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Brian Normoyle

Brian Normoyle

Posted: November 11, 2008 12:49 AM

Prop 8 Makes Wrong Kind of History


True or False:

1) We should eliminate civil rights through popular vote, as long as a very narrow majority of voters agree.
2) Special interests and citizens from other states should be allowed to fund political campaigns that affect your rights in your state.

If you answered "true" to either question you may be a supporter of California Proposition 8--the ballot measure that was titled "Eliminates rights of same-sex couples to marry." If so, on this test and in last Tuesday's election--even with the right answer staring you in the face--you failed.

California made history last week, to be sure, but not the kind of history we like and can be proud of and certainly not the kind of history we're known for. In 1948, California led the nation by becoming the first state to strike down bans on interracial marriage. In the Perez v Sharp decision that found marriage to be a fundamental right, the state Supreme court stated "the right to marry is the right to join in marriage with the person of one's choice" (emphasis added). Nearly 20 years later, the United States Supreme Court agreed that marriage was a "basic civil right" when it struck down anti-miscegenation laws all across the country.

Last Tuesday a very narrow majority of voters decided to make history again: California is now the first state in the nation to take away a currently existing civil right from a group of citizens. This national embarrassment by way of constitutional amendment is made all the more painful and unjust by the manner in which it was passed: the subjection of individual rights to a popular vote. Really? In America? In California!?

People are entitled to their religious and moral convictions but I strongly suspect many who were on the fence but eventually voted in favor of prop 8 did so as a result of a long, expensive, campaign of misinformation, fear-mongering and outright lies. The Yes on 8 campaign repeated claims long ago disproved, fueled by big money from out-of-state citizens and special interests and a mentally unstable billionaire with Tourette's syndrome who once declared his goal to be "the total integration of biblical law into our lives." I don't think that is the brand of history many Yes on 8 voters bargained for.

Meanwhile, the proposition hardly accomplishes what it's most ardent supporters set out to do: end gay marriage. Over 18,000 same-sex couples wed leading up to the election. Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger and Attorney General Jerry Brown predicted those marriages will not be nullified, leaving a class of gay citizens who can have same-sex marriages and another class that cannot. Moreover, the grandest irony is that the amendment does not preclude gay marriage--a gay man can still legally marry a lesbian or heterosexual woman for example--it only prevent gays and lesbians from marrying the person they actually love. This paradox hardly protects the institution of marriage, it makes an absolute mockery of it.

The response to the vote has been swift. In less than one week, I've peacefully marched many miles (albeit on crutches after a recent knee surgery) with outraged and unified gays, lesbians and their straight allies in four rallies. There were separate marches with nearly 2,000 participants in West Hollwood, 3,000-5,000 in Westwood, and approximately 13,000 in Silverlake. And what I observed amazed me.

I saw straights, gays, men, woman, blacks, whites, Latinos and Asians who were outraged but inspired. They weren't alone. Among the countless supportive voices I heard were that of an elderly woman in a wheelchair cheering us on from her front lawn. I saw whole families waving in support from high-rise apartment complexes and workers applauding from office buildings. There were people just getting out of class or ending their work day to join the marches as motorists stuck in blocked rush-hour traffic blared their horns in support. At one point I witnessed classrooms full of children cheering through their windows and giving a "thumbs up" to the peaceful marchers outside.

I've walked alongside children as young as eight chanting loudly "gay, straight, black, white, marriage is a civil right" and I've seen groups of teenage girls proudly displaying their "No on H8" signs made from the backs of cereal boxes. There have been marching bands, drums, sirens and megaphones. At one point I stopped to rest at an overpass and looked back to see throngs of people fill the street as far back as my eyes could see. And this is just in Los Angeles.

Tens of thousands of demonstrators marched in San Diego, Huntington Beach, Palm Springs, Fresno, Oakland, Long Beach, Lake Forest and San Francisco--all peaceful with just a handful of arrests. Outside California, 3,000 protested in downtown Salt Lake City and a major protest is scheduled Wednesday in New York. And now, over 80 cities in every state across the nation will protest Prop 8 on Saturday.

Why such a strong nationwide reaction from gays and straights alike to one proposition in one state that seemingly effects only one group of people? Well, because this issue affects every American. There will always be disagreement about controversial and provocative issues, but a bedrock American principle is to draw the line at the elimination by popular vote of a person's basic civil rights once those rights have been afforded to him/her.

Americans are traditionally touchy about their rights. We value them, are protective of them, and don't appreciate them being threatened. But this is exactly what Prop 8 does. It begs the question of which group or what right is next. It's scary. And it should be.

So I'd like to offer a sincere, unequivocal and warm-hearted thank you to the organizations who funded the misleading campaign behind this measure. Thank you for awaking a sleeping giant and kicking a lion. Thank you for galvanizing an otherwise complacent and heretofore dormant grassroots movement that will inevitably become a national cause.

Thank you also for choosing this fight in a state where you were barely able to eke out a slim majority. Thank you especially for throwing down the gauntlet in an age when we have not just public television, as in the 1960s and '70s, regulated and censored by federal agencies, but cable, YouTube, the internet, blogs, MySpace, Facebook, Twitter and the iPhone. Thank you for doing this at a time where the injustice of your actions and the depth of your lies can be instantly communicated to the entire world in a matter of nanoseconds.

Incidentally, it should come as no surprise voters aged 18-29 voted nearly two to one against Prop 8. Where they will stand on this issue when it again comes to a vote is crystal clear. How will the youth below them weigh in when they come to voting age and this is again on the ballot? Here's a hint: first-time voters voted 62% to 38% against Prop 8. History, time, momentum, and America's youth are on the side of equality and fairness for same-sex couples.

If the Yes on 8 campaign hadn't fought so hard and spent so much money to eliminate minority rights with such an underwhelming majority of voters, then California would have remained just one of three states recognizing the value of all families and the equality of all citizens. There would be no national discussion about Prop 8. In several Yes on 8 campaign ads, much was made about whether or not children would have to learn about gay marriage. They're most certainly going to now.

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True or False: 1) We should eliminate civil rights through popular vote, as long as a very narrow majority of voters agree. 2) Special interests and citizens from other states should be allowed to fu...
True or False: 1) We should eliminate civil rights through popular vote, as long as a very narrow majority of voters agree. 2) Special interests and citizens from other states should be allowed to fu...
 
 
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02:07 PM on 11/13/2008
The Center for Governmental Studies has an interesting discussion about Prop 8 from a legal standpoint. They discuss the difference between a revision and an amendment to the US Constitution and what it means for the current Supreme Court case against Prop 8.

Here's the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNX4jgLpPvA
04:42 PM on 11/12/2008
Protests in LA today: 5 to 7pm at Mormon Temple and 7pm in West Hollywood. Many California city halls on Saturday. Sign up for alerts at www.afterprop8.org.
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Trittydi
Special on pap smears at Walgreen's this week ....
02:17 AM on 11/12/2008
Equal rights are not special rights.
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Trittydi
Special on pap smears at Walgreen's this week ....
02:16 AM on 11/12/2008
Very sad day for America.

Two bright spots -- this suddenly focuses the national lens on the problem when it is about to wow the nation with the strength of the support Americans truly give to the gay/lesbian community and their civil rights.

... and the detractors that spent such remarkable amounts of money to pass prop 8 -- will see the $$$$$ go up in a puff of smoke when the measure is overturned by the courts.
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09:02 PM on 11/11/2008
The whole purpose of marriage in society is the declaration of a new breeding pair. I've never been anti-gayrights before but I don't see them as a hard done to minority this time, I just see them as beaing unreasonable. Stand together, protect the meaning of our ancient institutions, marriage is not a tax break or a ticket to citizenship.
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10:42 PM on 11/11/2008
Right. No one should be allowed to marry who can't breed. That includes infertile men and women, paralyzed people, people with high risk of passing along hereditary diseases, and women past child-bearing age. Only those who can produce babies can marry anymore. Let's all vote and put that into effect right now.

The true meaning of your "ancient institution"? It began as a contract between and man and another man who was a father of a very young girl. The contract legally allowed the first man to take the little girl home with him--for a "bride price"--to bear "his" children, clean "his" house, and cook for him. But men didn't always feel like they should pay. The "dowry" was instituted to bribe men to take peoples' daughters. If she brought her own stuff to the new house, and the husband even got paid money, he was more likely to marry her. That is your venerable ancient institution.

Today's marriage is not the "venerable institution" of Hammurabi's day, and it is not the kind of marriage we're talking about.

Those who prate about history should take the time to learn it.
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06:52 PM on 11/11/2008
If you make a mockery of people's feelings, you are no better than what many protest against...discrimination. Address the concern if you wish...but sarcasm is counterproductive.

What's next for traditionally "married" couples? Will there be a check box for being "married" to a man or a woman? It is everyone's business...because "gay marriages" are taking away the rights of heterosexuals to simply say "I'm married", a religiously based term...and we care about that.

I will gladly protest for equal rights, IRS, benefits, etc. But it's not fair to anyone to say gay unions are the same as the traditional definition of marriage between one man and one woman, it's not...while the love and commitment may be. What's wrong with a different name and the same rights? Until there is no distinction between a man and a woman, male or female...Each deserve equal rights...Men and Women are different but equal. Should we all just be human being and forget the distinction of the sexes?
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07:57 PM on 11/11/2008
I agree there is no place for mocking and I have pushed repeatedly this past week for my angry friends to remain level headed and focus anger into proactive behavior. I am not mocking anyone's feelings. In fact, I mention that people are entitled to religious and personal convictions and I firmly believe that.

There is no sarcasm in this article. I am genuinely grateful for the opportunity presented to speak out about this and have a national dialogue that wouldn't have happened without Prop 8's passing.

Unlike other states that prevented rights for gays and lesbians, Prop 8 TOOK AWAY a civil right by popular vote. I remind you that is the FIRST time in American history that has happened. And I just don't think that's what many moderate Prop 8 voters intended to do. And I would ask you to consider your feelings if a basic and fundamental civil right had been taken away from you by a razor-thin narrow majority of voters, many of whom were misinformed by a campaign predominantly funded by out-of-state interests.

We're not talking about bond issues or what to name a bridge, we're talking about civil rights. Should we be in the habit in this country of removing civil rights by popular vote?
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09:18 PM on 11/11/2008
Hi Brian...I didn't read sarcasm in your article...but much in the bloggers' responses. You are right about the seriousness of the issues...and to be honest...it all seems unfair. If I remember California history correctly, Proposition 22 passed by 61.4%, the "Defense of Marriage Act" stated “Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California.” This proposition more closely mirrored the one that has been passed in many other states. A lot of California voters feel slighted because the vote was disrespected...by a politician with a personal agenda... actions that resulted in the case that went to the state court and decided by a few people. Was that fair to the people who voted for the "Defense of Marriage Act"?
12:25 PM on 11/12/2008
Brian - Not all of us understand the rights being sought or that were denied. Could you be specific about what civil rights have been lost in California?
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04:33 PM on 11/11/2008
Another thing to consider about the eventual long-term success of gay rights is the fact that this (temporary) defeat is juxtaposed against the miraculous scenario of Obama's election. There's more than a little cognitive dissonance and irony happening here today, and it carries more moral weight than otherwise. You're correct in saying that it's made gay rights nationally prominent in a way that it wouldn't be in a more typical year.

The unfairness of rescinding a previously-granted right by popular vote sets Prop 8 apart from the other, preemptive same-sex marriage bans set elsewhere. Indeed it's without precedent for any type of civil rights in America. It's not our best moment nationally, and it blights the triumph of Obama's election.

You correctly intuit that this energizes the issue, and spreads it's resonance far beyond the relatively small circle of gay people and their strongest straight allies. In saying that I refer mostly to those who would be activists, rather than benevolent, theoretical supporters. The larger crowd of benevolent supporters are valued and important, but they're generally less invested and motivated than the dedicated minority that usually drives the roots of social change.

The attention being drawn here will eventually turn the tide in favor of full equality. It might only take a few more years if all goes as rapidly as it could. I give it 10 years, and perhaps less.

Californians ARE BETTER than this. I believe they'll prove it fairly soon when they try again.
01:44 PM on 11/11/2008
According to the CA Supreme Court, domestic partnership laws provide the civil "right to marry." I know that this is very confusing, but the usage of the term "marriage" is not deemed the determining factor in deciding if the "right to marry" is provide to all citizens.

The term "marriage" was granted by the court to provide "dignity and respect" to same-sex couples. Prop 8 defined the term marriage as different from the term domestic partnership. Marriage, as the court explains, has been a heterosexual label for opposite-sex couples. The court set this aside saying it was not enough that a group feel passionately about using the terminology.

The courts justified the "dignity and respect" argument by qualifying same-sex couples as a suspect classification. Sexual orientation did not meet the historic "suspect classification" test of "immutable rights", the term for an attribute that is unchangable or from birth, which explains the lack of support from the Black community and the claim that same-sex "marriage" is not a civil rights issue.

PUNCH LINE: Unable to meet the "immutable rights" test, a new test was created for "a minority that was powerless in the political process." If the courts did not know in May same-sex couples were not powerless, they must know it now. Yes on Prop 8 defined the term marriage. The right to marry remains. Remember, according to the court, it is not enough that a group feel passionate about using the terminology.
01:24 PM on 11/11/2008
call me crazy... but not all liberals are in favor of gay marriage... whenever I hear the words "gay marriage" in a sentence... the picture that comes to mind isn't so pretty (to me that is)... I don't mind what people do in their bedrooms... but for me to go out of my way to advocate for or against it... i don't see that happening... but like many other people... if I'm given the opportunity to pull the lever for or against it.... i'll have to be against it... sorry!
I understand that's probably not a very popular position on this site... but unfortunately, a lot of people feel the same way I do, religious and non-religious alike...
02:37 PM on 11/11/2008
I'm sorry, but I just don't get it. As Keith Olberman said "What is it to you?". If it offends you, then don't picture it. The simple fact is that you DO very much care what people do in their bedrooms...that's the only difference here. Because how much of what happens in a marriage has to do with the bedroom? As a hetero white woman married for 20 years, I can tell you that it's a small part of what's important. The important parts of a marriage are what happens at the kitchen table, on walks in the park, at family gathering, at the desk over the bills, at the PTA meeting and the desksides and bedsides of our children. And at these places, there is almost no difference in how their daily lives move forward. ANd none of this robs of you of any inalienable right. But you somehow feel it's okay to rob them of theirs. At least be honest with yourself...that all you do care about is what happens in the privacy of their bedroom.

All I can ask for my fellow human beings, is that you think a little harder before you have to pull the lever...about why you feel this way, is it okay to feel this way, and if really, really it has anything to do with you....or enough impact in your daily life to rob people of their most basic civil right.
03:16 PM on 11/11/2008
Thank you, Nancyok. You've summed up the feelings of so many of us in a beautifully sincere and thoughtful way. To come across a comment like this when so much hate and venom is flying around, well...it makes me feel like the world isn't as bad as it seems at first blush. Thank you again.
03:44 PM on 11/11/2008
You state "...to rob people of their most basic civil right."

Will someone please be specific about which rights were taken away or did not exist before the CA Supreme Courts ruling in May?

Even Keith Olbermann discussed everything but the specific rights being denied. Don't make me watch FOX News. Please, someone.
03:23 PM on 11/11/2008
I'm sure that we can all think of many heterosexual couples whose togetherness is not exactly a "pretty picture" to us on the surface and what happens in their bedrooms is not appealing to a majority. But are their rights subjective to the popular vote of their community based on how appealing they are as a couple, regardless of how happy they are to be together nor what family they may have started? If that's the case, we should just secure the rights of marriage to "hot" couples and your right to marry and stay married should be up for popular approval. Hell, we should just go back to arranging marriages for you. "Love is blind, as well as hatred."
11:09 AM on 11/11/2008
Call me an idealist but I truly believe that this was an error. Voting NO to say YES is confusing and I believe it was not clear to a lot of people. I believe that a lot of people that are on the outside of this, meaning they do not fall into either side with strong opinions, meant to vote YES to same sex marriages but thus had to vote NO. I believe that today many more people are aware and realize their error. This is an issue worth fighting for and if nothing else it has increased awareness for larger group of people and I believe that the results will be different with this new awareness next time.
10:43 AM on 11/11/2008
Thank you for such an insightful and uplifting post! I'm coming out of my initial shock and depresssion about the passage of Prop 8 and my anger is starting to rise. Thank you for the positive perspective! I hope every free thinking American will take to the streets to make their voices heard!
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Brian Normoyle
09:19 PM on 11/11/2008
Thank you. I, too, am angry, yet I am also hopeful. I realized this week more than ever that we are on the right side of history and that it really is just a matter of time before people recognize that same-sex relationships contribute to society as well. Seeing so many straights and gays working together and so many people of all ages and races cheering the marchers on was an inspirational thing.
07:08 AM on 11/11/2008
It would seem with this election we've grown in so many ways that the results of the vote on Prop 8 actually surprised me. Just don't understand it.

Sometimes change takes time. I can only hope that the next time this issue is brought to the table it will have happier results.
02:54 AM on 11/11/2008
Thank you for finding a silver lining on this shameful vote. Like many others, I was focused on the presidential race and now ask myself if I could have done more to support my friends' and neighbors' basic civil rights and human rights.

The passage of Proposition 8 damages the sanctity of my own heterosexual marriage, by affirming that marriage is not about our love, our vows before God, family, and community, our enduring partnership through the trials of life, or our shared responsibility for raising our children, but rather, it is about whether we fall into the correct sexual orientation.

It is a disgusting display of bigotry, ignorance, and arrogance.

I can only hope that your positive spin is true. I can at least know that I, personally, will work harder to rebuild and defend marriage rights for all.
12:49 PM on 11/11/2008
Simply put, well said.