This is an unbelievable moment. Dick Cheney's PR offensive over the last month actually worked. Barack Obama just crumbled and will follow Cheney's command to not release the new set of detainee abuse pictures.
By the way, if you hadn't figured it out by now, that's why you saw every Cheney in the world on television arguing that torture works and that releasing more information would gravely harm the troops. They weren't worried about what was already released; they were worried about what was going to get released. They were trying to preempt the most damaging thing of all -- the pictures that show the torture.
Just talk about torture doesn't really do it for the American people. But when they see pictures, they get it. That's why Bush had to apologize profusely and throw a few low-level soldiers under the bus when the Abu Ghraib pictures came out. You think there would have been anywhere near that level of controversy or accountability (such that it was) without the pictures?
How many Americans have heard of Bagram Air Base and how we tortured people to death there? A scant few. How many would have heard of it if there were pictures of detainees shackled from the ceiling in a Palestinian hanging or bleeding to death? Pictures are worth a billion words.
You know why? Television! If something isn't on television, it didn't happen. And television producers are obsessed with visuals (makes some sense since it's a visual medium, but their obsession winds up dumbing down the news if there aren't any pictures or video to go along with an important story).
Television has a multiplier effect. The New York Times story on how we beat a man named Dilawar to death at Bagram just sits there and whoever reads it, reads it. And then, it's done. On television stories spread and multiply and get spread to other channels and other mediums. Television doesn't just report the news; it decides what the news is.
So, that is what this whole fight has been about -- the pictures. And now Obama adopted Cheney's position that it endangers national security to release the pictures and he will be saddled for the rest of time with the obligation to fight Cheney's battle for him. And anytime any reasonable person makes a case that as a free and open democracy we should know what our government did, the right-wing will counter with, "Even Obama thinks it endangers national security!"
The reason why this is such a maddening argument is that it is so f'in obvious that the real problem isn't releasing the pictures; it's what we did in the pictures. The argument that Obama so stupidly accepted just now shifts the blame from the people who committed the abuse to the people who want to uncover it and put an end to it.
If you released the pictures and show how the "enhanced interrogation" memos directly led to these abuses, there would be no more torture debate. Everyone could see with their own eyes the horrific results of torture. Now instead, Obama has not just protected the torturers, but empowered them. They now get to claim they tried to protect America and that anyone who tries to show their misdeeds endangers America.
The news reports will tell you that Obama listened to his generals on this. Yes, who put Gen. David Petraeus and Gen. Ray Odierno in their current positions? Oh yes, George W. Bush and Dick Cheney. Very fair and balanced advice you would get from them. This isn't about protecting the troops; it's about protecting their own behinds. They might have been in the chain of command that allowed this abuse to happen. Expecting unbiased advice from them is ridiculous.
Now, it looks to the rest of the world that we are trying to hide something, that we have not turned over a new leaf, that it is the same old lies and duplicity -- and that Obama is on it. This was colossally stupid.
And to add insult to injury, we have to reconcile ourselves to the fact that Dick Cheney still runs DC no matter how unpopular and despicable he is. He still has the Democrats eating out of his hand. Pathetic. Absolutely pathetic.
There should be an overwhelming Democratic and media revolt over this decision. The Democrats cannot be like the Republicans and bow their heads at all of the president's decisions. They should fight him tooth and nail on this. Don't hold your breath. Other than Feingold and a few others, they will all immediately lay down.
But I come back to a question that keeps popping back up -- are there any real journalists in this country? Has everyone become so obsessed with access and so cowed by possible governmental reaction that they don't actually do their job anymore? They seem so damn frightened by what the big, bad government might say about them.
If there's a real journalist in this country, they will get their hands on those pictures and release them to the world. We did what is in those pictures. The longer we cover it up, the more culpable we all become. Not showing the pictures doesn't make the reality of what happened go away. It only aids and abets the torturers who did the crimes and stained this country's name. They should all be thrown into the sunlight. This is what the press is supposed to do.
Now, are so-called journalists going to act or are they going to just sit there and take it again? We're going to find out if we have attack dogs in the press that uncover the truth as it actually is or if we just have a bunch of lap dogs that can't wait for their master to give them the crumbs off his table. This is a litmus test. Is this an free and open country, or isn't it?
Yes, transparency will ultimately reduce recruit numbers by our enemies in the long term. However, in the short term, many Muslisms will only see the bruises and scars in the photos. They won't hear about the government investigation, the fact that these occured four years ago under a different administration, or the fact that these practices are no longer taking place.
We are currently backing the Pakistan Government against the Taleban, not in just some sort of military operation, but in a full blown war. There is the real risk that the Taleban will overthrow the government and expose Pakistan's nuclear arsenal to uncontrollable elements. The support of the tribal population in the Swat Valley is crucial for the government to take control. I believe that is the reason that Obama is withholding the release of these photos.
Obama's best play now is to appeal this to the Supreme Court, then lose the case. Hopefully, Pakistan will stabilize in the time it takes for this case to go from the 2nd to the Supreme. There is nothing lost from having the photos archived for another year.
If some would-be terrorist group, be it Al-Qaeda or any others, who possess the means but [thus far] not the will, and only needed some incendiary photos to push them over the edge, what is the difference between showing the photos to them and saying "well we have bad photos; but actually they're so bad we won't even show them". Oh OK, well no need to blow anything up if we didn't see any actual pictures... uh huh, yeah. Either they are just itching for a reason to Kill Us or they are not.
Meanwhile, by refusing to release the pictures, Obama is making a clear statement (whether he really wants to or not) that it's more important to protect the power structure than to protect what little integrity our government possesses. I am very disappointed.
I still feel that overall, Obama is doing a great job, but in 2 very important matters (banking regulations and these pictures), he has not just fumbled, but politely handled the ball to the other team and invited them to walk leisurely toward his goal line.
a paper. The cynic in me is whispering that this is Obama throwing a bone
to the rapidly declining newspapers, letting them have the story to prop up
the "We can't have a democracy without the press"..
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No, he didn't and your argument is specious. The same New York Times article 2 days ago says that Obama listened to his field commanders in Iraq (Odierno) and the new guy in Afghanistan. To claim that he "listened " to Cheney is just wrong.
The fact that the generals may have ended up where Cheney did, or does, simply is coincedental.
You're wrong. You're right that the pictures released in the US might further the debate by making it real to viweres but if that's the case, just rerun the Abu Ghraib pictures. You can't deny that Abu Ghraib did lead to increased bombings and recruitment of suicidists in Iraq. But it wasn't just the pictures, it was the prisoners who were released who told the stories, oddly enough without television.
Uygur and the like can't understand that or respect it. They too change their minds on things but you'll never see them admit it. Their writings just move on to another topic.
Saying Bush apologized and threw soldiers under the bus. He did. He also didn't disclose the rewritten laws for their convenience. He protected the Administration.
So Uygur, unless you come speaking truth, quit blogging. You're trying to justify this in your mind. You say 'doesn't really do it for the American people', firstly you don't speak for me and I didn't give you permission to. You've also stepped past the point of no return to where now you believe 'the people' are not knowledgeable and/or educated. Wrong Bud
Much like the IQ-challenged Bush loyalists who always chanted 'support the troops' like a mantra, their answer for every lie and misdeed, a group of people here just keep repeating the lie that this is all about protecting our troops. Unbelievable!
This Rovian talking point could not be further from the truth and sounds more like a W Bush logic trip, than an Obama statement. But it is what it is. No lipstick can change this pig.
Blocking the truth about torture to protect Bush from prosecution is wrong, and the excuses offered say much about the depravity of those who promote them.
Johathon Turley makes some great points about this issue.
http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/05/14/turley-on-abuse-photos-greatest-bait-and-switch-in-history/
Pres. Obama did a fine job recently repairing "most" of damage GB did to our reputation around the world -- releasing more photo's will do nothing but stir that angry pot again. And I doubt more photo's are needed to build a case if that's what this is really about.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/photos-us-doesnt-want-seen/2006/02/14/1139890737099.html
Release the damned photos. You wouldn't even know about the memos if it wasn't for the ACLU. They won their case. And what's worse is Bush released the first batch. Barack can't even match him in that.
When we've seen one picture -- we've seen them all.
It's like boobs -- seen one, you've seen them all
So those that continue to say they should be released, they are the ones that create traffic jams at an accident as they rubber neck to see the dead bodies on the side of the road.
To release the pics does not add or improve on the knowledge that under the last administration, they rewrote the law for their use -- illegally.
Why are you protecting Bush? Is it because we'll probably lose N. Pelosi, J. Harman, B. Graham and J.Rockefeller? What would be the downside of ridding the government of corrupt Democrats (and Rethugs)? Using States Secrets privileges, and fighting every lawsuit against the tyranny of George Bush's war crimes in one thing, but to threaten Britain by withholding intelligence if they release torture memos is a bit much, isn't it? REALLY. Well, good luck with this. I'm sure the Rethugs will be most happy dragging you down in their complicity. See ya at the Hague! Love, Yermammy :)
Flaming liberals want to keep adding fuel to the fire. When there are trials against criminals and there are gory photos, only a few are viewed so as not to enrage the jury. The media and informed country realize that liberals are "salt of the earth" and good influence on promoting progress and reform, but eventually they need to be stroked like good watchdogs that we need to keep.
Please, enlighten me!
I am concerned that releasing more pictures of acts which were undeniably brutal and uncivilized will simply cause those who look at them to become insensitive to what they show being done.
Of course those responsible, particularly Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice and the rest of the Bush Administration big-wigs should be punished, to the full extent of the law. Not the law as re-written to order by Yoo, Bybee, Addington and the rest. But, the law as it was before it was tinkered with to cover the asses of the Bush Administration. The lawyers should also be held accountable, for not having the courage to say NO to writing laws to cover clearly illegal and immoral acts.
The important thing, if we have to choose, is to bring the full weight of the people and their outrage down on these immoral and sadistic excuses for leaders, who, thank God are not longer in power.
How President Obama does this is still ongoing.
I have faith that he will find a way and that it will be far more just than anything the Bush Administration thought would happen. They thought they could just walk away with millions of the tax dollars of the people in their pockets, unpunished. Let us, and the new Administration prove them wrong.
I'm so UN-trusting of Government now, that I have NO trust even in a Panel looking at these images to see if it was widespread and part of POLICY, not just the few we punished for being at the least encourage to do as they did...
So actual Torture did not endanger our troops, but if we clean up the mess and honestly do so, that does endanger our troops?
Torture, Spying on Citizens are acts of FEAR... FEAR spewed out in the form of two Invasion/ Occupations and crashed Ours and the World's Economy... NOW we are being told to fear being honest about cleaning up Torture... Most fitting word is Grrrrrrrrrrrrr.....