Bruce Wilson

Bruce Wilson

Posted: September 7, 2008 12:22 PM

Sarah Palin's Churches and The Third Wave: New Video Documentary

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[ Update: documentation (sourcing) on video clips used in the following video documentary, plus supporting documentation on the Third Wave movement, can be found here at Talk To Action ]

Sarah Palin's churches are actively involved in a resurgent movement that was declared heretical by the Assemblies of God in 1949. This is the same 'Spiritual Warfare' movement that was featured in the award winning movie, "Jesus Camp," which showed young children being trained to do battle for the Lord. At least three of four of Palin's churches are involved with major organizations and leaders of this movement, which is referred to as The Third Wave of the Holy Spirit or the New Apostolic Reformation. The movement is training a young "Joel's Army" to take dominion over the United States and the world.

Along with her entire family, Sarah Palin was re-baptized at twelve at the Wasilla Assembly of God in Wasilla, Alaska and she attended the church from the time she was ten until 2002: over two and 1/2 decades. Sarah Palin's extensive pattern of association with the Wasilla Assembly of God has continued nearly up to the day she was picked by Senator John McCain as a vice-presidential running mate. Palin's dedication to the Wasilla church is indicated by a Saturday, September 7, 2008, McClatchy news service story detailing possibly improper use of state travel funds by Palin for a trip she made to Wasilla, Alaska to attend, on June 8, 2008, both a Wasilla Assembly of God "Masters Commission" graduation ceremony and also a multi-church Wasilla area event known as "One Lord Sunday." At the latter event, Palin and Alaska LT Governor Scott Parnell were publicly blessed, onstage before an estimated crowd of 6,000, through the "laying on of hands" by Wasilla Assembly of God's Head Pastor Ed Kalnins whose sermons espouse such theological concepts as the possession of geographic territories by demonic spirits and the inter-generational transmission of family "curses". Palin has also been blessed, or "anointed," by an African cleric, prominent in the Third Wave movement, who has repeatedly visited the Wasilla Assembly of God and claims to have effected positive, dramatic social change in a Kenyan town by driving out a "spirit of witchcraft."

The Wasilla Assembly of God church is deeply involved with both Third Wave activities and theology. Their Master's Commission program is part of an three year post-high school international training program with studies in prophecy, intercessory prayer, Biblical exegesis, authority and leadership. The pastor, Ed Kalnins, and Masters Commission students have traveled to South Carolina to participate in a "prophetic conference" at Morningstar Ministries, one of the major ministries of the Third Wave movement. Becky Fischer was a pastor at Morningstar prior to being featured in the movie "Jesus Camp." The head of prophecy at Morningstar, Steve Thompson, is currently scheduled to do a prophecy seminar at the Wasilla Assembly of God. Other major leaders in the movement have also traveled to Wasilla to visit and speak at the church.

The Third Wave is a revival of the theology of the Latter Rain tent revivals of the 1950s and 1960s led by William Branham and others. It is based on the idea that in the end times there will be an outpouring of supernatural powers on a group of Christians that will take authority over the existing church and the world. The believing Christians of the world will be reorganized under the Fivefold Ministry and the church restructured under the authority of Prophets and Apostles and others anointed by God. The young generation will form "Joel's Army" to rise up and battle evil and retake the earth for God.

While segments of this belief system have been a part of Pentecostalism and charismatic beliefs for decades, the excesses of this movement were declared a heresy in 1949 by the General Council of the Assemblies of God, and again condemned through Resolution 16 in 2000. The beliefs and manifestations of the movement include the use of 'strategic level spiritual warfare' to expel territorial demons from American and world cities. Worship includes excessive charismatic manifestations such as hundreds of people falling, 'slain in the spirit,' and congregations laughing, jerking, and shrieking uncontrollably.

In early 2008 an outbreak of those phenomena commenced at the palatial former ministry estate of Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker, recently bought up and restored by prominent Third Wave author and leader Rick Joyner's Morningstar Ministries. The (spiritual) "breakout" lasted for many weeks and was publicized in an extensive collection of video footage available on YouTube. Healing services in the Third Wave movement claim to heal the sick and injured through methods that in some cases can appear bizarre - including, as in recent cases involving Todd Bentley, the patient being head butted or kicked by the anointed healer. Recipients of such "spiritual" or miraculous healing make a wide range of astonishing claims - to have been cured of life-threatening illnesses, had joints repaired or replaced, been given gold teeth or gold fillings, regrown stunted limbs and even had deformed skeletal structures straightened and reshaped. Worldwide mission efforts of the movement are built around the idea of combating witches, warlocks, and generational curses, which prevent churches from being able to take root.

Thomas Muthee visited Wasilla Assembly of God and gave 10 consecutive sermons at the church, from October 11-16 2005. As both Palin and Wasilla AoG Head Pastor Ed Kalnins have attested, Thomas Muthee 'prayed over' Sarah Palin and entreated God to "make a way" prior to Palin's successful bid for the Alaska governorship. Muthee made a return visit to the Wasilla Assembly of God in late 2008. Thomas Muthee's Word of Faith Church is featured in the "Transformations" video which details an account on how Muthee drove "the spirit of witchcraft" out of Kiambu, Kenya, liberating the town from its territorial demonic possession and enabling a miraculous societal transformation. The "Transformations" video set is used as an argument for social improvement through spiritual instead of human means, and as the best method for fighting corruption, crime, drugs and even environmental degradation.

In the video, producer George Otis declares that after Thomas Muthee and his followers banished the "spirit of witchcraft" from the town, the crime rate in Kiambu dropped almost to zero, along with the rate of alcoholism, and according to Otis most of the residents of the town joined churches. The "Transformations" video has helped spark a network of 'Transformation' ministries and mission organizations and 'transformation' has become a buzz word for change based on supernatural instead of human efforts.

The Third Wave, also known as the New Apostolic Reformation, is a network of Apostles, many of them grouped around C. Peter Wagner, founder of the World Prayer Center. This center, which was built in coordination with Ted Haggard and his New Life Church in Colorado Springs, was featured in an article by Jeff Sharlet in Harpers, May 2005, "Soldiers of Christ." Sharlet was one of the first to write in the secular press about the World Prayer Center which is often referred to by those familiar with the Third Wave as the 'Pentagon for Spiritual Warfare.' It features computer systems that store the data of communities around the world, mapping out unsaved peoples' groups and spiritual mapping information for spiritual warfare. Wagner has his own group of about 500 Apostles in his council and each of these Apostles has ministries under their authority, sometimes hundreds or thousands. Recently various networks of Apostles came together to form the Revival Alliance. Leaders of the Revival Alliance including Rick Joyner of Morningstar anointed Todd Bentley whose Lakeland Healing Revival has recently been a controversial topic in the Evangelical world.

Wagner's top leaders often conduct spiritual warfare campaigns against the demons that block the acceptance of their brand of Christian belief, such as 'Operation Ice Castle' in the Himalayas in 1997. Several of their top prophets and generals of intercession spent weeks in intensive prayer to "confront the Queen of Heaven." This queen is considered by them to be one of the most powerful demons over the earth and is the Great Harlot of Mystery Babylon in Revelation. (The "Great Harlot [or 'whore'] of Mystery Babylon" theme also figures prominently in the sermons of Texas megachurch pastor and Christians United For Israel founder John Hagee, former endorser of John McCain's 2008 presidential bid.) Wagner and his group also claim that the Queen of Heaven is Diana, the pagan god of the biblical book Ephesians and the god of Mary veneration in the Roman Catholic Church. Following the 'Operation Ice Castle' prayer excursion which included planting a flag for Jesus on Mt. Everest, one of the lead prayer intercessors from the excursion, Ana Mendez, reported that there had been dramatic results including, "millions have come to faith in Asia... and other things happened which I believe are also connected...an earthquake had destroyed the basilica of Assisi, where the Pope had called a meeting of all world religions; a hurricane destroyed the infamous temple 'Baal-Christ' in Acapulco, Mexico; the Princes Diana died... and Mother Theresa died in India, one of the most famous advocates of Mary as Co-Redeemer."

Church of the Rock, led by Senior Pastor David Pepper, has taken their youth to participate in 'The Call, Nashville.' This event is held at various locations around the country under the leadership of Lou Engle, also featured in the movie "Jesus Camp." At these events youth are worked into a frenzy of anger and consternation at supposed national moral corruption. Engle, who shuffles while he preaches in imitation of Jewish prayer, is featured toward the end of the "Jesus Camp" video documentary.

Mike Rose, senior pastor of Juneau Christian Center has a long relationship with Rodney Howard -Browne, credited with being the instigator of the outbreak of 'Holy Laughter' around the world, including the Toronto Airport Revival.

The Third Wave movement is cross-denomination and is not synonymous with any specific denomination, nor is it synonymous with Evangelical or Fundamentalist. Although the movement emerged from Pentecostalism, it draws its support from a variety of denominations and religious streams. They believe they are forming a post-denominational church to take the world for the end times. To date, all of the writing and objections to this movement have emerged from other Evangelicals and Fundamentalists who believe the movement to be unbiblical. Also, it is other conservative churches that refuse to embrace the 'outpouring of the Spirit' that are targets of much of the anger of the movement.

You can find more information on the Third Wave movement and additional links to the activities of Palin's churches on www.Talk2action.org in the following articles:


Sarah Palin's Churches and the Third Wave, Part One

Sarah Palin's Churches and the Third Wave, Part Two (with embedded video.)

The video is also posted here.

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Documentation of the Video and Supporting Articles
Sarah Palin's Churches and the Third Wave
Also posted as Palin's Demon Haunted Churches

Video Clips
(Note that all video clips are taken from original sources or sources promoting and supporting the Third Wave/New Apostolic Reformation.)

Bishop Thomas Muthee
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBvxWl7jXr0
Transformations I, Trailer
George Otis, Sentinel Group

Morningstar Ministries clips including cellphone anointing, portal to Jesus
http://www.prophetic.tv/morningstar/
Holy Spirit Breakout Day # 1 and 2, Day #9, and Week #15
On Prophetic TV, Morningstar Ministries full Breakout series

Wasilla Master's Commission
http://www.mcwasillaalaska.com/
Main website with links to Master's Commission, Master's Commission videos and photos

Wasilla AoG bulletin graphics, Wasilla AoG sermons, Wasilla AoG videos
http://www.wasillaag.org/
Wasilla Assembly of God main site clips used:

Music repeated in video and sermon with chants of `Jesus, Jesus'
Wasilla AoG sermon by Pastor Todd Stafford, "In Desperate Times", January 15, 2007.

Master's Commission Graduation Ceremony, June 8, 2008
Sarah Palin giving Master's Commission speech
Posted on the Wasilla AoG site on June 8, 2008

Anointing of Leaders from auxiliary site
http://app.razorplanet.com/acct/40149-8554/tmpl/index.php?s=gl&am p;nid=53521&preview=true
From Wasilla AoG links to site

Quote about demonic strongholds and generational curses
Ed Kalnins, sermon, September 26, 2004
http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:gF16SYYnXC0J:www.wasillaag.n et/2004.html+Kalnins,Canaanite&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1& ;gl=us

Lou Engle, Rick Joyner from Underground
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7sSZ7Ux3Hg
Underground by www.underthethreshold
Production of Brian Wages, Music/Art Director, Oakleaf Christian Fellowship

Photos at Our Hand at Youth Conference 2008
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile& amp;friendID=49580719
Photos posted on site of Wasilla AoG staff member, Buster Barlow

`One Lord Sunday'
http://gov.state.ak.us/large_photo.php?id=153
Event photos from Wasilla AoG posted on Alaska State Government website

[ Update: documentation (sourcing) on video clips used in the following video documentary, plus supporting documentation on the Third Wave movement, can be found here at Talk To Action ] ...
[ Update: documentation (sourcing) on video clips used in the following video documentary, plus supporting documentation on the Third Wave movement, can be found here at Talk To Action ] ...
 
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i find this much more horrifying then anything the republicans have against obama these guys are just as bad as the Muslim extremists in iraq

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:57 PM on 09/29/2008

There's a certain irony in ANY Christian church calling itself the "Morningstar" Ministry.

"Lucifer is a name frequently given to Satan in Christian belief. This usage stems from a particular interpretation, as a reference to a fallen angel, of a passage in the Bible (Isaiah 14:3-20) that speaks of someone who is given the name of "Day Star" or "Morning Star" (in Latin, Lucifer) as fallen from heaven.

In Latin, the word "Lucifer", meaning "Light-Bringer" (from lux, lucis, "light", and ferre, "to bear, bring"), is a name for the "Morning Star" (the planet Venus in its dawn appearances; cf. Romanian Luceafăr). The Latin Vulgate version of the Bible used this word twice to refer to the Morning Star: once in 2 Peter 1:19 to translate the Greek word "Φωσφόρος" (Phosphoros), which has exactly the same literal meaning of "Light-Bringer" that "Lucifer" has in Latin; and once in Isaiah 14:12 to translate "הילל" (Hêlēl), which also means "Morning Star". In the latter passage the title of "Morning Star" is given to the tyrannous Babylonian king, who the prophet says is destined to fall. This passage was later applied to the prince of the demons, and so the name "Lucifer" came to be used for Satan, and was popularized in works such as Dante's Inferno and Milton's Paradise Lost, but for English speakers the greatest influence has been its use in the King James Version for what more modern English versions translate as "Morning Star" or "Day Star".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:54 PM on 09/24/2008
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How many times did Pastor "Witch Hunter" Muthee visit Palin's church, and who paid the airfare?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:19 PM on 09/19/2008

In the past, Pastor Muthee has preached at the Wasilla Assembly of God a total of 10 times. However, mp3s of his sermons have recently been removed from the Church's site.

Pastor Muthee is scheduled to preach at the Wasilla Assembly of God this very evening at 7:00pm, local time. He is scheduled to preach there a total of 7 times on Saturday, Sunday and Monday:

Saturday, September 20th at 7:00pm
Sunday September 21st at 10:00am and 6:00pm
Monday, September 22nd, at 8:00am, 9:30am, 10:45am and 6:00pm

http://wasillaag.org/index.php?s=au&nid=3731&news_id=8066

If you would like a small taste of Pastor Muthee's preaching style, listen to this 43 second excerpt on YouTube:

Pastor Muthee promotes using violence to spread Christianity
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsnrIVj9IbM

For the complete sermon, entitled "Guarding Your Well" as well as a second sermon
entitled "Guarding Your Field", go to the following site of KingsGate Community
Church, Scotland:

http://www.kingsgateuk.com/Articles/3516/Kingsgate_Community_Church/Resources/Teaching/Download_Sunday_Messages.aspx

Muthee's sermons are toward the bottom. Best to search his name. There are more than
100 sermons listed there. The links are to mp3s.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:28 PM on 09/20/2008

I found a video of Pastor Muthee's own description of the spiritual battle that he waged against the "witch" Mama Jane which you may find interesting. His story is one of four in a one hour long video produced by the Sentinel Group, an evangelical video production outfit. His account is prefaced with Sarah Palin crediting Pastor Muthee with fervently praying over her in 2005 when she was running for the governor's office in Alaska, asking God to "make a way, make a way" for Palin in this endeavor.

Enjoy:

"That was awesome about Pastor Muthee" --- Time: 09:10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clIJ-VyvkNg

And here is a link to a testimonial in text form of the battle with the witch, Mama Jane, in Kiambu.
http://www.choicesforliving.com/spirit/part4/kenya.htm

I am seriously trying to give this story some legs and would love to see it mentioned on the 6 o'clock news. The idea of investing the ills of a whole town of 65,000 people in one woman and labeling her a witch is outrageous. For Sarah Palin to allow one who would do such a thing to pray over her suggests that something is not quite tight in her head or the heads of the whole Wasilla Assembly of God.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:27 PM on 09/19/2008

Thank you Jesus ,,,,,God bless Sarah!!
God Bless America!!! I am sooo happy to see God moving in this Land!!!
smile ,smile!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:17 PM on 09/14/2008
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"Christian­Exodus.org desires the return of constitutionally limited government to the whole of these United States. Recent years suggest that no such return to constitutional principles is likely. Therefore, we will return such principles to one sovereign State by moving thousands of Christian paleo-cons­ervatives.­"

http://christianexodus.org/index.php?module=htmlpages&func=display&pid=6

I guess the question becomes: "What specific constitutional principles are you referring to? Will the public policy and legal application of those principles guarantee the inalienable right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness of all US citizens? Even if that citizen is a gay atheist?

Note that Morning Star Ministries, Blackwater HQ, and Christian Exodus are all within 500 miles of each other.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:30 PM on 09/13/2008
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Can you say: the Anti-Christ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:18 PM on 09/13/2008
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The mainstream media (e.g. the networks, CNN, etc.) don't scrutinize potentially seditionist behavior on behalf of militant sects like Joel's Army/Third Wave because if they did, their reports would be criticized as "Christian persecution". If a Muslim were to publicize the same type of seditionist message on the internet that is publicized at www.morningstarministries.com, only couching that message in terms of the Q'uran instead of the Bible, I'm pretty sure it would be all over the news.

With God and Rove on their side, they're very good at what they do.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:43 PM on 09/13/2008

Anybody remember these?:
With a good conscience our only sure reward, with history the final judge of our deeds, let us go forth to lead the land we love, asking His blessing and His help, but knowing that here on earth God's work must truly be our own. JFK from inaugural address
Almighty God: Our sons, pride of our Nation, this day have set upon a mighty endeavor, a struggle to preserve our Republic, our religion, and our civilization, and to set free a suffering humanity.
Lead them straight and true; give strength to their arms, stoutness to their hearts, steadfastness in their faith. FDR on D-day 1943
For this we muster the spirit of America, and the faith of America.
We do not retreat. We are not content to stand still. As Americans, we go forward, in the service of our country, by the will of God. FDR 3rd inaugural address
From the height of this place and the summit of this century, let us go forth. May God strengthen our hands for the good work ahead, and always, always bless our America. Bill Clinton 2nd inaugural

Can you believe these guys thought God guided their actions?!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:11 PM on 09/13/2008
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No. But I can believe that both JFK and FDR derived a lot of strength from their faith, which 180-out from imposing your religious beliefs on the citizenry at large through proposing and influencing legislation, creating executive orders, and appointing like-minded justices to the Supreme Court.

http://www.beliefnet.com/story/40/story_4080_1.html

If Sarah Palin will say the same thing on national TV and walk the talk, that would go a long way toward establishing herself as a solid citizen with me.

We can start talking about being VP after that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:25 PM on 09/14/2008
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Oh my God, you think they meant God like Sarah Palin's god. And when Albert Einstein said, "God maybe subtle -- but he does not play dice;" you think he's talking about Sarah Palin's God. And when Stephen Hawkings ends his treatise, A Brief History of Time with, "For then we should know the mind of God." You think he was talking about rolling around in Sarah Palin's god's cranium. And of course, you believe that the United States was formed as a Christian nation. Of course, that's why the founding fathers incorporated strict separation of church and state to form a secular nation. Thomas Jefferson's view was typical of the founding fathers. On Jefferson, theologian Avery Dulles wrote, "He was not an orthodox Christian because he rejected, among other things, the doctrines that Jesus was the promised Messiah and the incarnate Son of God. Jefferson's religion is fairly typical of the American form of deism in his day." So I am guessing that Jefferson and the founding fathers have vastly different views on God than Sarah Palin's. Get a clue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:42 PM on 09/16/2008
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I just sent this to MoveOn as a "suggestion" (PART III)…

If the Morning Star website belonged to an Islamic group in SC, I'm sure there would be at least some nominal interest on behalf of the FBI. The same could be said of Erik Prince and Blackwater: Would the US government have permitted the establishment and growth of Blackwater if Prince had been a Muslim? Since it's a Christian-based fundamentalist organization, however, I doubt that it's getting any attention at all as a possible threat to the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, democracy, and life as we know it in the USA.

Just so you have some idea about who is writing this request, I am:

* 53 year old white male
* A Navy EOD (ordnance disposal/bomb squad) veteran
* A cum laude graduate from Vanderbilt University with a MBA from the Univ. of MD and a licensed CPA
* A member of American Mensa
* Raised Roman Catholic, though I no longer affiliate myself with any religious organization

I'm a normal, rational, productive US citizen (e.g. all for national security, believe that the U.S. was LATE getting involved against Hitler in the '30s...voted for Paul Tsongas in the 1992 MD Primary...)

I intend to send a version of this message to Senators Mikulski and Cardin, and my District Representative, Steny Hoyer.

If you’re as concerned about this as I am, I encourage you to express that concern to your own Congressmen, family, and friends too.

END

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:27 AM on 09/13/2008
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I just sent this to MoveOn as a "suggestion" (PART II)…

3. If you go to www.morningstarministries.org and explore the website (e.g. "About Us", etc.), you will find things like seminars on "Worship and Warfare" and statements like:

"The conquest ahead will help to continue the work on our character, but there will be a great difference in the conflict—instead of battling the enemies within who have kept us in bondage, we will begin battling the ones without who are keeping others in bondage.

We must never forget that our conquest …the liberation of souls that are now in the bondage of darkness…We are called as true freedom fighters. Our success in this life will be counted by the release of the captives that the devil has had in bondage to do his will.

We can now expect a big change to begin to take place in the church from just seeking to be set free ourselves, to setting the nations free…We are no longer just recently released slaves—we are warriors with the greatest cause, preparing for the greatest battle!"

http://www.morningstarministries.org/Articles/1000013345/MorningStar_Ministries/Media/Word_for_the/2005/The_Prevailing_Heart.aspx

This language is not "allegorical", and it smacks of sedition.

PLEASE GO TO "I just sent this to MoveOn as a 'suggestion' (PART III)"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 AM on 09/13/2008
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Historian Peter Steinfels says "the neoconservatives' "emphasis on foreign affairs emerged after the New Left and the counterculture had dissolved as convincing foils for neo-conservatism... The essential source of their anxiety is not military or geopolitical or to be found overseas at all; it is domestic and cultural and ideological."

Neoconservative foreign policy parallels their domestic policy. They insist that the U.S. military must be strong enough to control the world, or else the world will descend into chaos.

Believing that America should "export democracy", that is, spread its ideals of government, economics, and culture abroad, they grew to reject U.S. reliance on international organizations (the UN, NATO) and treaties to accomplish these objectives. Compared to other U.S. conservatives, neoconservatives take a more "idealist" vice "realist" stance on foreign policy; adhere less to social conservatism; have a weaker dedication to the policy of minimal government (when neo-cons own the show the primary purpose of the government is as cash cow, not to uphold the Constitution, preserve the public good, or any of that other "crap"...very different from a conservative like Goldwater); and in the past, have been more supportive of the welfare state.

That "exportation of democracy" marries up pretty well with "setting the nations free...no longer slaves...warriors with the greatest cause, preparing for the greatest battle", doesn't it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:41 PM on 09/14/2008
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Or, as Robert Redford in his role as "The Sundance Kid" asked Butch: "Who are these guys?"

For you younger viewers, the story doesn't end too well for Butch and Sundance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:36 PM on 09/14/2008
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I just sent this to MoveOn as a "suggestion" (PART I)

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Dear Staff:

On your page "Who is Sarah Palin" I don't see any reference to her "possible" connection to the Joel's Army/Third Wave movement. I strongly believe that this facet of a Vice Presidential candidate's background, regardless of party affiliation, should be diligently investigated and exposed for the American Electorate to see.

1. Sarah Palin "was" an ACTIVE member of the Wasilla Assembly of God (WAG) for 20 years (baptized at age 12), and only recently "left" the congregation before launching her political career.

2. The "pastor" of that church has close ties with Rick Joyner and his organization, Morning Star Ministries. The WAG regularly sends its adolescent members to "authority and leadership" training at the 52-acre Morning Star facility in Fort Drum, SC, which is a scant 5.5 hour bus ride from Blackwater's HQ and primary training facility in the Dismal Swamp region of NC. It is a well know fact that Erik Prince himself is a devout Evangelical, and that his family has close ties with James Dobson, among others in "the movement".

PLEASE GO TO "I just sent this to MoveOn as a 'suggestion' (PART II)"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 AM on 09/13/2008

I watched this video on your site with a number of shocked people.....why aren't we seeing or hearing more about it on tv....or discussions about the extreme beliefs and philosophies...plus Palin is actually involved and explaining her beliefs ,,,,which is scary....who's going to get this info out?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:43 PM on 09/12/2008
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Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them.
- Barry Goldwater, (1909–1998), five-term US Senator, Republican Party nominee for President in 1964*, Maj. Gen., US Air Force Reserves, author of The Conscience of a Conservative.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:53 PM on 09/11/2008
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The religious factions that are growing throughout our land are not using their religious clout with wisdom.... I'm frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in 'A,' 'B,' 'C,' and 'D.' Just who do they think they are?... I will fight them every step of the way if they try to dictate their moral convictions to all Americans in the name of "conservatism."
- Barry Goldwater, (1909–1998), five-term US Senator, Republican Party nominee for President in 1964*, Maj. Gen., US Air Force Reserves, author of The Conscience of a Conservative.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:51 PM on 09/11/2008
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