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Obama's Tipping Point

Posted: 08/09/11 09:34 AM ET

I have been saying for a long time now that President Obama is the world's worst negotiator and has absolutely no interest in fighting for progressive principles. I didn't make this up out of the whole cloth. I voted for the guy and I desperately wanted him to succeed. But my job is to cover politics and when you cover Obama all you see is him running for cover.

Let me give you a small example nobody talks about, but I think is telling. After Gabby Giffords was shot, his administration indicated that he would do a major speech on gun control ... later. I told my audience that was not going to happen. Why? Because I know Obama. He hates, hates, hates conflict. And he would never take on an issue where he did not have overwhelming support. It's not in his nature.

Of course, there was no major speech. Instead there was a small op-ed buried in a local Arizona paper (a lot of times they write op-eds when they don't want any video out there that can be used in campaign commercials or repeated on the evening news that night). But that wasn't even the telling part. There were about half a dozen issues he could have addressed on gun control. The major one after the shooting was how many bullets a magazine could hold. Would he address that? Of course, not!

It turned out that he advocated for every position that polled over 67%. But, alas, the magazine issue only polled at 51% -- not good enough for Obama. He has the majority of Americans behind him, this was the major issue being discussed at the time and he has an incredible moment to tell this story -- and he left it out of the editorial. It's hard to imagine a politician more timid. It's almost as if he is trying to be the exact opposite of Bush -- all brains, no guts.

These days many are also wondering about the brains part. Has he not been paying attention to Republicans at all? Is he awake? Could any sentient person actually believe they were going to compromise this time around, let alone the next time? He was out there this morning talking about how he is looking forward to compromising with Republicans again over the Super Committee.

Unfortunately, that is the only guiding principle Obama has -- compromise. But that is no principle at all. What if I wanted to sell you a car for $10,000 and you offered me $1? Would compromise dictate that I sell it to you for $5,000? For $2? What if the car is really worth about $10,000, should I compromise anyway? Compromise is a tactic, it's not a principle. It doesn't give you the right answer. It is sometimes necessary, but offers no guidance in what should be the final outcome.

Can anyone name Obama's principles? Something he will not bend on? A progressive priority he will defend to the end?

Does Obama even think of himself as a progressive? He once pointed to a glass half-filled with water and told Sen. Bernie Sanders, "That's the problem with you progressives. You see this as half-empty." You progressives?

But does anyone think that the guy who hired Tim Geithner, Rahm Emanuel, Larry Summers, William Daley, Peter Orszag, Ben Bernanke, etc. is remotely progressive? If you looked throughout the whole country, could you find more conservative, establishment Democrats? Barely, if at all. And, of course, some of those guys aren't even Democrats.

But finally, it isn't just us on the "professional left" pointing this out. After yet another unconditional surrender in the debt ceiling talks, he's hit his tipping point. Just go talk to any group of liberals in the country and see if half of them aren't incredibly pissed off at him. I do it all the time and their whispers of discontent has grown into a cacophony.

Finally, nearly every progressive commentator is talking about his profound weakness, if it even is that and not something worse (some have started to question whether he even wants to win on progressive issues or if he is fundamentally conservative).

Now, the Obama supporters won't believe this either. They'll blame the messenger as usual. But go ahead, ignore this message at your peril. Apparently, the people at the White House think they're such geniuses. "Did you know it turns out centrists decide elections?" This is the kind of politics you learn in third grade and they think they're playing three dimensional chess. Yes, independents are important, but they hate weakness in their leaders. Giving the Republicans everything they want every single time doesn't appeal to any independents and will lead to half of your own voters staying at home.

How did he not see that the Republicans would bludgeon him with the lack of jobs after he agreed to their spending cuts -- which would only lower the number of jobs in the country? How could anyone not see that and think they know anything about politics?

A young woman I talked to at the airport last week said that she will not vote in the next election. I hate to hear that. I think if you don't vote, you have no right to complain the next time around. You have voluntarily ceded your voice in this democracy. I told her that and she said, "After Obama, what is there left to hope for?"

If the clever guys at the White House don't realize they've hit their tipping point, they're in for a rude awakening when that tsunami washes over them. They're headed into the 30s in the polls and I don't think they have any clue how to get out of there. They don't even know that they're about to hit an iceberg. They think they're just one more compromise from turning the corner.

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ObamaLover1
03:06 PM on 08/23/2011
Your critique of the President lacks any sense..He is a weak negotiator..that is because you dont understand negotiations which is why you are not on MSNBC. You take the Tea Party to task becasue they dont compromise yet you want the President to do the same. Cenk for all your rehtotric..Obama legislation record proves your weak claim to be with out merit...You act as if Obama should spend most of his time arguing with Republicans instead of legislating which is what he was sent to Washinton to do. I am glad you are off MSNBC becasue you reminded me of a Progressive Hannity.
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Charismatron
12:27 AM on 09/01/2011
Obama is a weak negotiator because observers don't understand negotiations? You either have Obama on a really high pedestal or consider the average person so completely mentally handicapped as to not be able to recognize and understand negotiations.

Negotiation is not rocket science and there's no use in pretending that it is.
02:27 PM on 08/16/2011
I didn't vote for Obama. I considered him to be without any of the experience needed to tackle the toughest job in the US. (The fact that this was also true of Clinton and Bush II doesn't change matters.)
His slippery, secretive, and sometimes sleazy history were also reasons not to back him.
But why are "progressives" disappointed? What did he promise them that he didn't deliver on?
Sure, he found closing Gitmo and leaving Iraq immediately to be impossible, but what did he promise domestically and fail to do? His promises were so vague that you could read into them anything you wanted. And that's precisely what "progressives" and many independents did.
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TRex86
Enjoying life in West Ohio
07:45 PM on 08/14/2011
When Nixon was (nearly) impeached the Republicans got the message. Whether justified or not, politics became total warfare. They exploited Carter's weaknesses and blamed him for global calamities no one could prevent. When Clinton got elected, thanks to Ross Perot, they went right at him with every charge, real and imagined: murderer, rapist, drug dealer. Clinton obliged by unzipping his fly. Voila! Impeachment for fellatio, an impeachable Republican "high crime and misdemeanor."

Over the past 30 years they've upped the stakes. Winner take all. As a minority party they MUST suppress the vote--and they do it brilliantly, delivering GW Bush's two presidential wins with magic tricks in Florida and then Ohio. Now they're after Obama in the same fashion with their right wing noise machine blasting 12x7. He has Carter's unimpeachable probity so they cast him as a Black Power, Liberation Theology, Muslim, communist-socialist-nazi, Kenyan anti-colonialist. They obstruct everything he tries. (And sadly his efforts have been rather feeble lately).

Democrats must wake up. The Republicans can't win numerically, and they can't win on ideas. They win by following their established playbook: do all they can to destroy any Democrat's presidency. Republicans think they own the presidency because they know how to use it to further their ends, ie, making the rich a whole lot richer. In the process they have no use for compromise or collaboration. Why abandon successful tactics when gridlock works so well.
09:52 AM on 08/13/2011
Well if liberals like Cenk and Matt Miller:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/why-im-mad-at-obama/2011/08/10/gIQAhEPi6I_story.html

are now criticizing Obama, they must be racists just like the Tea Party.
05:36 PM on 08/18/2011
Say what? We are disappointed in his leadership. Not his existence. I actually love the guy and think he is a wonderful example of a decent dad, husband and fellow human being. I just do not think he is fighting the GOP like the country needs him to do for our survival. He needs to get out there and work against them instead of trying to agree with them all the time.
Racism is when people wanted to "take their country back" when he had just taken office and had not materially changed anything yet. He still hasn't. But they are still freaking out about his evil socialism, etc. In fact he acts like a moderate Republican which is what freaks US out.
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429freckles
Ex Republican Now Devoted Democrat
04:55 PM on 08/12/2011
Profound summary Cenk. I hate to say it, because I voted for the guy too, but you are right. He'd make a good lawyer on an arbitration board after his term ends. But, I happen to think that he will get re-elected & by a wide margin. Just look at what the Republicans are offering!! The absurdity of allowing anyone of the stated 'runners' in office is terrifying to both moderate Republicans, Democrats & Independents. We like our medicare, we like our social security. (although I am NOT old enough for either my parents are) We want healthcare (albeit not this HCR law- single payer) The middle class is tired of bearing all the burdens of the downturn as well as taking all the hits to public programs. I want to believe that Obama will be a better second term President than he has been in his first. At this point, I have my doubts, but I'm still full of hope.
03:31 PM on 08/12/2011
Obama says he is a democrat because he is a politician­. But that doesn't mean ordinary citizens can do the same. His actions are politics as usual. We are not politician­s. And if we are enablers, talking out of two sides of our mouth at once like a politician­, we embrace the betrayal and legitimize it.

We are not politician­s, or crypto-mov­ie stars taking part in a larger drama or "the great game.". We are the people living the results of politics. There is no next time or eventually that will come to fruition, where we can finally stand up for what we believe in. We live here right now and not standing up for what we believe in becomes who we are, how we live, and what we believe. It clears the space necessary for what actually happens to us, and guides and eases its unfolding.

Not standing up for what we believe does not postpone what we believe in. It defines it. There is no being who you are or believing what you believe later. You're doing it now. Embracing republican policies does not make you a democrat who is a canny schemer, someone who understands realpolitik, and a great long-term thinker.

It makes you a republican­.
11:12 AM on 08/12/2011
Great post Cenk!
It is so frustrating. I wonder if Americans Elect will really field a candidate? That will be the real slap both political parties need.
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Marcospinelli
an old liberal Democrat, a 'New Deal'-Democrat
04:39 AM on 08/12/2011
I just don't know what to make of this man anymore. Is he a fraud? Just a poor leader? Limited non-orating skills? Stockholm Syndrome? I am dumbstruck watching him squander a historical mandate, and get so easily played and entrapped by a radical opposition party.

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The DLC-controlled DemocraticParty counts on voter ignorance and gives lip service to all populist issues.  Like the RepublicanParty, the DLC works for the benefit of transnational corporations.  Each party uses high-priced public relations firms, with spinmeisters crafting sophisticated propaganda campaigns to con voters into believing what isn't true.

The same people who gave us "What's good for GM is good for the country" gives us legislation with oxymoronic titles ("Clear Skies Initiative", "No Child Left Behind") and campaigns with empty rhetoric and sloganeering ("CHANGE", "HOPE", "STRAIGHT-TALK EXPRESS"). All calculated to convince the left and the right within each party that their party's candidate shares their positions.  

Democratic voters thought they were saying no to all that, corporate and lobbyist control when they chose Obama over Hillary (Hillary supporters are comprised of DLCers and those who don't know anything about the DLC and believe the Clintons are liberals).

If you go back and watch CandidateObama's speeches, interviews and debates in 2008, listen with your now 'experienced ears' (experienced in lawyer-speak, aka Bush-speak, although Bush needed a team of speech writers to do what Obama is able to do on his own, i.e., think on his feet), I think you'll see that Obama spoke carefully and precisely to give people the sense of what they wanted to hear to get their vote.  

Obama got into office by misleading Democratic voters. He ran to the left of HillaryClinton.  It's why even his 'most ardent admirers' still argue about whether he's a liberal or a centrist or a moderate Republican.  He convinced centrists that he was a centrist.  He convinced liberals he was a liberal posing as a centrist.  [News Flash: Even BruceBartlett, domestic policy advisor to RonaldReagan and Treasury official in the George HWBush administration said the other day, "i think the dirty secret is that Obama is a moderate conservative. if i were a liberal democrat, i probably would be upset."  And for those who won't accept that, "Privately, Obama describes himself as a Blue Dog Democrat"]

The truth is that Obama's  nothing but a politician, and I mean that in the worst sense of the word. In the 'used car salesman' sense.  It turns out that doing what's right for transnational corporations is what Obama is about, and trying to sell it as good for Americans is what he does afterwards. He's the epitome of the 1950s Republican, "What's good for GM is good for America."  He did a snow job on everybody.
11:27 AM on 08/12/2011
You are so right f/f.
I would not vote for Hillary because the Clintons were up to their necks in the DLC, along with pals like Harold Ford and Joe Lieberman. It is WORK to get informed because there is so much misinformation. If not an outright lie or lie of omission, at least much deliberately misleading information. But with such high unemployment and high frustration there is more participation than ever on the blogs.

Marcospinelli- do you think it is possible that Americans Elect will actually get a candidate on the ballot?
I went to americanselect.org and registered as a delegate. Why not? I'm up for any alternative to this corrupt system.
07:18 PM on 08/11/2011
Anyone interested in a conservative's POV? (Ducks.) President Obama isn't "lazy" or a "coward." He's a guy without enough executive management experience for the job. Considering his lack of experience, he's actually doing pretty well.

His inexperience often shows in using terms like "compromise." A good executive doesn't talk about compromises. He talks about tradeoffs and priorities. Yes, win-win is cliche, but it also happens to be a lot of truth behind the concept.

Progressives and conservatives can work together to both get what they want on many issues, if we can dig deep enough to find our common values. A good executive would intuitively know that, and can use appropriate language to find common ground.

BTW, a budget deal that cuts tens of billions when there's 1.5 trillion deficit isn't a serious deal for either side. There isn't a winner or loser ... just kicking the can until we're forced to deal with the issue. And at some point, we will be. Let's be friends when that happens.
socialtalker
this micro-bio is a great idea!
03:32 AM on 08/13/2011
the problem with obama is not a lack of management experience. its some serious flaws in his core nature or his complicity that will be his undoing. nor is the problem the use of terms like compromise, the problem is obama trades off and compromises and gets nothing in return. and the GOP and tea party DONT compromise, they basically get everything they want. liberals need to demand and not compromise on defense cuts and a raise in taxes. we have had these tax cuts for 10 years now and they have produced nothing but jobs overseas.
05:48 PM on 08/13/2011
Very nice to see a conservative here who isn't just frothing about Obama being from Kenya or some such nonsense. I hope you stick it out here, because many folks pop in here and wind up being conservatism's worst advertisements.

Then again, I think conservatives and republicans have been quite different categories for a long time now.
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Nick Walsh
"Have Pen Will Fight"
02:49 PM on 08/11/2011
Not being from the USA it's hard to keep track of every move. You should know, however, that your president is perceived by many here in Canada as horribly weak. Why does he never look at the camera head on? Why can he only string 5 or 6 words together at one time? Can he not speak in long and articulate sentences that at least make some sense?

From my vantage point, this guy has done more to harm American than any president I can remember... and that goes back to Truman! Thankfully, it has happened so fast, and was so painful, that I believe he is going to get hammered in 2012.... assuming he has the "Baraksticles" even run.

On a side issue, I continue to be baffled that you haven't gone after this guy for his citizenship. You've all seen the fake birth certificate. You've seen that he listed Kenya on his certificate before it was even called Kenya. Any Photoshop guru can laughingly see the amateurish effort to produce that certificate. He's not qualified to be your president.

The world needs you to be strong. BO is doing every thing in his power to ensure you won't be. Get on that .. .please!
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429freckles
Ex Republican Now Devoted Democrat
05:19 PM on 08/12/2011
Happy to hear you live in Canada. Because, you really are uninformed on the facts - particularily the fact that Obama IS a US citizen. He was born in Hawaii. PROVEN FACT.

Since you are so very quick to believe this flaming pants on fire lie, I can find absolutely no reason whatsoever to place an ounce of credibility in your summary of our President.
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Anym
Obama is GoldmanSachs
09:29 AM on 08/11/2011
David Frum(W speechwriter), Andrew Sullivan(Iraq Cheerleader), and Bruce Bartlett(Reagan aide) all think the President if a Conservative.

I tend to go with the old adage if it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck......
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Marcospinelli
an old liberal Democrat, a 'New Deal'-Democrat
04:42 AM on 08/12/2011
"Privately, Obama describes himself as a BlueDog Democrat".  

Blue Dog = You might as well re-register as a Republican
08:51 AM on 08/11/2011
Cenk, Obama made bold decisions early in his presidency. Bold decision #1: Stimulus. The problem is he didn't oversee or micromanage such an important piece of legislation...maybe he did and he was in a magnanamous mood to reward loyalists. He let the Stimulus fly on it's own without much attention giving the impression "OK now that'd done, let's move on". Now came ObamaCare, without seeing any REAL economic movement. Any good Stimulus could have was beat down by ObamaCare. Didn't help with his not funny joke about shovel ready jobs not there readily. I realise he wanted get things done but a wise man would know you build on successes. He didn't have a success to build on due to his impatience. In fact, he sabatoged himself.
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Marcospinelli
an old liberal Democrat, a 'New Deal'-Democrat
04:44 AM on 08/12/2011
Democrats have had everyone they need to do the job they were put into power to do for the American people. 

During the Bush years, Democrats said if the People wanted change, they had to put Democrats in the majority in Congress. In 2006, we did.  Nothing changed. 

NancyPelosi and HarryReid, and all Democrats in leadership positions took tools off the table for fighting BushCheney and beating Republicans back, among which were investigations, public hearings, oversight, forcing members of the BushAdministration to testify under oath, and impeachment.  

They said, "You have to give us more Democrats -- 60 in the Senate".

In 2008, we gave them 60 for the DemocraticCaucus. And we gave them the White House. 

Obama came into office with the wind at his back. More people voted for him, a black man in good old raclst America than ever voted for any other presidential candidate in the history of the US. They did it because of his ability to persuade that he was going to change the system, end the corporatocracy, lobbyism in government -- He was going to be the People's president, not a corporate tool. 

And no sooner did Obama get elected than he slammed the brakes on the momentum of his election & a filibuster-proof Senate (tentative yet, with 2 senators, Kennedy & Byrd, at death's door), Obama did a 180-degree turn on his promises & slooooowed everything down. To "work in a bipartisan manner with Republicans", after Republicans had already announced they were going to block everything Democrats wanted to do, vote no on everything, in lockstep. 

Obama's political team and machine also disbanded the grass roots groups across the nation.  Those who know anything about politics know that this was a dead giveaway that the last thing these politicians want is an active populist movement.

Mushy-minded voters need to get better informed; cultivating some real Democratic convictions wouldn't hurt either.  Because whether it's taking single payer universal health care, a public option, investigations and prosecutions of BushCheney, etc., off the table, putting SocialSecurity, Medicare, Medicaid, veterans' care, etc., on the table, or continuing the BushCheney policies and going BushCheney one better (by asserting that presidents have the right to k!ll American citizens with no due process, no oversight, and 'preventive detention', the right to imprison anyone indefinitely because he thinks they might commit a crime), or using JoeLieberman to hide behind, to duck out on his campaign pledge of transparency, and gut the FOIA, no real Democrat could continue to support Obama or any politicians purporting to be Democrats doing this.
11:38 AM on 08/12/2011
It is work to get informed but we must do it. Also, we contribute to our own demise by having such an abysmal voting percentage in this country. No other country citizen's gives away their power like the Americans do.

It is time to wake the sleeping giant.
socialtalker
this micro-bio is a great idea!
03:34 AM on 08/13/2011
wish i could fan you again.
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mpp77019
King Kong Kitchie Kitchie Ki-Me-O
03:41 AM on 08/11/2011
Obama is not an intelligent man. Once you realize that his whole presidency makes a lot more sense.
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Graywolf48
If you’re not at the table, you’re on the menu
10:51 AM on 08/11/2011
He's an educated man, not necessarily an intelligent man. I've known many educated idiots in my lifetime. But educated or intelligent or not, his major character flaws are he's lazy and he's a coward.
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12:35 AM on 08/11/2011
You compromise when half the differnce is acceptable to both parties. Unfortunately, with the GOP it's their way or nothing at all.
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Marcospinelli
an old liberal Democrat, a 'New Deal'-Democrat
04:49 AM on 08/12/2011
The People's Budget (read it here).  

Why aren't Obama, Reid, Pelosi and Democrats talking about the Progressive Caucus's budget and plan to balance the budget (reduces the deficit by $5.1 trillion)?  It beats Obama's AND Republicans' plans.

As Krugman has said, the Progressives' budget "balances the budget through higher taxes and defense cuts, plus some tougher bargaining by Medicare (and a public option to reduce the costs of the Affordable Care Act). The proposed tax hikes would fall on higher incomes, raising the cap on payroll taxes (takes care of Social Security's solvency forever)... and unlike the Ryan plan, it actually makes sense."
 
But Obama takes solutions that work for the People, the vast majority of Americans, off the table.  Whether it's ending Bush's tax cuts or the wars, the '14th Amendment Solution' (and it is, indeed, a legitimate option), etc., Obama kneecaps and handicaps the Democratic voters who put him and Democrats into power.  

That's Obama's style, taking solutions that work for the People off the table and out of consideration when we're discussing how we want to proceed.  That's what he did during the healthcare debate -- He took single payer off the table before negotiations ever began.  Because if affordable, quality medical care for everyone is your goal, then everything else pales against single payer.  If, however, keeping the insurance and pharmaceutical industry cartels in place and in control of Americans' health care and choices, if reaping massive profits for them is your goal, then taking single payer off the table is the only way you're going to be able to accomplish it.

If Republicans are going to turn down anything Obama and Democrats put forth, why then aren't Obama and Democrats fighting for the BEST plan out there?
11:50 AM on 08/12/2011
No surprise the media is complicit too. The bold, new Ryan plan got so much coverage- but you hardly heard a peep about the people's budget. Thanks for posting the link.
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Dahveed1
Rational discussion is the basis of a democracy.
11:56 PM on 08/10/2011
I have to disagree with this article. The ability to compromise is important to a politician. Obama may be too quick to compromise, but that's better than never compromising on anything.
04:24 AM on 08/11/2011
So let me get this straight. Obama is too quick to compromise, and gets nothing. The republicans don't compromise AT ALL, and they get everything they want. I'd say never compromising is better that being too quick to compromise.
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Dahveed1
Rational discussion is the basis of a democracy.
08:54 AM on 08/11/2011
Yeah, well Obama is too quick and some of those repubs were way too slow. Perhaps neither is good at actually governing.
08:04 AM on 08/11/2011
Compromise is only good if the result is a reasonable outcome. The GOP is at least principled in their belief in downsizing government and reducing spending. They wanted cuts of more than $5 trillion dollars, just as Obama's own Erskine Bowles commission recommended. They also recommended reforming the tax code in order to increase tax revenues. The result shows that the GOP did in fact compromise. They got much fewer spending cuts than they wanted -- cuts that if made would have prevented a credit downgrade -- and got no tax reform.

It was Obama who would not compromise on tax reform in order to have increased tax revenues. He needed to punish the wealthy as part of his class warfare platform and didn't feel that another, more effective approach, but one that did not punish the rich, would be useful personally.

The public will see this before the elections.
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Dahveed1
Rational discussion is the basis of a democracy.
09:00 AM on 08/11/2011
Reasonable outcome? Well, the whole thing was a joke. They managed to make such a small cut as to be almost worthless. I'm a fiscal conservative, but it seems even to me that some revenue increases as well as real cuts will be needed to retire this debt. I'd rather see more fees than higher incomes taxes, but thats just me. The whole balancing act must be done carefully to avoid slowing the economy any more.