Clinton Slams Democratic Activists At Private Fundraiser

Posted April 18, 2008 | 06:30 PM (EST)



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At a small closed-door fundraiser after Super Tuesday, Sen. Hillary Clinton blamed what she called the "activist base" of the Democratic Party -- and MoveOn.org in particular -- for many of her electoral defeats, saying activists had "flooded" state caucuses and "intimidated" her supporters, according to an audio recording of the event obtained by The Huffington Post.

"Moveon.org endorsed [Sen. Barack Obama] -- which is like a gusher of money that never seems to slow down," Clinton said to a meeting of donors. "We have been less successful in caucuses because it brings out the activist base of the Democratic Party. MoveOn didn't even want us to go into Afghanistan. I mean, that's what we're dealing with. And you know they turn out in great numbers. And they are very driven by their view of our positions, and it's primarily national security and foreign policy that drives them. I don't agree with them. They know I don't agree with them. So they flood into these caucuses and dominate them and really intimidate people who actually show up to support me."

Listen to the audio below:

Clinton's remarks depart radically from the traditional position of presidential candidates, who in the past have celebrated high levels of turnout by party activists and partisans as a harbinger for their own party's success -- regardless of who is the eventual nominee -- in the general election showdown.

The comments also contradict Clinton's previous statements praising this year's elevated Democratic turnout in primaries and caucuses, and appear to blame her caucus defeats on newly energized grassroots voter groups that she has lauded in the past as "lively participants" in American democracy.

"You've been asking the tough questions," Clinton said in April of last year at a MoveOn-sponsored town hall event. "You've been refusing to back down when any of us who are in political leadership are not living up to the standards that we should set for ourselves... I think you have helped to change the face of American politics for the better... both online, and in the corridors of power."

Clinton's criticism followed MoveOn's endorsement of Obama in early February. The group was initially established in 1999 to oppose the Republican-led effort to impeach President Bill Clinton, and now claims 3.2 million members.

In a statement to The Huffington Post, MoveOn's Executive Director Eli Pariser reacted strongly to Clinton's remarks: "Senator Clinton has her facts wrong again. MoveOn never opposed the war in Afghanistan, and we set the record straight years ago when Karl Rove made the same claim. Senator Clinton's attack on our members is divisive at a time when Democrats will soon need to unify to beat Senator McCain. MoveOn is 3.2 million reliable voters and volunteers who are an important part of any winning Democratic coalition in November. They deserve better than to be dismissed using Republican talking points."

Howard Wolfson, communications director for the Clinton campaign, verified the authenticity of the audio, and elaborated on Clinton's charge that these same party activists were engaged in acts of intimidation against her supporters: "There have been well documented instances of intimidation in the Nevada and the Texas caucuses, and it is a fact that while we have won 4 of the 5 largest primaries, where participation is greatest, Senator Obama has done better in caucuses than we have." About Clinton's remarks suggesting dismay over high Democratic activist turnout, Wolfson said, "I'll let my statement stand as is."

In fact, the Nevada caucuses occurred prior to MoveOn's endorsement of Obama, and when Clinton made her remarks, the Texas caucuses had yet to take place.

The disclosure of Clinton's statement disparaging the prominence of party activists in the caucus process comes after she repeatedly suggested that Obama's electability had been compromised because he had allegedly offended other key Democratic constituencies.

This story was developed in cooperation with OffTheBus to which reporter Celeste Fremon is a regular contributor.

 

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I know its all a show, but, even so, Hillary Clintons dirty tactics make me so mad. As always, what scares me the most is how and what Hillary will do to try to win.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:02 PM on 04/22/2008

Is it just me, or is what she's getting at basically:

The problem is that people who don't like me exist and are in fact voting for someone else.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:02 PM on 04/22/2008

I'm honestly not really sure what Hilary is getting at here. I thought "political activist" just meant exactly what it sounds like; someone who is active in the political process. I thought that anyone who actively campaigns for any politician would be considered an activist of said politician. If Hilary is against activism...what does that even mean? Isn't anyone involved on her campaign an "activist"? Isn't anyone who pushes for anything- be it gay rights, literacy, civil liberties, etc, an activist?

Is she suggesting that if you are not officially affiliated with a political candidate's campaign (i.e. on a campaign payroll) that you should not endorse or campaign for a candidate? Is she suggesting that unless you are in politics you should not be allowed to fight for a cause- that only politicians and lobbyists should have a say in anything and the rest of us should keep our traps shut? I I simply can't believe that is what she actually means. Can someone clarify this for me?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:32 PM on 04/22/2008

I've heard this line of "intimidation" before, but never any facts nor even testimonies from someone who was intimidated... I'd like to know more.

It's unfortunate this story wasn't released sooner.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:03 PM on 04/22/2008

It seems that Hiliary only wants us (moveon.org) when it will benefit her. I have noticed in the last several months that SHE will do or say anything to get the nomination. Even praising McBUSH over saying anything nice about Barack. I find that she is very willing to open up wounds and help them fester if advances her cause. She may find herself SOL if she doesn't start being more less devicive.(sp)

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:54 PM on 04/22/2008

We resemble that remark.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:56 PM on 04/22/2008

Unless Moveon and the rest of us working class follow to the beat of her drum then we are considered the activist radicals out to destroy her unquestionable plan to rule America.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=6h3G-lMZxjo


Power corrupts, and lusting after it corrupts as well.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 AM on 04/22/2008

I find Hillary's comments to be true. As a former member of MoveOn.org I was extremely embarrassed when the well funded liberal machine called a General "General Betray US". I am no republican, but there is a line you do not cross and MoveOn did. Obama has MoveOn's endorsement but better him then Hillary. That's republican ammunition.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:45 AM on 04/22/2008

Oh Please RRH ,,moveon.org was right when they used the phrase General Betray Us because that is exactly what he was doing and his own general or cheif whatever his label is who was over him said totally opposite what he told the american people .

More Hillary double speak ,,first she is for you then she against you ,,it all depends on who she is pandering to.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:17 PM on 04/22/2008

it's clear clinton expected to have an easy time in the democratic primary. but, since she's run into some competition, she's been bitter and whiny and she has shown time and time again that she does not care for what the voters think. she's careless with her lies and doesn't really seem to think it means much when she's caught. she expects the electorate to do whatever they're told and she has made distainful comments about them too many times to count. she treats them as if they're republican voters! I don't know who in the democratic party told her that she'd be the nominee even before this process started, but she was listening to the wrong group. perhaps this time the American voters will choose.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:08 AM on 04/22/2008

Why do they group Moveon.org as a terrorist or radical group? Because they are free-thinkers?

Sure, they come out with thought-provoking videos -- oh, wait, there it is!!! Thought provoking !!!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 07:47 AM on 04/22/2008

it's easy to marginalize the group after you've labeled them this way. it's harder to attract new members and nearly impossible to get people to take you seriously until it's too late. even if every single move-on ad is non-partisan and dead on with the facts, MSM will call them kooks &tc, and few will listen to the message.
if hil got the nomination, she'd expect this group to fall in line and have its members vote for her. but they could not count on any support for their views from her, and she'd treat them horribly until she needs them.
this is the type of politics that Obama is trying to change. It's why Nader is running again. It's why Bob Barr is running. There will be choices other than Dem/Repub this election, and perhaps if the voters do not make the choice in the Dem primary this year it will be time to look at other options.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:15 AM on 04/22/2008

Another day, another whine... that is what Hillary Clinton is good at - whining and playing the victim role. Moving on.........

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:47 AM on 04/22/2008

Hillary doesn't like us because we are not supporting her like Richard Mellon Scaife, Rupert Murdock, Rush Limbaugh and all those favorites of hers.
She doesn't act like us either. She acts like Richard Mellon Scaife, Rupert Murdock, Rush Limbaugh and all those favorites of hers.
Now Molly was my kind of woman.
http://www.cnn.com/2006//POLITICS/01/20/ivins.hillary/index.html
says it all.
Birds of a feather, you know! But things do change. Lieberman is no longer pretending to be a Democrat; he's finally in the open, serving McCain. (But that's a lot like Hillary, too.)

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 PM on 04/21/2008

Yes, isn't it funny that McCain is more liberal than Hillary in so much that the gender-confused Anne (Arthur) Coulter would vote for Swillary?

I thought Swillary was a communist? :)

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 07:32 AM on 04/22/2008

Molly Ivens, Ann Richards....both gone but remembered. Gods I wish they were here now.

Ann Richards said..' Poor George, he can't help it, he was born with a silver foot in his mouth." Awesome.

Molly was right, back before most of us realized how right she was.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:21 AM on 04/22/2008

Hillary whines about MoveOn.org and plays the "victim" card for the umpteenth time. Queen Hillary wants us to believe she is the victim of a vast left-wing conspiracy.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:15 PM on 04/21/2008
Moderator's Pick

HuffPost's Pick

Only with massive, enthusiastic activism is the Democratic nominee likely to defeat John McCain in November.

Only with massive, enthusiastic activism is our next president likely to overcome the influence of the health insurance industry to enact meaningful health care reform.

Only with massive, enthusiastic activism is our next president likely to overcome the influence of Bush-Cheney Republicans in Congress to bring an end to our occupation of Iraq.

Only with massive, enthusiastic activism is our next president likely to overcome the influence of the oil industry to reduce our dependence on oil in favor of more secure, more environmentally sound energy policies.

Only with massive, enthusiastic activism is our next president likely to overcome the influence of small groups with big money to create an economy that works for working Americans.

It's not just MoveOn. There's a massive, enthusiastic political movement out here. We're working for health care reform, ending the occupation of Iraq, energy policies that benefit the American people instead of the oil industry, living wages for working Americans. Obama's campaign is about us. The more of us, the better. The more active, the better.

What is Clinton's campaign about?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:16 PM on 04/21/2008

YEA! DoTheMath's comment is not just a Huffpo Pick, it's my pick, too. It really will require activism to get anything done in the next administration and Hilary just doesn't get that (obviously!). If she did understand it, she would not deride the very people that she would need.

Obama is much more cognitive of the efforts it will take by ordinary citizens. From the beginning of his campaign he has made it clear that change requires a truly participatory citizenry. He has said many times to great effect that WE are the ones WE have been waiting for!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:06 AM on 04/22/2008

I second what Charmer said. Hillary is about being a president who fixes problems and not just talks about them. What has Obama accomplished?
My piece on Meritocracy
http://tinyurl.com/2xlfan

Every time I hear Obama lead with "health care" I flinch. Obama talked the talk in 2007 about Universal Health care and then he chose the wimpy solution. Edwards and Hillary understood the key - you gotta have everyone in the system.
Obama's poor judgement on Healthcare
http://tinyurl.com/2fxk3v

Obama and Hillary are the same on the issues except for this key difference on healthcare. Then comes the choice of someone who knows how to get things done and someone who has a dream. Talk to some Deval Patrick supporters, they have experienced what it like after the dreamer gets elected.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:30 PM on 04/21/2008

Clinton's campaign is about solutions. Awhile ago I belonged to MoveOn. Then when I knew they were supporting Obama I quit the organization. Obama has not been tried yet. He misrepresents himself. He pretends he's a poor son of a single mother when in reality he was raised by white grandparents, one of whom was a bank officer. He attended the most prestigious school in Hawaii. He says he was a constitutional law professor when he wasn't. He associates with people who hate America and if you read his wife's senior paper at Princeton, she sides with separatists and opposes inclusion. Wake up, people. Your naivete is appalling!!! Yes, I know Hillary has been through a lot. That's why I'm voting for her. She is a fighter who will bring back the peace and prosperity of the 90's. That's what we need right now.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:01 PM on 04/21/2008

If the people he surrounded himself with "hate America"... wouldn't they leave?

The fact is they care about America so much that when they see things so wrong with it they get very upset and unfortunately go to extreme measures. Rev. Wright was so moved by JFK's "Ask not..." speech that he joined the marines... for his country. He transfered to the Navy after 2 years of service, entered the Corpsman School and graduated valedictorian. Trained as a cardiopulmonary technician, he was selected for the medical team to take care of Pres. Lyndon Johnson. He left the service... but not without 3 letters of commendation from the White House. If you think someone like that can't be critical of this country then I don't know what you think America is about. Did these people deal with their frustration inappropriately or in ways that may scare folks? Yes. Do they hate America? No! I don't know what history classes you took, but when this country was formed its founders turned to violence in the face of the current government... they called it treason then and we call it treason now. But since when did escaping tyranny become unpatriotic? There's a serious fear in this country that speaking up is speaking against and speaking against is unpatriotic and un-American. In Europe, the governments fear their people... in America, the people fear its government. But we're the greatest country in the world...

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:37 PM on 04/22/2008

How old are you?
Every time I hear a Hillary supporter they talk about the 90's...that was not Hillary that was Bill..and that was the advisors he had. Advisors that mostly now with Obama. That 90's are over...the times are different, the problems different...

You all will not listen, as far as Obama not being a law professor.. that was another lie told by Hillary..the Harvard law school sent a memo to reporters...
http://www.law.uchicago.edu/media/index.html
The Law School has received many media requests about Barack Obama, especially about his status as "Senior Lecturer."

From 1992 until his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004, Barack Obama served as a professor in the Law School. He was a Lecturer from 1992 to 1996. He was a Senior Lecturer from 1996 to 2004, during which time he taught three courses per year. Senior Lecturers are considered to be members of the Law School faculty and are regarded as professors, although not full-time or tenure-track. The title of Senior Lecturer is distinct from the title of Lecturer, which signifies adjunct status. Like Obama, each of the Law School's Senior Lecturers has high-demand careers in politics or public service, which prevent full-time teaching. Several times during his 12 years as a professor in the Law School, Obama was invited to join the faculty in a full-time tenure-track position, but he declined.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:16 AM on 04/22/2008

Bill's biggest was Hillary.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:00 PM on 04/22/2008

Good point

1) Bill's main sound bites were "time for a change" as well as "I feel your pain"
Hillary's are all copied
2) Obama's status as a "Senior Lecturer" states that he is a law school professor not adjunct professor, but may not be tenure-tracked. I know non tenure-tracked professors that are not adjunct but they are considered faculty.

I don't think turnitin.com was available when Hillary went to school otherwised she would've been expelled for plagerizing.

Oh and to be fair I guess Obama did too, and so did McCain (Reagan copy-cat ewww)

Looks like I'll have to hold my nose and vote come November -- that is if they let us in Floriduh.

d

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 07:44 AM on 04/22/2008

Charmer, I am a professor and I know the fact that Obama was a professor. What is your profession? Liars for Hillary?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:18 AM on 04/22/2008

MoveOn has been a tremendous help for Democratic candidates that are real Democrats.

No compromised candiates need apply for the originazation's endorsements!

Hillary's campaign, associations, political agenda resemble the right-wing more than the Democratic Party.

The Turning of the Shrew has never been more exemplified than Hillary Clinton's journey to the dark side!

MoveOn has been consistent and a watchdog to inform voters on politicians, causes, and Party members who are either not living up to their responsibilities, too concerned with profits, not being honest about issues, and not representing the best interest of the people of this country!

Hillary seems to be intent with her associates in creating a more right-wing Democratic Party. That should be a warning to anyone that wants a real two-party system.

This will probably get axed--no one dare's criticize Hillary.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:55 PM on 04/21/2008

You are a massive group of people who are brainwashed. You seriously have no real common sense. You believe that you can protest everyone and everything that you feel moved. Well, why don't you fly to other countries and protest human trafficking, heroin trade, child labor? You want the people in government to work for you but you have no respect.
I say this from having given my flash light to Cindy Sheehan on the night before the Veterans for Peace Convoy excorted her to Bush's Ranch. In your zest for your protests, you could care less when the males on those trips harrassed women. You avoid the fact that several people were carrying marijuana on them and endangering others to be arrested alongside those. You risk innocent people's lives by allowing them to think that your cause is so just that you can do no wrong when in fact there is abuse of people in your world. Who will monitor it. I have seen no evidence that you people actually take any responsibility when your work ruins any one elses lives or livelihood. You are causing people to fear, hate and rebel against people that you do not know. You all should be ashamed of yourselves for harrassing people.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:52 PM on 04/21/2008

"We're working for health care reform, ending the occupation of Iraq, energy policies that benefit the American people instead of the oil industry, living wages for working Americans. Obama's campaign is about us. The more of us, the better. The more active, the better."

Hillary voters, being over 25, recognize this bunch of soundbites from elections over the past 30 years. It sounded great to us then when we were in college too

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:37 PM on 04/21/2008

Since January, I have saved about 1,000.00 dollars in fuel compared to the same period last year, but since I'm retired for 4 years now, I took an earlier vacation last year, but with the gas prices what they are, and me not taking a vacation this year. I feel sure I can save at least another 2,000.00 by the end of the year. cut out all the sunday drives, except to church. When you go to the store, go once a week or as I do once a month. I see 3 different doctors, since I'm a vet. I have to see a phsy. doctor every 3 months, and my regular doctor, every three months, and my heart doctor every three months, so I make my appointments for the same day so I can make one trip do it. So far this year I've filled up once a week and thats it. Now before you get excited, let me say my life may be different than yours but stop making extra trips to the local store to get snacks get enough when you go to the grocery store to do you util you have to go back to the store for groceries again. or stop on your way home from work, if we all do this we can hurt the oil companies. one more thing I only get about 16 mpg in my jeep liberty in town. so you can see how much i have cut down.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:35 PM on 04/21/2008

Good luck on changing the oil industry, it's been tried through about 14 presidents, and they are still making money hand over fist. The only way to hurt the big oil companies, is if every car driven in the United States cuts their use of fuel, by just 10% a day for a year. Also skip a vacation for one year, but it won't work if everyone don't do it.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:50 PM on 04/21/2008

Obama voters, being over 25 and beyond like say 60 recognize the same old politics of fear and say anything to get elected from this very tired political family. It sounds great to me, Obama's campaign messages, the best I've heard in 40 years.
Obama 08

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:27 PM on 04/21/2008

I am another 60 year old that is smart enough to vote for Obama. I just heard his speech at the rally in Pittsburgh....that is the world that I want for my grandbabies.

Hillary's supporters need to check factcheck before they make any opinion of her.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:40 AM on 04/22/2008