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It's A Matter of Life...And Debt: Know Your Rights!

Posted: 08/22/2012 3:42 am

It was January, 2001 -- one month after my husband's death. I awakened one morning to an envelope sent by a dauntingly large law firm; something that no one needs to receive immediately after you have buried your beloved. Left in both emotional and financial ruin at that point in time, I was also recovering from emergency abdominal surgery and my father had just been diagnosed with terminal cancer, from which he passed away three months later.

It was not an especially good season in time.

I anxiously tore open the envelope and was floored at its contents. After a terse and insincere "Sorry for your loss..." salutation, the letter went on to state that they were representing a financial institution that held a credit card and a credit line belonging to my late husband Mike; both opened seven years before we had gotten married. While I held business and personal accounts at this institution, my name had never been associated on the particular accounts that Mike held.

The letter further stated that I was "obviously responsible" for "taking care of your husband's obligations" and that if they did not receive payment in full within 30 days, they would take further action against me. Did I mention that the actual institution never contacted me personally, despite Mike's more than 25-year history with them; that they instead simply referred the matter to a law firm? Did I also neglect to mention that almost all of the officers of said financial institution were guests at our wedding? And his funeral?

Do I have to tell you how enraged I was?

First, rather than contact me personally, the matter was instead referred to a law firm. Secondly, they were clearly attempting to (1) take advantage of someone in an obviously vulnerable state; and (2) collect on debts for which I knew I was not responsible.

So despite the rage, the vulnerability and an extremely sore abdomen, I dusted off my own legal prowess and sent them a letter in response. I none-too-kindly informed them that Mike's accounts and the debts associated with them were not in my name, that these debts were amassed long before we were married and that if they continued to harass me, they would be hearing from an extremely large and intimidating law firm in response.

I never heard from them again.

Moreover, it took me about a half-hour to move every cent I had to another financial institution.

When you are in the throes of grief, matters of finance and legality are the last things with which you want to be concerned. However, and sadly, there are those who are only too happy to take advantage of both your emotional state, as well as what may be a lack of knowledge as to your rights as a survivor. Even though it is absolutely the last thing that you want to think about, when it comes to debt after death, you must know your rights; whether you are responsible for the debt or not.

1. Depending on where you live, you may not be responsible for debts left behind by your spouse or loved one. If the debts do not have your name on them, you may not be liable for the debt incurred. However, as with all other financial and legal matters, laws as to financial liability after spousal death vary widely from state to state as well as from country to country.

Generally speaking, you will be responsible for any debt to which your name is attached; however, you must consult with an attorney who specializes in estate matters, as well as a certified financial planner and/or CPA in order to determine your actual financial responsibility. Don't simply make assumptions as to financial responsibility (or lack thereof) on your own.

2. No matter who is accountable for the debt, no one has the right to employ abusive, threatening or harassing tactics in order to collect on a debt. The Federal Trade Commission is responsible for enforcing the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act, which protects consumers you against illegal collection tactics. Unfortunately, it doesn't mean that collectors haven't or don't employ these tactics, especially those who readily prey on the vulnerable and those who don't know their rights. There are a variety of protections in place to protect against these predators and in extreme cases, these protections may also help you sue for damages against companies who break collection laws.

When it comes to settling debts left behind in the wake of spousal death, you must know your rights. You cannot permit yourself to be intimidated or be otherwise so overwhelmed with grief, exhaustion, confusion or a combination of all three, that you simply start doling out money. Finally, you must be willing to advocate for yourself (or find experts who will advocate on your behalf) and demand to be treated with respect, with dignity and within the limits of the law.

Because you deserve it.

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It was January, 2001 -- one month after my husband's death. I awakened one morning to an envelope sent by a dauntingly large law firm; something that no one needs to receive immediately after you have...
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01:22 PM on 08/27/2012
I had a similar experience following my father's death . American Express tried to get me and my siblings to pay off his outstanding credit card bill . We had no legal obligation to do so . But they first acted as though we did , and when challenged actually tried to guilt us to do so to "honor his obligations ." This after they profited handsomely from his business for 50 years . They are all parasites .
11:47 AM on 08/27/2012
HEY! wheres my response to JohnnyKay?
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mike711l
The universe is laughing at you behind your back
05:02 AM on 08/27/2012
When a family member passes away who has debts do what I did; get a prepaid cell phone and have their calls forwarded to it. Never give your name or number to anyone who calls looking for money and do not inform them of the relatives death. Follow these steps and they will not be harassing you. If you inherit any money and can string them out long enough they will either give up or the statute of limitations for them to collect the debt will expire. Then they can go F themselves!
10:39 PM on 08/26/2012
HEAR ME .you are not responsible for your spouses bills if he/she should die unless your name is on the ACCOUNT.....THEY WILL TRY TO GET MONEY OUT OF YOU....DO NOT PAY IT.
06:47 PM on 08/26/2012
You may not be responsible, but your husband's "estate" IS responsible. That means debtors get their share before any remaining assets can be divided among heirs. You might not like it, but when someone dying does not mean their debts magically disappear regardless of when they were taken out.
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01:40 PM on 08/26/2012
Reminds me of a friend of mine who's military disabled husband died on the last day of the month. His disability check was supposed to hit on the 3rd. She called on the 1st to tell them he had died and they stopped the payment before it could hit on 3rd (they never work that fast to give you what they owe). She had a slew of automatic payments hit the bank and bounce. The bank wanted their money RIGHT NOW.
01:37 PM on 08/26/2012
On the other hand, my mother was just told by Bank of America that she could recoup the payments she had been making on my father's cards for the 18 months since his death. She assumed she was responsible, but the bank representative helped her get her money back. Not all banks are bastards.
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savantpm
12:55 PM on 08/26/2012
Perhaps this article reflects why many spouses die within one year of spousal death. I remember when, in 1961, my great grandmother died suddenly and my beloved 80 plus great grandfather signed for a funeral he did not understand and could not afford. Upon receiving bills from the funeral director he went into a state of shock and died shortly thereafter of heart failure. Following the advent of funeral insurance, which the majority of Americans don't have, I have NO respect for funeral directors!!!! My late mother paid into a funeral insurance policy for years, however, it barely began to cover the costs of a simple cremation with no funeral service!!!!
06:21 PM on 08/26/2012
One solution. Take care of your funeral arrangements before you die. (I know, I haven't either).
08:01 AM on 08/26/2012
And by the way, just because you may have a legal right to walk away from your spouse's debt does not mean you have the moral right to. I imagine you got HIS share of the house which in my opinion should go to settle HIS debt! KARMA
02:41 PM on 08/26/2012
Where in this article (beyond your dream state) did it say she got "the house" or even came out ahead (pardon that) in any way at all?

Instead, she said she was in serious financial straits when her husband died.

Are you a banker or attorney by any chance?
11:17 AM on 08/27/2012
Bad things happen to people in life, that is something that you have to accept. And just because you are in "financial ruin" does not excuse that debt. As far as the house issue I did state that "I imagine" , clearly conjectural. The point being that any assets are shared by a married couple and debt should also be shared. In no way should tragedy excuse debt, what happened to people's pride? And no I am not a banker, I dislike "bankers" in general. Don't like how they operate? Don't sign on the dotted line! Proud small business owner who accepts my responsibilities and pays my debt.
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taxi648
It's all about issues, mine and yours.
02:52 PM on 08/26/2012
Read the article. In the very first paragraph, she stated she was left in financial ruin. It's hard to pay off debt if you have no money.
11:19 AM on 08/27/2012
That in no way excuses the debt, "hard to" is not impossible.
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MarshaA
United We Stand
12:04 AM on 08/26/2012
I would think his estate would be lible for his debt. As beneficary of the estate, I would think she would be responsible for all debts and credits.
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stevchipmunk
11:52 PM on 08/25/2012
Another "Go Get 'em Girl!" feel good article... but absolutely useless to most of us.

Most of us have no idea of how -- or the wherewithal -- to engage "an extremely large and intimidating law firm " to respond. Too often, the anonymous guy you find in the Yellow Pages is worse than no good -- plus, in addition to being no good, he charges hundreds of dollars PER HOUR.

So what do you do? Fighting "an extremely large and intimidating law firm" by yourself is also very, very difficult. Trying to engage some government bureaucrat from some government agency (we're from the government, and we're here to help you folks)... could be some help. If you can get your local TV station to help could be great help -- but the chance of that happening is, you know, slim or none.

Which is why, for example, we hear about so many abuses going on in the mortgage mess we're in (causing untold suffering for so many Americans)... but neither Obama nor Romney seem to give damn.

So you gotta keep your head down, and keep on truckin'...
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Fran Jaime
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11:23 PM on 08/25/2012
Good for you for fighting back!
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hootie1fan
A liberal, educated, Catholic Yankee living in AL
05:48 PM on 08/25/2012
They don't care because for every 100 letters sent out asking somebody to pay a debt for which they have no legal obligation, most will pay rather than fight. Their methods work because they are amoral
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mherrera
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04:37 PM on 08/25/2012
Sue them! No financial institution will want to go up before a jury and defend itself for harassing a grieving widow. You can have them paying you!
04:14 PM on 08/25/2012
Attempting to collect a debt from a person that cannot be proven to be responsible should itself be a felony as should aiding and abetting such crimes.

That said, it can be amazing easy to walk away from even possibly legitimate unsecured debt, if you know the ropes.