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Carol Felsenthal

Carol Felsenthal

Posted: April 26, 2010 02:23 PM

What Do Arizona and Iraq Have in Common?

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My husband and I were walking on a rainy, chilly Friday night from our car to one of the many Italian restaurants on Chicago's Taylor Street. It was after 10 and we got in under the wire as the kitchen was closing. A man in his early 20s who I guessed to be Hispanic rode by on a creaky bicycle wearing shorts and a t-shirt and carrying under his arm what looked like a kitchen uniform. I wondered if this were Phoenix rather than Chicago if police, under the immigration law passed that day, could stop him and ask him for identification.

I was listening to NPR's "Weekend Edition Sunday" as guest host Jacki Lyden interviewed departing Baghdad bureau chief Quil Lawrence. They discussed the changes in Iraq since the overthrow of Saddam Hussein, and Lawrence made the point that Saddam's web of secret police and prisons was so omnipresent, so oppressive that whenever five people got together, it was a safe bet one of them was a snitch for the state.

And so I thought again about Arizona and its new law that allows the police to stop a person if the officer has a "reasonable suspicion" that he or she is not in the country legally. The AP quoted Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio, the Arizonan who has become famous for his advocacy of the harshest crackdown on illegal immigrants. The new law, the AP reported, "gives him new authority to detain undocumented migrants who aren't accused of committing any other crimes. 'Now if we can show they're illegal, we can actually arrest them and put them in our jails.'"

Iraq was lousy with snitches. Arizona could follow suit; its citizens ratting out others for a myriad of reasons--personal, political, a grudge, a nature simply racist or mean or angry.

Unless the law is stopped before it can take effect--in late July or early August--it could turn out to have an impact that not even George Orwell could have imagined. It could create a system of informers that would make Saddam Hussein sit up in his grave and salute.

 
 
 
 
 
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06:32 AM on 04/27/2010
Carol Felsenthal, Chicago-based journalist, I doubt U would consider traveling without UR ID in Chicago, so why is that such a problem for U in Arizona. Certainly if travel outside the US, U would
not consider leaving UR ID at home unless U did not want people to know who U R. I am really surprised that U would support Lawbreakers and not the citizens of Arizona......
01:08 PM on 04/27/2010
well, Dave Carlson, that swounds logical but it totally begs the question, don't you think? A citizen, in fact anyone who is minding their own business, has the right not to be disturbed in their person. When you are speaking of civil rights, as you are, it isn't enough to say if you have nothing to hide why worry about it, we have a right to have limited government and that right must be jealously enforced. If Arizona's legislators don't understand that, we have courts to make them aware by striking down the law.
10:07 PM on 04/26/2010
If you're a legal resident, please register with your local precinct each day, and pick up your official resident id tag, drape it around your neck, and hope the radio waves send the right signal. Otherwise, be prepared to be stopped repeatedly.
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Carol Felsenthal
09:22 PM on 04/26/2010
The author of this Vince Kamin asked me to post his comment:
What happens when the majority becomes the minority and all the laws of residency shift away from them forcing them to return to Asia and Europe? African Americans were brought her illegally so they have no worries. California will no doubt become our Capitol. Border states will be like duchys. It will be hard for "Americans" to sneak back in, with Latino officials allowed to arrest those who try.

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Cherie King
05:45 PM on 04/26/2010
Arizona is the only state that likes enacting laws that have negative effects on the economy. don't forget people, Arizona had to adopt Martin Luther King Jr Day in order to get the Super Bowl. MLB, the Cactus League may withdraw spring training over this.
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05:01 PM on 04/26/2010
We welcome all legal immigration. Always have but the illegal invasion over our southern boarder has to be stopped.
If the Feds won't do it then the states affected should.
Legal immigrants should welcome the crack down. They are the ones most affected by the crime and violence and loss of jobs.
07:05 PM on 04/26/2010
Valerie Plame was indeed a spy working for the US, Michael Haydens said so.

She was outed on the orders of Cheney. Libby was convicted of four of five counts in the cover up. So you lie when you say no legal action was taken.

The 9 11 commission did not rule Wilson unreliable. That was a minority opinion voiced by three hyper partisan Rethugs.

Bush deceived America regarding the threat posed by Saddam. Where is the yellow cake? Where are the WMDs?

You lie like a rug.
04:33 PM on 05/04/2010
Not to mix apples and oranges since this thread is about illegal immigration, but JustPlainFedUp is entirely wrong about their 911 / WMD assertions. The US Senate Select Intellegence Committee did indeed find Wilson unreliable - read Chapter 2 B of the report. Wilson's accounts not only conflicted with reports from Nigerian Prime Minister Ibrahim Mayaki and Minister for Energy and Mines, Mai Manga, who both stated that Iraqi representatives DID approach them about buying yellow cake. Wilson himself, in sworn testimony, said "that he may have 'misspoken' to the reporter when he said he concluded the documents were 'forged.'" He also said he may have become confused about his own recollection..." So much for being reliable. Oh, by the way, the US hauled 550 metric tons of yellow cake out of Iraq: www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25546334
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mratcheson
03:39 PM on 04/26/2010
"a city which just request federal help protecting it's citizen's from other US citizen's"

I believe you are mistaken. Yesterday, two IL state representatives suggested calling up the National Guard as a way to supplement the police department's efforts in Chicago. So far as I know, no one has acted on their suggestion at this time. My understanding is if the governor takes up their suggestion, the state would be responsible for paying the salaries of the men and women called up. Is this what you are referring to?
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mratcheson
05:30 PM on 04/26/2010
Hmm, when I wrote this it was as a reply to Darkstar...
03:38 PM on 04/26/2010
The only way this country has ever grown is by attracting new immigrant groups; literally every single citizen that isn't 100% Native American is descended from an immigrant. The recent aversion to immigration is propagated by nothing more than racism and fear. Countries that America has clearly opposed have adopted similar policies as Arizona--Iraq, Apartheid-era South Africa. The amount of hypocrisy surrounding this issue is ridiculous.
04:55 PM on 04/26/2010
Immigration is still on option for anyone. It's illegal immigration that is the subject here. You know this but act like they are the same thing. That makes you an idiot or liar. Which is it?
07:20 PM on 04/26/2010
There was no such thing as illegal immigration until the US established National Origin Quota of 1924. This act only restricted immigration from non-European countries, such as China. It is now widely accepted that the National Origin Quota was instituted out of pure ignorance and racism, and the quota was repealed in the 1970s. Any laws that currently exist to restrict immigration are simply remnants of an antiquated and discriminatory law that has since been voided. So, basically, there shouldn't be a distinction between illegal and legal immigration, because the root of immigration restriction is cut-and-dry racism.
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dagmaclugh39
Nomen est omen.
03:29 PM on 04/26/2010
An illegal alien is to America what a burglar is to your home. However, I don't fault the illegals as much as I do employers who knowingly hire them. Toss the employers in jail, and the problem is resolved.
ThinkCreeps
Seriously, it's time.
03:15 PM on 04/26/2010
The weather's hot, and the locals are unhinged?
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RonGallion
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03:14 PM on 04/26/2010
Carol I want to remind you that Sheriff Joe Arpaio is enforcing the law nothing more. Perhaps you don't like that. Perhaps you are just ok with invaders ( I use the word invaders because I was told illegals was a racist term), moving in with disregard for our laws, they take jobs away, burden schools with kids that can't speak English, Hospitals are closing because they figured out they have to be treated and they don't pay so the hospital closes. I blame this problem on the government all the way back to Nixon. Their unwillingness to enforce the law is now such a big problem states are passing laws to protect themselves.
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darkstar528
03:06 PM on 04/26/2010
I meant to add those opposing this are supporting the status quo and not US citizens...
03:05 PM on 04/26/2010
Apparently, thats exactly the kind of country the majority of Arizonians want. Lets hope they aren't part of a new trend.
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darkstar528
03:05 PM on 04/26/2010
You're a Chicago based journalist, a city which just request federal help protecting it's citizen's from other US citizen's and gave us Blago, obviously didn't read the bill, it absolutely reflects federal law verbatim...Immigrants are REQUIRED TO CARRY THEIR GREEN CARDS just so they can be displayed upon request...This law was a slap in the face to D.C. for doing NOTHING to help them, just as you're advocating...
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Uncle Bill
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09:43 PM on 04/26/2010
You apparently ignore the local news- DHS has arrested a number of people associated with transporting illegal aliens in Arizona. Over 800 ICE and other LEO's involved in the case. That's definitely more than nothing.