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Posted: June 23, 2009 07:59 AM

Defense Department-Certified Agency Newsletter Suggests Killing Democrats

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"In 2008, Ammerman implied that four presidential candidates should be "arrested, quickly tried and hanged" for not voting to designate English America's official language, and speculated that Barack Obama would be assassinated as a secret Muslim." - Newsweek, June 20, 2009

As noted in the Newsweek story, last fall -- as the presidential election was heating up, retired Colonel E.H. "Jim" Ammerman, in the official September 2008 newsletter [PDF of newsletter] of his Department of Defense approved chaplain endorsing agency, published a letter which suggested, per the advice of a fabricated Abraham Lincoln quote, that four US Senators should be be "arrested, quickly tried and hanged!!!"

The alleged crime? Voting against a Senate bill that would have established English as the official language of the United States. Newsweek did not reveal the names of the four senators. But a May 20, 2009 Huffington Post story by Military Religious Freedom Foundation Senior Researcher Chris Rodda does: Democratic Party senators Dodd, Biden, Clinton, and Obama.

It was not the first time that Jim Ammerman has suggested or called for the execution of top US government leaders from the Democratic Party. Unlike common stereotypes of those who promote such incendiary views, Jim Ammerman is neither a right wing talk show host or on the militia movement fringe.

[below: in widely broadcast 1997 video, E.H. "Jim" Ammerman claims Jewish bankers control the US economy and calls for execution of then-president Bill Clinton]

Through his Chaplaincy of Full Gospel Churches, retired Colonel "Jim" Ammerman presides over more than 270 active duty military chaplains, perhaps 7-8 percent of the active duty chaplain force.

Ammerman says he was a friend to the late General William Westmoreland, claims both Texas megachurch pastor John Hagee and Word of Faith televangelist Kenneth Copeland as current friends and states that his agency works with three and four star generals and has allies at the highest levels of the Pentagon as well as in the US Congress and Senate.

The June 20, 2009 Newsweek story by journalist Kathryn Joyce, "Christian Soldiers: The growing controversy over military chaplains using the armed forces to spread the Word", explored Jim Ammerman's involvement in a recently exposed scheme to distribute native-language Bibles in Iraq as well as the controversy surrounding reports from a nonprofit watchdog group, the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, of an extensive pattern of illegal and sometimes abusive Christian fundamentalist religious proselytizing in the United States Military. Founded by Air Force academy graduate and Reagan Administration lawyer "Mikey" Weinstein, MRFF was at the center of a May 2009 story, about the spread of fundamentalism in the US military, published in Harpers Magazine.

Ammerman's activities in the civilian sphere are equally notable:

From the late 1990's and up into the 2008 presidential election, Retired Colonel Jim Ammerman has engaged in a pattern of anti-government agitation and, along with one of his top chaplains noted in the Newsweek story, James F. Linzey, has gone on national speaking tours to promote a class of New World Order and Federal Reserve conspiracy theory which has been widely credited with helping inspire acts of right wing violence and also the rise of the militia movement in the 1990's. But these conspiracy narratives are not secular; they are interwoven with apocalyptic Biblical narratives and presented as "Bible prophecy."

[below: VHS cassette box packaging from Jim Ammerman/Prophecy Club video "Immanent Military Takeover of the United States II"]]

James F. Linzey's conspiracy theories, which Major Linzey promoted in 2005 during a Prophecy Club speaking tour and through appearances on Christian media venues in 2005 and 2006, had an overtly racialist, anti-immigrant slant and both Ammerman and Linzey have each publicized a conspiracy theory, long ago debunked, claiming that foreign Jewish banking concerns, including "The Rothschilds," control the American economy through the Federal Reserve. The Anti-Defamation League identifies that class of conspiracy theory as A Classic Anti-Semitic Myth." Holocaust Museum shooter James W. von Brunn promoted that particular conspiracy theory in his writings.

Experts who study the relationship between conspiracy theory and right wing violence, such as Political Research Associates Senior Analyst Chip Berlet, suggest such conspiracy theory feeds a cultural climate that can provoke acts of violence against targeted, demonized groups in society.

Responding to transcripts of several of James Linzey's 2005 radio appearances, Chip Berlet stated,

"Linzey's description of the alleged NWO conspiracy is tainted by historic antisemitic claims and encourages the scapegoating of Jews as part of a global plot. Similar claims made in the 1990s helped mobilize the armed citizens militia movements and provided the justification for some to prepare for conflict which led to violent confrontations with government agents.

Linzey has adopted wholesale the standard Illuminati/Freemason conspiracy theory about the NWO featured by Patriot groups such as the John Birch Society. Linzey however also echoes antisemitic claims such as those found in the notorious hoax document the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, where Jews are named as the ultimate ringleaders. When Linzey talks about the "world bankers" he is using language that is readily recognized by antisemites as meaning "Jewish Bankers." "

[below: in 2005 Prophecy Club-distributed video, James F. Linzey claims "our new would-be world rulers, global banking, are trying to change our whole racial order, our whole social order, our whole political order, and our whole religious order."]

For James F. Linzey, illegal immigrants also appeared to be centrally in the crosshairs. Linzey served as the head command chaplain for the Operation Iraqi Freedom troop mobilization and can be seen in photographs shaking hands with Army head Pete Geren and Navy Admiral Mike Mullen.

During an April 10, 2005 radio show appearance Linzey told listening audiences that,

"I want Americans, I want everybody listening, to go out and buy 5 weapons and 5,000 bullets -- for your own protection, for self defense. Because I believe that foreign soldiers will come to our houses, to rape our wives and teenage daughters and kill the men right in front of them -- and then the women will bear children of an ethnic stock different from what they are...

...this whole illegal immigration thing is a ploy. It's done deliberately. It's not done by accident. This is not a matter of `Oh, they're coming over the border because they can't get a job in Mexico.' -- NO. The world bankers did the same thing to Mexico that they are now doing to America. That's why they're coming up here. Now they want to make us the same ethnic group through intermarriage, and rape, and killing the Caucasians." [more transcripts from James F. Linzey radio broadcasts]

[video, below: In April 10, 2005 radio broadcast James F. Linzey claims Chinese troops are training an army of Mexican and illegal aliens who will kill millions of Caucasian men and rape Caucasian women and teenagers, thus altering the racial makeup of America.]

In a videotaped appearance before a live audience, also from 2005, James Linzey declared,

"Remember, the demons believe in Jesus Christ. They believe in the truth -- see that's Jesus Christ -- and they tremble. And so the demons inside these greedy world bankers are trembling that Americans would come to find the truth about what they're all about. They are as scared as little tiny mice running up and down the curtains in the cathedrals. Now, they're in the cathedrals. They're in the churches. They're controlling pulpits. That's how mainstream Protestantism has declined. Because they invaded the churches, and the mainstream Protestant churches stopped hearing the truth. So they want to squelch the truth by taking over the church. Now, this is not in my notes, but I was inspired by God because these are demonic, dastardly creatures from the pit of hell, and we need to stomp them out."

[Below: James F. Linzey calls for Christians to "stomp out" the "greedy world bankers" Linzey claims control America and Christian denominational churches.]

Both Jim Ammerman and James Linzey have promoted dire conspiracy theories warning that a United Nations takeover of the United States, with the help of foreign troops hidden in national forests and military bases, is imminent. In a January, 1997 talk that was videotaped and broadcast nationally over scores of radio and TV stations, and subsequently cited as evidence in a subsequent Pentagon review of Jim Ammerman's activities, the military chaplain endorser called for the execution of then-president Bill Clinton, for alleged treason.

[below: Jim Ammerman tells his audience, "Most of our freedoms are gone. We're basically operating in a police state... martial law has not yet been declared but it could be at any time... we already have more foreign troops, and I'll give you the numbers, in this land, in the 48 states, than we have our own military left here that's not been shipped somewhere overseas. So the takeover could happen at any given hour... but the conspiracy began way back in eons of time ago when, up in heaven, there was an archangel named Lucifer. And he decided that he was going to try and effect a coup."]

President Clinton had signed a secret edict, claimed Ammerman, which in the event of a national emergency would pass control of the government over to the Secretary General of the United Nations. Bill Clinton had also established himself as a dictator, established "nature worship" as the national religion, outlawed Christian churches, established secret FEMA detention centers and, in league with the United Nations, hidden up to 1.3 million Chinese, Russian, German, and UN troops in National Forests and on domestic military bases.

[Below: Retired Colonel Jim Ammerman declares existence of up to 1.3 million foreign troops hidden in US National Parks and on military bases.

During the talk, Ammerman stated that he had been in communication with US military commanders "at the battalion level and above" who were considering taking action against "domestic enemies." Ammerman also suggested his chaplains functioned as a private intelligence network which he could use to influence foreign policy outcomes.

Jim Ammerman gave the January 1997 speech during the second of two national tours, in 1996 and 1997, during which Retired Colonel Ammerman, introduced to his audiences as having "top level [US government] security clearance" and, armed with a Powerpoint presentation filled with dubious and wholly invented bullet-points, told audiences, at paid speaking engagements, that the United States government was imminently ready to institute a police state and throw dissidents into concentration camps.

The context was explicitly religious. The "imminent military takeover" Ammerman warned his audiences of would be the last stage in the establishment of a one-world government, a satanic New World Order under the Antichrist.

Behind the conspiracy, which ultimately traced back to Lucifer's "coup plot" against God according to Ammerman, were Illuminati and Jewish bankers who, through control of the US Federal Reserve, ruled the American economy. Ammerman claimed those same bankers, led by the Rothschild banking family, also controlled the economies of the United Kingdom, Germany, Italy, and France.

Bill Clinton secretly took orders from Hillary Clinton, declared Ammerman, because she outranked him in the Illuminati. The Illuminati organization had been created specifically to destroy America's freedom and, in league with "world bankers" who were almost exclusively Jewish, Illuminati were working to financially enslave and bankrupt the US middle class.

Jim Ammerman gave his presentations under the auspices of an industrial-scale antigovernment agitation effort run by a Topeka, Kansas Christian ministry called The Prophecy Club which organized seditious public presentations, videotaped and sold in VHS cassette format and also nationally broadcast by Prophecy Club affiliate stations numbering, at the Club's height in the late 1990's, over eighty radio stations and twenty five TV stations with a theoretical broadcast reach of roughly ten percent of the American population.

At its peak, Prophecy Club speakers addressed audiences in forty US cities across America each month. Many Prophecy Club speakers claimed to have US military or government experience, high level security clearances, and insider's knowledge of sinister government plots. Their conspiracy theories narratives were surprisingly uniform and conveyed a clear message; the government was the enemy.

Some of the Prophecy Club's speakers, such as Texe Marrs, were unabashedly anti-Semitic. One, Fritz Springmeier, is a white supremacist who was convicted in 2003 of bank robbery and can be seen in a Prophecy Club videos [1, 2] viewable on Google Video and YouTube, giving presentations on the "Bloodlines of the Illuminati" and addressing an audience with the message that reptilian alien/human hybrids can be identified by the shape of their eyes. Springmeier, author of an influential conspiracy theory book The Thirteen Bloodlines of The Illuminati, has helped spawn an entire subclass of conspiracy theory now currently being mainstreamed through a hit pulp fiction series, the Band of Brothers books written by GodTV co-founder Wendy Alec.

The Prophecy Club has been almost wholly neglected by contemporary historians but from it's inception in 1993 through it heyday in the late 1990's and into the current decade the club has retailed to audiences across America the sort of far-right, anti-government New World Order and Federal Reserve conspiracy theories widely credited with helping to inspire the rise of the white supremacist and anti-government militia movements during the 1990's. According to some reports Ammerman's Prophecy Club videos circulated widely during the late 1990's among the burgeoning militia movement.

Kansas court records appear to indicate that Scott Roeder, accused of murdering Kansas abortion doctor James Tiller, worked for The Prophecy Club during the late 1990's when Jim Ammerman was doing speaking tours with the ministry.

As a subsequent Pentagon investigation into the retired Colonel's 1997 public speaking activities revealed, Jim Ammerman had stated, in a January 7, 1997 radio broadcast, that foreign troops were being trained at Fort Hood, in Texas. At dawn on the Fourth of July, 1997, two militia movement members were arrested, outside of Fort Hood, armed with 1600 rounds of ammunition, ready to attack the foreign troops they believed were stationed at the base.

In a September 25, 1997 letter from the office of Assistant Secretary of Defense Normand G. Lezy, concerning Ammerman's Prophecy Club tours and radio show appearances, Lezy ordered a review of the status of Jim Ammerman's chaplain endorsement agency. In the letter, Lezy wrote that "[o]f specific concern is the perception created by Mr. E.H. Jim Ammerman... that:

a. Chaplaincy Full Gospel Churches chaplains, commissioned in the Military Services, may be used and/or solicited to be used as agents to collect and convey military intelligence information for Mr. Ammerman's political purposes."

Lezy's letter also cited "Mr. Ammerman's encouragement to to affiliate with organizations considered prohibited to military personnel for reasons of their supremacist viewpoints, promoting intolerance, and being detrimental to the good order, discipline or mission accomplishment..."

The third issue of concern was "Mr. Ammerman's videotape presentation 'The Immanent Military Takeover of the USA' and his audiotaped NewsWatch radio interviews in which there is the suggestion of a military overthrow of the United States government."

During the current decade conspiracy theories, wrapped in a veneer of Biblical prophecy, alleging that "Illuminati" and "world bankers" control the US and world economy and are scheming to set up a satanic "New World Order" police-state system, have been globalized and are now distributed by Christian media over broadcast networks that can reach hundreds of millions worldwide.

San Antonio Cornerstone Church pastor John Hagee, criticized during the 2008 election when apparently anti-Jewish comments by the pastor surfaced after Hagee had endorsed GOP presidential hopeful John McCain, Jr., had by the middle of the current decade achieved a broadcast capability which could reach into the homes of up to 100 million families worldwide.

As with Jim Ammerman and James F. Linzey, Hagee has promoted, wrapped in a pretense of "Bible Prophecy", New World Order and Federal Reserve conspiracy theories which identify the Rothschild banking family as the chief foreign financial power controlling the US economy and scheming to undermine American patriotism and bankrupt the middle class by devaluing the dollar.

[Below: short documentary video explores similarity between WW2-era Nazi anti-Jewish propaganda and claims made by Pastor John Hagee, during a sermon Hagee gave in 2003]


GodTV, which broadcasts from Jerusalem and claims its networks can reach several hundred million worldwide, has recently aired a series featuring New World Order/Federal Reserve conspiracy theorists including Gary Kah and Paul McCguire. Kah's list of Jewish banking concerns he claims control the US economy is extremely similar to the lists cited by Jim Ammerman and James Linzey.

Such conspiracy theories have diffused widely through American society. A search of YouTube videos using the terms "New World Order" and "Obama" produces over 90,000 results, many of which are videos claiming President Obama is part of an alleged, grand New World Order conspiracy.

Fused with Christian supremacist narratives claiming America was founded as an explicitly Christian nation, New World Order conspiracy narratives have permeated American government and politics, and the United States military. Because the theories are disguised as Biblical prophecy they can be spread readily, to little notice from secular society.

Last August 9, 2008 during a sermon at the Sioux Falls, South Dakota Cornerstone Church Jim Ammerman declared that Barack Obama was secretly a Muslim and predicted that if the Illinois Senator won the election, "we won't have a president very long" because Muslims would try to murder the new president -- for betraying Allah. If candidate Obama chose Hillary Clinton as his vice presidential running mate and won the election, pastor Ammerman continued, Bill Clinton would arrange for Obama to be killed because "[Bill] wants back in the White House."


 
"In 2008, Ammerman implied that four presidential candidates should be "arrested, quickly tried and hanged" for not voting to designate English America's official language, and speculated that Barack ...
"In 2008, Ammerman implied that four presidential candidates should be "arrested, quickly tried and hanged" for not voting to designate English America's official language, and speculated that Barack ...
 
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I've been saying this a lot in HuffPo when I comment on posts related to the religious right, but I will say it again. A more active liberal-counter movement against organizations that spread religious fundamentalism must exist to limit the spread of dangerous ideologies that promote intolerance and violence. Progressive civil liberties/human rights groups must educate as many people as possible to reveal the lies that the religious right has been spewing to control society and gain political power. If no group will operate in the social level to stop religious fundamentalism, then graver social ills might arise sometime in the near future.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 AM on 06/28/2009
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But but but .... didn't Jesus speak American?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:59 PM on 06/27/2009

"Linzey has adopted wholesale the standard Illuminati­/Freemason conspiracy theory about the NWO featured by Patriot groups such as the John Birch Society."

The John Birch Society works against communism and the NWO. They support the Constitution and our Republic.

I urge people learn the truth about the John Birch Society from the John Birch Society. JBS.org

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:27 PM on 06/24/2009
- Bruce Wilson - Huffpost Blogger I'm a Fan of Bruce Wilson 99 fans permalink

I certainly do agree that people should check out the John Birch Society. It's a towering edifice in the world of American conspiracy culture.

But, how would you define this thing you call the 'NWO' ?

I'm asking because if the JBS Society works against the "New World Order" I would assume there's some sort of coherent and objectively verifiable definition, somewhere, of what the NWO is supposed to be. Otherwise, the JBS society might as well be fighting jello pudding, or air.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:28 PM on 06/24/2009

I wonder if these guys really are insane and actually believe this garbage, or if they are deliberately fabricating it all as a means of making money and achieving a certain amount of power.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:22 AM on 06/24/2009
- wayicit I'm a Fan of wayicit 6 fans permalink

Scary Guys! But what's more scarier is that there's people out there listening to them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:42 AM on 06/24/2009

And he has ties to DOD!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:43 AM on 06/24/2009
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The Prophesy Club makes national news? Cool!

If you like following kooky conspiracy theories you HAVE to look these guys up, cause this is just the tip of the iceberg. It may also be the scariest with a member of the armed forces publicly suggesting violence against American lawmakers, but then again, you get that every half hour on the Michale Savage show.

Hey, note that this take-over of the USA was so "Imminent" that the media it was distributed on is pretty much obsolete now. Blu-Ray is probably another plot of the Illuminati!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:50 AM on 06/24/2009
- Chris Rodda - Huffpost Blogger I'm a Fan of Chris Rodda 62 fans permalink

Oh, we definitely know this is just the tip of the iceberg, and much more will be coming out on this story. Because I work for MRFF, I've had to spend my time doing the boring administrative kind of stuff to get everything together to send to the DoD demanding that Jim Ammerman's endorsing authority be revoked, so I haven't had time to write any more on this story since my initial piece back on in May that Bruce linked to in his post. I actually called Bruce in on this way back in April when I started spotting what I recognized (from his writings) as New Apostolic "code words" in some of the stuff I was looking at, knowing that he was an expert on that movement. Bruce not only looked at that stuff, but immediately dove into this whole investigation, and thanks to him and Ruth over at Talk2Action, and the many, many hours they volunteered to put in on this over the past two months, the entire story is well on its way to getting out.

I'll be posting everything that MRFF is sending in the package that's going the DoD either later today or tomorrow, including the 1997 document calling for an investigation of Ammerman -- the investigation that, as Kathryn Joyce reported in her article at Newsweek.com, resulted in the DoD's unbelievable determination that Ammerman's Prophecy Club and other statements were within the bounds of free speech -- so stay tuned.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:12 AM on 06/24/2009
- mrh3 I'm a Fan of mrh3 38 fans permalink

This will never make the evening news. Like stolen elections "it doesn't happen here".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 PM on 06/23/2009
- deminmo I'm a Fan of deminmo 16 fans permalink

I have been saying there is a "New World Order" in the works for a long
time now. Its been a theory from the Chicago School of Economics, since
Milton Friedman's time there. Whether some politicians support or debunk
the idea, it does exist. You just need to investigate it. The real problem is
the wingnuts who use the radio and TV to start issues and sit back taking
no responsibility when someone acts on them. There is a very fine line between
"hate speech" and free speech sometimes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:14 PM on 06/23/2009
- Bruce Wilson - Huffpost Blogger I'm a Fan of Bruce Wilson 99 fans permalink

There's a big difference between globalization as a secular process, whether it's a good or bad thing, and the mainly religious NWO narrative which posits the imminent creation of a global dictatorship under an anti-Christ figure.

Wouldn't you agree ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:56 PM on 06/23/2009
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If you've been expecting the New World Order for so long, maybe you can tell me... did we ask for fries on the Order? Because I'm hungry. Or Frings, can I get a New World Take-Out Order of Frings and a Coke?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 AM on 06/24/2009
- Bruce Wilson - Huffpost Blogger I'm a Fan of Bruce Wilson 99 fans permalink

This is brilliant. Can I steal it ? Or, I'm quite happy to give attribution.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:29 PM on 06/24/2009
- SFA I'm a Fan of SFA 15 fans permalink

Why have these guys not been arrested for supporting terror. If it had been a Muslim men or organization giving money to charity V/V/remotely linked to any banned organization ,terror charges would have been brought by now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:51 PM on 06/23/2009
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Well, because they aren't dark-skinned guys playing paint ball in New York.

Here's the deal:
Guys with funny names playing paintball= terrorists
White guys threatening death to American legislators= heroes.

How much clearer could it be?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 AM on 06/24/2009

And our military leaders openly meet with these Lunatics. I think they would be worst than Osama Bin Laden, if they got the chance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:23 PM on 06/23/2009
- mad1nola I'm a Fan of mad1nola 18 fans permalink
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This is a whole lotta crazy!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:44 PM on 06/23/2009
- qthedancer I'm a Fan of qthedancer 11 fans permalink
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This is, methinks, some seriously sick sh*t.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:42 PM on 06/23/2009
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Oh my. These guys are totally wacko, huh.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:28 PM on 06/23/2009
- eyecon I'm a Fan of eyecon 8 fans permalink
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I keep hearing this Federal Reserve nonsense. People held up signs at Tea Parties and I believe that Ron Paul has embraced at least some of the underlying, unfounded conspiracy theories.

I find myself in nutbag debunking mode today (starting with Joe Farah: http://www.tips-q.com/1063197-farah-stirs-birther-pot-unobtainable-10000)

For the record, the Federal Reserve is NOT privately owned. The central bank is a US Government agency. The regional Feds are "owned" by the banks in the region. However, their stock cannot be redeemed and is valued at par should the bank withdraw or close. Moreover, any profits generated by the regional banks are returned to the treasury.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:37 PM on 06/23/2009
- Bruce Wilson - Huffpost Blogger I'm a Fan of Bruce Wilson 99 fans permalink

There aren't many people rebutting these conspiracy theories which are so toxic to democracy. My thanks for your efforts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:34 PM on 06/23/2009
- bobwalters I'm a Fan of bobwalters 26 fans permalink

You're wrong about the Federal Reserve. It is NOT a US government agency...you need to go back and read the Federal Reserve Act of 1913, which established the institution. The central bank is owned by the 13 regional Federal Reserve banks, which, in turn are owned by the regional private banks, as you noted. The ability to "redeem" the stock is irrelevant; profits are not paid to the Treasury, but are retained by the Federal Reserve system or paid out to the regional banks. The importance of the stock is not in its redemptive value, but in its voting power, which, in turn, is how monetary policy is set for the economy. It is certainly no secret as to whom the benefits of monetary policy accrue, and it sure as hell ain't ordinary citizens!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:01 PM on 06/23/2009
- mrh3 I'm a Fan of mrh3 38 fans permalink

Profit from fed loans is returned to the treasury of the USA.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 PM on 06/23/2009
- Rmath I'm a Fan of Rmath 51 fans permalink
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And these are the kooks that conservatives don't want Homeland Security to investigate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:22 PM on 06/23/2009
- Poboy I'm a Fan of Poboy 21 fans permalink

Yes.

Isn't it clear why?

They are all working together.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 PM on 06/24/2009
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