice. Thank you, sir.
06:25 PM on 11/09/2009
Islam is the only major religion founded by a milatary person who personally beheaded over 600 people, the only religion that calls for killing unbelievers, the only major religion that calls for a holy war, the only religion that condones the stoning of women for adultery (contrast that with Jesus' interaction and "cast the first stone"....) - Any Muslim who follows the directions gets a free pass to heaven -

Islam also condones lying to achieve its goals - including such lies as "we are a peasful people"

This guys acts are not of one but of millions-

PC killed 13 people at Fort Hood
08:05 PM on 11/09/2009
Christianity rose to power in the West during the 4th century due to the efforts of a military-political figure, the Emperor Constantine of Rome. Before that it was a minor cult for slaves and women. The rise of other religions is too clouded in ancient history to make a definitive statement about how much military might and murder had to due with it. You seem to think that Islam has something so basically evil about it that it can never evolve into a religion as peaceful as others. I disagree. Just look at Leviticus, Deuteronomy, Joshua, etc. for things worse than the Medina surahs in the Qu'ran.

The problems the US has with the Muslim world come from its unnecessary meddling in their affairs. If we had as little to do with Muslim countries as possible, we could let them morph into something compatible with the West. Of course we could argue about the details of "as little as possible", starting with the Barbary pirates. But it is clear that US support of Israel, and the military excursions into Afghanistan and Iraq have been mishandled, to say the least.
08:44 PM on 11/09/2009
MMMMM, I recall that all of the Middle East, North Africa, Spain and the Hellespont were at one time Christian. Apparently they all "meddled" in Muslim affairs and so deserved what the got eh? This is totally absurd. Talk to people who have been at the receiving end of the spear my friend....
09:24 PM on 11/09/2009
Islam is not a religion; it is a socio-political ideology hiding behind the veil of religion to accomplish its goals.
08:46 PM on 11/09/2009
Only people who have not read or studied this religion can believe what RickyJ is selling. I commend your post Flathead1
04:48 PM on 11/09/2009
After years of collecting and reviewing data on extremism, the issue of stress as a trigger remains one of the most obvious yet most politically unacceptable arenas of research in this arena. And that's a tragedy with a very real body count attached to it as we have just seen, sad but true.

I've been in contact with two government on this topic and both are utterly preoccupied with the notion that terrorism/extremism is all about terrorist groups and state sponsorship, this despite being tasked to look at the roots of extremism for modeling purposes under the Bush Administration, a program that has continued into the Obama Administration. The bottom line: their version of finding the roots of extremism consisted of coming up with a model that will support whatever policy their political masters desire. That such a "model" would miss the Ft. Hood massacre, etc. is beside the point.

During the Cold War, it may have made sense to treat terrorism/extremism as a side-effect of a much larger conflict involving state sponsors and proxy wars, but that time has long since past. We must move away from the current crop of so-called 'experts' who view the study of "terrorism" as a propaganda/marketing assignment and replace them with serious professionals who understand that making the same mistake on a larger scale does not a solution make. Until that happens, expect things to get worse, not better. In the meantime, God help us all.
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04:39 PM on 11/09/2009
Good article on the shooting inconsistencies:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/gaddy/gaddy72.1.html
03:48 PM on 11/09/2009
The amateurs are again doing all the psychoanalyzing, and they range from sociopath to deranged, or to just say 'terrorist.' It's way more simple than that. Put any creature, or even child into an aggravated angry/frustrating situation (called tantrum) and you'll get a violent response. If you then put that creature/person into that situation with a gun then he/she will express it by firing that gun.

It is said "guns don't kill people, people do" without saying how, which would then re-phrase the cleche with 'Guns don't kill people, people with guns kill'. Take away the gun and you have a person having a trantrum. Military personnel are trained killers. What do we expect when they get mad, angry and frustrated?
04:07 PM on 11/09/2009
"Put any creature, or even child into an aggravated angry/frustrating situation (called tantrum) and you'll get a violent response. If you then put that creature/person into that situation with a gun then he/she will express it by firing that gun."

Actually, that's not the case. 40% of American households own guns and ~100% of households own knives, and people with guns and knives get angry every day. We do NOT go around shooting or stabbing people.

Taking another human's life out of anger is most assuredly NOT a normal reaction to an aggravating/angry/frustrating situation. For a sociopath, perhaps, but not for normal individuals.
08:41 PM on 11/09/2009
Being angry is one thing, being angry and not being allowed express that anger, is quite something else. The test is with animals, then see just how they re-act. As for that 40% that owns guns the percentage that will use it when really angry is higher than you are acknowledging. You make too many generalizations.
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OdinsEye
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04:09 PM on 11/09/2009
"Take away the gun and you have a person having a trantrum."

You have obviously never seen what a person can do with a knife, bottle, stick, tire iron, chair, or just their hands and feet. Trust me, it isn't pretty.
08:49 PM on 11/09/2009
Seen many instances of just that, but I would rather defend myself against a knife or broken bottle than a gun. If they were equal to guns then get the military and police to use only knives, or better still, broken bottles.

What is missed in this instances is that the guy was never listened to by those that matter. We misunderstand anger and worse we make every attempt to stop anyone that expresses anger (including children) instead of setting up ways to express it without damaging property or people.
03:27 PM on 11/09/2009
Everyone is missing the most important question--was he on anti-malaria drugs at the time? Why is no one asking this question?
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~ 13.7 Billion Years:::: i am not. BANG! I am.
04:31 PM on 11/09/2009
Hmmmmm . . .what is this about?
06:25 PM on 11/09/2009
The most important question? Please explain that statement.
07:18 AM on 11/10/2009
These drugs are given to soldiers before they are deployed overseas. He was being deployed overseas. A side effect of the drug is psychotic episodes.
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demfriend
01:43 PM on 11/09/2009
Unlike some who believe "all Muslims want to kill us in our country" I believe this was a guy who was very, very mentally ill who needs a lot of help. He was not looked at enough by the military who trained him for his job to be a psychiatrist who would work with soldiers with PTSD. They let pass many things about him which should be red flags. They have such a high need for persons able to work with those with PTSD that they hire people from the civilian sector to help so this guy was a person who could fit the bill and they had him as they trained him for a set time. He wanted out to satisfy his twisted beliefs and that would have put him in the private sector dealing with civilians as he had the training and the licence. He would have exploded more than likely there had he not done it at FT Hood as he isn't a well man. That he lived is surely also something he had not planned on doing so he will face what he did and I am glad he will have to provide the answers. I doubt it is any type of "Muslim thing" at all but a very mentally ill man with guns. We should not go after all Muslims for what he did especially in the military as most serve with honor.
06:23 PM on 11/09/2009
The first allegiance of a muslim is to Islam and other muslims and not to his/her country.If any,I mean ANY,imam declares death on americans,ALL muslims are obliged to comply on pain of never going to paradiseThat has already declared by radical imams all around the world.Muslims in the USA are a fifth column and the Ft Hood massacre is just the first.The next will be in the Minneapolis,Mn area and done by somalies.Any religion like Islam that sentences you to death if you convert to another religion is far from a religion of love and understanding.No where in the Q'ram is a "love thy neighbor as thy loves thyself".The closest is to be kind to the banquish and the slave.No love or understanding to non-muslims.Muslims are now the biggest threat to democracies of the West.Islam has surpassed Communism as the biggest threat.
05:57 AM on 11/10/2009
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What Islam says that we human being from one father and mother in other words from one single soul and God created tribes and nations not despise each other but to recognize each other and also what Islam says is that killing a person unjustly is like killing the entire humanity. So please learn Islam before you sprout any more of your hatreds here. But remember people in the past tried to destroy Islam but it proved to be indestructible and it will remain so.
01:31 AM on 11/11/2009
"No where in the Q'ram is a "love thy neighbor as thy loves thyself".The closest is to be kind to the banquish and the slave.No love or understanding to non-muslims."

You're wrong.

"Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians -- whoever believes in God and the Last Day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord. And there will be no fear for them, nor shall they grieve" Quran 2:62
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tbone99
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10:45 AM on 11/09/2009
I live in a town with a military base. Every week in the local paper there are reports published of soldiers shooting and beating each other to death,, using their cars as a weapon to run each other down, and harassing each other into to suicide. In addition there are reports of their murdering and physical abusing their partners, children and civilians.

Multiply this one military base x 145 bases in the U.S and you can see that military stress/violence is a major problem harming many here in the U.S , yet no one reports or asks what church did these perpetrators attend.
06:07 PM on 11/09/2009
Thank you for pointing this out. Maybe you can also shed some much needed light on the problems that service personnel have re-entering society after being in an armed conflict. We are in much more danger from them than we are from the millions of people who practice Islam.
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09:22 AM on 11/09/2009
It is not a coincidence that many shizophrenics exhibit religiosity and many domestic and foreign terrorists are hyper religious.( I am in no way stating that schizophrenics are more prone to violence than the general population) The twisted impulses of these violent individuals are given impetus and justification by the belief that this is what their God wants them to do. Most religions venerate martyrs for God. It is a small step for these terrorists to imagine that same veneration. In fact all they have to do is watch the news to see it for real. Some Christian leaders applauding the murder of Dr. Tiller and the bombing of clinics and cheering crowds at funerals for suicide bombers. Is it any wonder that with the US becoming a theocracy and the Middle East already theocratic that we have an increase in violence. More harm has been done in the name of religion than good. Entire populations have been wiped out in the name of God. It is beyond me how rational people can still cling to these ideas in the face of the harm they do. For those of you who say that you don't condone what is done in the name of your religion or that you don't follow all of the precepts of your particular religion, I don't believe you can have it both ways. It strikes me as saying you belong to the KKK because you like the sense of community and the picnics.
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tbone99
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10:36 AM on 11/09/2009
Your last line makes a stunning point . Thanks.
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doctorkosan
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10:36 AM on 11/09/2009
"Relgion does more harm than good" -- agreed!