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Posted January 16, 2009 | 12:24 PM (EST)

Rick Warren Allies Distribute Anti-Jewish Comic To School Kids

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In late March 2008, as announced by Rick Warren's publicist A. Larry Ross, Uganda became the second official "Purpose Driven" nation on Earth, following Rwanda. Sometime during the year Uganda also gained the dubious distinction as a nation that distributes state-sanctioned anti-Jewish propaganda to school children. Up to one million copies of Manga Messiah, which features a basic mis-representation of Biblical scripture giving readers the impression that the Jewish Pharisees were in league with Beelzebub, will be distributed in Uganda with the apparent blessings of the Ugandan Ministry of Education and Uganda's First Lady Janet Museveni, who has participated in Rick and Kay Warren's HIV/AIDS conferences.

Following a March 2008 meeting with Janet Museveni, Rick Warren announced his plan to make Uganda the world's 2nd "Purpose Driven" nation and enthused, to an audience at Uganda's elite Makerere University, "The future of Christianity is not Europe or North America, but Africa, Asia and Latin America." Warren's declaration was followed up by Uganda's Archbishop, Henry Orombi, under whose aegis the Church of Uganda intends to distribute ten million anti-Jewish comic books; "Someday we will have a purpose driven continent!"

As Christian Comics International reports,

On their trip to Uganda, NEXT representatives met with church and government officials including the Minister of Education, the Minister of Ethics and Integrity, and the First Lady. Everywhere, state officials celebrated the work the NEXT team had done on Manga Messiah and expressed excitement over the educational and spiritual value these books could bring to the youth of Uganda.

There is no indication so far that Rick Warren is aware of the comic's distribution, but the globally influential evangelist has attached his "Purpose Driven" brand name and reputation to Uganda, which is distributing Manga Messiah in mass quantity through the official apparatus of the Ugandan state, which is slated to provide Uganda's school children with one million copies of the Manga comic--apparently as an adjunct of Uganda's literacy program

Rick Warren has been recently cited for repeatedly, in public appearances and in print, calling on Christians to be as dedicated to Jesus as were Hitler youth in Munich stadium who spelled out in mass formation with their bodies, "Hitler we are yours!" before the leader of the Third Reich, whose movement 'nearly took the world' according to Warren. Adolf Hitler played a leading role in instigating a world conflict that claimed 55 million lives, and Warren's public admiration of the blind devotion of young Germans for Hitler at the very least raises a question about the Purpose Driven pastor's sensitivity to Jewish memories of the Holocaust.

The ( Anglican ) Church of Uganda appears to be intent on entering the anti-Semitic literature distribution business on an even larger scale. NEXT, Inc., which distributes Manga Messiah, has reported the Church of Uganda requested ten million copies of the comic: enough to provide, along with the Ugandan state distribution to school children, to almost fifty percent of Uganda's entire population.

The distribution of Manga Messiah in Uganda is an especially notable attempt to flood a country with anti-Semitic literature but reports from NEXT, Inc. indicate Manga Messiah has also been distributed in mass quantity in Guatemala, Ecuador, Spain and the Philippines.

According to Political Research Associates' senior analyst Chip Berlet, Manga Messiah is "[a] colorful comic training manual for motivating young leaders of the next pogrom against Jews. Not just offensive -- ghastly and horrific in content with a clear enemy scapegoat identified for venting apocalyptic religious bigotry."

Chip Berlet is not alone in his assessment that Manga Messiah betrays an ugly anti-Jewish slant. As a story by journalist Tom Baker, published  June 28, 2008 in central California's Modesto Bee, quoted Japanese popular culture scholar Prof. Deborah Shamoon of Notre Dame University, "I think the representation of Jews is appalling."

The visual depiction of characters in Manga Messiah seems to fall into two basic categories. 'sympathetic' characters, shown with traditionally tiny, triangular Manga-style noses and light complexion, and the Pharisees, shown with large hooked and bulbous noses and swarthy complexions, typically depicted as angry, vindictive or violent. In Manga Messiah, Jesus Christ is drawn in the 'sympathetic' style, thus giving readers of the comic the impression that he not related to the Pharisees or ethnically semitic.

[note: the following cartoon images in this story are from Manga Messiah ]

That treatment of Jesus can be classed as within an anti-Semitic historical revisionist tendency which has attempted to rewrite Christianity, stripping away its Jewish origin and even claiming Jesus had an 'aryan" ethnic background. In The Aryan Jesus: Christian Theologians and The Bible in Nazi Germany, scholar Susannah Heschel examines the work of the "Institute For The Study and Eradication of Jewish Influence On German Church Life". Heschel describes, in the introduction to her book, that institute's work: "The Institute's goals were both political and theological. Seeking to create a dejudaized church for a Germany that was in process of ridding Europe of all Jews, it developed a new biblical interpretation and liturgical materials. In the six years of its existence, as the Nazi regime carried out its genocide of the Jews, the Institute redefined Christianity as a Germanic religion whose founder, Jesus, has fought valiantly to destroy Judaism, falling victim to that struggle. Germans were now called on to be the victors in Jesus's own struggle against the Jews, who were said to be seeking Germany's destruction."

Manga Messiah both presents an ugly caricature of Jewish ethnicity and and depicts Jesus as non-semitic. But the comic also twists Biblical scripture in a highly deceptive manner which associates the Jewish Pharisees with the devil, represented in Manga Messiah by Beelzebub.

The association of Jews with the devil, and the depiction of Jews as human-devil hybrids with demonic features such as horns, is one of the oldest and most enduring forms of anti-Jewish attacks. It may be the earliest of anti-Jewish memes and traces back to at least to the second century A.D., predating even one of the most outspoken early Christian purveyors of anti-Jewish invective, St. John Chrysostom.

After the Holocaust, Christian theologians made a concerted effort to avoid the sort of Biblical exegesis that associated Jews with Satan. Part of the earlier approach was to conflate the Pharisees, who at the time were one particular religious tendency within Judaism, with Jews generally. Manga Messiah appears to be a reversion to that earlier, distorted presentation.  

Senior Analyst Chip Berlet further characterized "Manga Messiah," currently sold at Barnes and Noble bookstores which, according to Berlet,

Portrays a version of reading Biblical text about the crucifixion of Christ rejected by most Christians for decades--especially since the Nazi genocide of Jews.

Many readers of the Bible's New Testament will recognize the jibes from the jeering crowd as coming from Jewish chief priests, elders, scribes, and Pharisees. If readers don't know the references, the Bible verses cited below the images can be consulted to make clear the Jewish identity of the bloodthirsty crowd taunting Jesus.

These images of Jews as the Christ killers make Mel Gibson's "The Passion of the Christ" hideous snuff movie seem tame in comparison."

In 1996, a press release from the Jewish Anti-Defamation League stated,

"After the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) raised concerns about what appeared to be horns on a porcelain figurine of Moses, the manufacturer apologized "for any misunderstanding" and told ADL it now has "a new Moses figurine" in the 1996 brochure. The League praised the Spanish company, LLADRO, for its prompt, responsive action."

The ADL had complained about a 16 inch ceramic porcelain figurine of Moses that appeared to have horns. As the ADL explained,

"As you may know, for centuries the archetypal anti-Semitic image was that of a Jew depicted as a demonic creature complete with horns. Lladro's apparent portrayal of Moses perpetuates this pernicious image."

In the New Testament Book of Matthew, 12:24, Matthew describes the Pharisees as accusing Jesus, who was healing people by casting out, exorcising that is, their demons, of performing this exorcisms with the aid of Beelzebub, commonly taken to represent Satan.

But Manga Messiah's depiction presents to readers a wildly different pictorial narrative, by showing a glowering Pharisee, with a towering Beelzebub behind him as if a personal bodyguard, telling Jesus that he cannot possibly cast out demons without Beelzebub's aid. The difference is crucial. The visual import clearly tells readers the Pharisee is in league with the Beelzebub and it is reasonable also to infer from the presentation that the Pharisee himself relies on Beelzebub for help in casting out demons.

As Tyndale House, producer of the Manga-style comic states, Manga Messiah,

Has become a huge hit with American teens and tweens. Manga has emerged as the most popular comics category and is one of the fastest growing genres in American publishing. Appealing to kids and adults, readers will find this edgy rendition of the Gospel accounts both compelling and highly engaging. This authentic, cutting-edge art style is combined with fast-paced storytelling to deliver biblical truths to an ever-changing culture that is often a challenge to penetrate.

As a story on Manga Messiah put out by the Queensland, Australia Queensland Uniting Church describes, in Manga Bible series goes global, the comic seems to have been first conceived of as an evangelizing tool for reaching Japanese citizens but was not well received in Japan:

Roald Lidal, general director of New Life League, a non-denominational publishing venture based in Kumai, Saitama, north of Tokyo, told  Ecumenical News International, "It all started many years ago with a desire to reach out to Japanese."...

Originally published in Japanese and then translated into English, more than 1 million copies of its first volume,  Manga Messiah, have now been printed in 9 languages. They include Tagalog, Indonesian, Norwegian, Danish, Portuguese, Spanish and French in addition to Japanese and English. It is planned to publish the Manga Messiah in a further 10 languages...

...Lidal said, however, that the series is "not as hot an item in Japan as it is in other countries".

New Life League, Japan, was founded in 1954 by the American missionary Fred Jarvis, as a "non-denominational literature ministry", near Tokyo, which focuses on the mass distribution of Bibles. According to Adventive Cross Cultural Initiatives, a ministry effort that grew out of New Life League, Japan (NLLJ), NLLJ produces "more than three hundred tons of Christian literature a month."

Manga Messiah has received somewhat mixed reviews. As a one writer Manga Life concludes,

its audience will probably be limited to Christian teens who like seeing the Bible stories they hear in church illustrated in the style of popular manga (B+). Anyone else will probably not be too interested

However, the Christian teen demographic that Manga Messiah might reach ranges in magnitude from between tens of millions upwards to hundreds of millions globally and although its likely that only a small fraction of that group will be exposed to Manga Messiah they will be exposed to one of the most enduring accusations in the cannon of anti-Jewish invective since the birth of Christianity: the claim that Jews are plotting, in league with the devil, to destroy the Christian faith. (see images at end of story, below

As I wrote late last May 2008 at the Huffington Post, in a prior story about Manga Messiah, "For several years now, I have been tracking and studying the covert aspects of Christian Zionism... [the publication of Manga Messiah] suggests the historically covert anti-Semitism within American Christian Zionist culture is mutating, changing and entering a new phase: the anti-Semitism is becoming overt."

From one perspective, Uganda is not a surprising country in which to find a concerted effort to spread anti-Jewish animosity. The former Ugandan dictator Idi Amin, a Muslim, successfully forced nearly the entire population of Jewish Ugandans out of the country, mainly to Israel. But the wholesale quantity of copies of Manga Messiah flowing to the central African authoritarian nation is not an organic expression of upwelling anti-Jewish attitudes among common Ugandans; anti-Semitic attitudes are being incited by the Ugandan government and the Ugandan Anglican Church.

Beyond anti-Jewish attitudes, Ugandan Christian religious leaders are promoting anti-gay attitudes and regressive, anti-science social policies. In a recent story by journalist Max Blumenthal, which covered Rick Warren's support for Uganda's turn to abstinence-only education, and a subsequent increase in the Ugandan HIV/AIDS rate, Blumenthal described in Uganda a ferociously anti-gay climate, fed by Ugandan politicians and religious leaders and incited by an activist tied to Rick Warren, pastor Martin Ssempa.

As Rabbi Eric Yoffie, leader of the largest branch of American Judaism, reminded an American Jewish audience of over 5,000 in November 2005,"We cannot forget that when Hitler came to power in 1933, one of the first things that he did was ban gay organizations," Yoffie said. "Yes, we can disagree about gay marriage. But there is no excuse for hateful rhetoric that fuels the hellfires of anti-gay bigotry." Proposed legislation currently before the Ugandan legislature, likely exceeding the severity of pre-World War Two Nazi anti-gay laws, would make it a crime simply to be gay in Uganda, even for the sexually abstinent.




 
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- AhnAmuru I'm a Fan of AhnAmuru 10 fans permalink
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Briefly, & I'm disappointed that my last comment was ignored by HF.

1. RW, in the view of a great many Ugandans, is seen as just some white guy who pops up with comics once in a while and makes bombastic pronouncements - he's a joke.

2. Regarding his Philanthropy on HIV Aids, the policy framework was made in 1986 by Uganda's government, everyone else joined as a "strategic partner" from the year 2000 onwards - Bill Gates, Bill Clinton, the Global Fund etc... If one RW shows up and piggybacks on the success of the Uganda Government, so be it.

3. What bugs me is the irresponsible author of this irresponsible article who seems quite adept at stirring the rabble. When a person in a poisition of some influence callously portrays a nation or a people as anti-semitic (with a few disclaimers buried in the text, but still propagates such a narrative) ; his disdain for anti-semitism is mitigated by his obvious xenophobia and racism - he is still a hater.

4. Final thought, should Ugandan school kids be indicted for reading bible stories; then by the same standard US school kids, the government and school boards should be indicted for incorporating Huckleberry Fin, the most profoundly immoral rationalization of slavery (genocide & crimes against humanity), in any school syllabus by passing it off as literature.

That's the deal!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 PM on 01/18/2009

For what it's worth, I don't think that there was any intention to attack Uganda. The author obviously just wants to attack Warren and doesn't really care who he hurts in the process.

I too had my post ignored. I don't like Warren's politics, but neither do I like false attacks. This article is misleading, and in my post I stated why. I guess why doesn't matter.

By the way, you are wrong about Huck Finn.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 AM on 01/20/2009

Why, oh why, does the whole world's people seem to hate one another? When 'Jesus' was said to preach the gospel of 'LOVE'?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:03 PM on 01/17/2009
- pons1595 I'm a Fan of pons1595 7 fans permalink
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Whether gay or straight, one must condemn a man who harms his fellow man because of his own self-delusional beliefs.

Warren’s defense against charges of intolerance ultimately depends upon his ace card: his heavily publicized crusade against AIDS in Africa...Axelrod cited Warren’s work in Africa as one of “the things on which they agree” on 12/28 episode of Meet the Press. Warren may be opposed to gay rights and abortion, the thinking goes, but he tells evangelicals it is their God-given duty to battle one of the greatest pandemics in history. What could be wrong with that?

But since the controversy erupted, the nature of work against AIDS in Africa has gone unexamined. Warren has not been forthcoming to those who have attempted to look into it. His website contains scant information about the results of his program. However, an investigation reveals a web of alliances with right-wing clergymen who have sidelined science-based approaches to combating AIDS in favor of abstinence-only education. More disturbingly, Warren’s allies have rolled back key elements of one of the continent’s most successful initiative, the so-called ABC program in Uganda. Stephen Lewis, the United Nations’ special envoy for HIV/AIDS in Africa, told the New York Times their activism is “resulting in great damage and undoubtedly will cause significant numbers of infections which should never have occurred.”

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-01-07/the-truth-about-rick-warren-in-africa/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 PM on 01/17/2009
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WTF!

The "Hit/ler youth" were NOT dedicated to Hit/ler .... THEY WERE FORCED TO BE MEMBERS, TAKEN FROM THEIR HOMES AND FORCED!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:01 PM on 01/17/2009
- tantrictim I'm a Fan of tantrictim 30 fans permalink
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this guy reminds me of jerry falwell urging supporters to buy krugerrands to support the south african apartheid regime...very pathetic and unchristian to say the least

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:53 AM on 01/17/2009
- AhnAmuru I'm a Fan of AhnAmuru 10 fans permalink
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This is getting way out of hand! A little incitement and see what shows crawls out of the spaces.

In response to "rockyersocksoff", and I'm not pleased to be dignifying his comments, he trivializes the honest effort of others, not surprizing with a name like that!

RW's branding of music for a particular audience is simply that. Couldn't it also be argued conversely that he also puts together a yee - yaw - yah ensemble for the " newworld pagan savages"? (And I mean that in the present tense).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:40 AM on 01/17/2009
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This just in:

Rick Warren's Purpose-Driven Records is producing a cd of Inspirational music for select African countries in his Purpose-Driven "Lift The Savages" Ministry.

Said spokeswoman Sunny Chains:

"Using the age-old good-time religious themes of "Satan created the Jews" and "Isis and Osiris were Gay Liberals," the opus will also feature the ooga-booga rhythms and "uban-style rapping" that so appeals to the childlike Unsaved of the Dark Continent. Praise be to the White Jesus!"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:48 AM on 01/17/2009
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too much anger & loathing in the world ...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:01 PM on 01/17/2009
- AhnAmuru I'm a Fan of AhnAmuru 10 fans permalink
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I'm from Uganda & found this article rather obtuse. In grinding his axe with RW, the writer picks the most attenuated link and lauches a diatribe - bashing & demonizing Uganda, Ugandans and Uganda's image. That's easy, he's probably never been there! Another "armchair expert".

He develops a narrative, insulting to Ugandans, insinuating that Uganda has an implicitly anti-semitic tradition solely based on the deeds of Idi Amin. Again, guilt was association. Is he aware of how Uganda got rid of Idi Amin? Does he know who Idi Amin's most ardent initial supporters were? Probably not.

I suggest that the writer take up the issue with the publisher rather than "indict" little Ugandan school children for reading bible stories. Conversely, if his logic is to be pursued, the same standard should apply to other works of authorship. Specifically, a book like HUCKLEBERRY FIN, which is widely available and even taught in US schools, brimming with overt and subtle racist innotaions & connotations, must not be allowed near school kids anywhere - period!

Let me guess, it's "literature"!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 AM on 01/17/2009
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You being from Uganda and all, what do you feel about RW claiming your country as one of his "purpose-driving countries"?

It really smacks of colonialism, don't you think?

And what do you think about RW, an American evangelist, having such close relations to Uganda's leaders? Don't you worry that he, like Pat Robertson, will be gaining access to Uganda's resources through this liason?

And what about the CIA's links to all of this? What do you know about their actions in Uganda?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:50 PM on 01/17/2009

Apparently you have not read Huckleberry Finn. It is a scathing indictment of racism.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:12 PM on 01/17/2009

I'm really confused. You protest that the blogger is picking on school children and calling regular Ugandan citizens anti-semites, but the following is from the article above:
"But the wholesale quantity of copies of Manga Messiah flowing to the central African authoritarian nation is not an organic expression of upwelling anti-Jewish attitudes among common Ugandans; anti-Semitic attitudes are being incited by the Ugandan government and the Ugandan Anglican Church."
The writer is saying that it is NOT an organic anti-Jewish attitude among common Ugandans. Did you carelessly read this, because I can't find anything to support your post.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:18 PM on 01/17/2009
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This is how I see it:

1. The Uganda government is behind this antisemitic effort.
2. Rick Warren works closely with the Ugandan government.
3. Rick Warren calls Uganda one of HIS two "purpose-driven countries."
4. Rick Warren is a dominionist (look this up if you don't know what this means).
5. Dominionists are, by their definition and practice, antisemitic.
6. Rick Warren has successfully worked to take equal rights away from GLBTs (which fits with dominion theology, as does antisemitism).
7. RW's right-hand man in Africa not only publishes the name of GLBTs, he is working to pass laws that require them being imprisoned.

--and, finally--

8. Barak Obama, the incoming president of the United States, has chosen RW for a very prominent position, that of giving invocation, and has clung to that choice even with the outrage voiced by so many Americans.

I think that:
A. You should be very concerned about what RW is doing, because if he can take away the rights of GLBTs, he can take away your rights, too.
B. You should be concerned about Obama being obviously obviously committed to promoting RW and his beliefs to America and the world.
C. Obama may not be willing to stand up for your rights if RW decides to take them away.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:36 PM on 01/17/2009
- ceti I'm a Fan of ceti 8 fans permalink
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Yeah, most people don't remember that Idi Amin was trained in Israel, did Britain's dirty work against nationalist uprisings in Africa, and that Israel and Britain supported him when he staged his coup.

Anyways, this article is trying to bring in the anti-semitism angle to crticize Warren and the Uganda government, when they can be heavily criticized on any number of other issue. It's a good strategy -- any charge of anti-semitism definitely provokes the most controversy in the Western press, whereas legimate, well documented charges of homophobia may fail to raise eyebrows, even the most tenuous accusations of anti-semitism will.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:03 PM on 01/18/2009
- LMPE I'm a Fan of LMPE 64 fans permalink

Trying to force anti-Semitism onto Africans, is he? Considering that Jews - namely Helen Suzman - were among the most forceful anti-Apartheid activists, the people of Uganda need to think long and hard about Warren's claims.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:46 AM on 01/17/2009
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Warren is a dominionist. Dominionists are antisemitic. This is no secret. Dominionists believe it is their right to impose their own belief system on the world. Usually this is the Old Testament, which is truly a cruel and vicious piece of work. They believe that their beliefs should be the law of the land, in all countries.

Christian Reconstructionists are dominionists. CRs have taken dominionism mainstream now, and you can see it's impact in the way that our laws and public policies are being changed, INCLUDING denying equal rights to GLBTs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:40 PM on 01/17/2009
- little I'm a Fan of little 2 fans permalink

Awesome, HuffPo is doing the same thing Fox did to Obama with the Rev. Wright issue! Guilt by association. Very nice!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 AM on 01/17/2009
- TheBlackCat I'm a Fan of TheBlackCat 251 fans permalink
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Agreed

Guilt by association is a dirty businesses. If there's no indication Warren was even aware of the existance of this book, how can he be held accountable for it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:11 AM on 01/17/2009
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Well, then, why doesn't someone ask him about it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:00 PM on 01/17/2009
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This is not "guilt by association." He has close contacts to the countries' leaderships, and has worked closely with them.

He claims the two countries are his two "purpose-driven countries." It would be the height of irresponsibility not to know that the "purpose" being "driven" in these countries was antisemitism.

RW has tied himself to these two countries by his bragging about them being under his brand. He can't have it both ways. Either he has such a strong impact on those countries that he can claim they are his "purpose-driven" countries, or he doesn't.

Unfortunately, antisemitism is the same kind of b i g o try RW has already shown against GLBTs, and in Africa his right-hand man has published the names of gay people and is working to require imprisonment of gay people.

You see, it really is just a continuation of RW's policies here in America. It is quite clear what his "purpose" in "purpose-driven" is, and it is definitely un-Christian..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:55 PM on 01/17/2009
- smilodon1 I'm a Fan of smilodon1 7 fans permalink

Religion is so WONDERFUL! At least atheists don't practice religious hatred.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:12 PM on 01/16/2009
- llisa I'm a Fan of llisa 28 fans permalink

Amen.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 AM on 01/17/2009
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Instead, atheists practice hatred of Religion. And in many cases, also Freedom ( e.g. Stalin, Mao, Castro )

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:52 AM on 01/17/2009
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Shall we say that Jeffrey Dahmer, baptized in a Christian church, represents all Christians?

Atheists in America want what the Constitution provides: equal rights for all Americans, and freedom from religion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:57 PM on 01/17/2009
- springsm I'm a Fan of springsm 51 fans permalink

We are talking about Rick Warren, who does want to be known I think, as the saving grace of hypocritical christianity...do not paint all christians with this warped brush. I resent Rick Warren but Obama has given him a voice beyond measure and RW can hear the "Kachink, Kachink".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:10 AM on 01/17/2009
- Felicty I'm a Fan of Felicty 31 fans permalink
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Why do these professional christians focus on hating so much?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:46 PM on 01/16/2009
- roch20 I'm a Fan of roch20 26 fans permalink
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I don't know about you, but in my mind, this Warren thing will always be "The First Obama Fuc% Up Decision", period!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:57 PM on 01/16/2009
- djsi I'm a Fan of djsi permalink

Ok so we're doing guilt by association now after we condemned it in the election?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:46 PM on 01/16/2009
- NWBrunette I'm a Fan of NWBrunette 59 fans permalink

Read the article. This is way more than guilt by association. He inspired it and he makes money off it. Do I hear him demanding his people stop it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:30 AM on 01/17/2009
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He inspired it? Really? I see no proof of that. Stop grasping at straws.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:14 PM on 01/17/2009

Isn't this the same guilt by association that those guys played on us? C'mon HuffPo, we are better than this. We've been in power for not even a day yet and we're using their playbook.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:57 PM on 01/16/2009
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