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We had Congressman Mike Rogers on MSNBC Tuesday regarding his controversial comments calling for capital punishment of Pvt. Manning, who is charged with releasing classified information to Wikileaks.

Rep. Rogers was very clear and re-iterated his call for execution of Bradley Manning if he is convicted of the charges because he believes they are tantamount to treason.

But he went further when I asked him what he would have done with Daniel Ellsberg who leaked the Pentagon Papers. He said he wasn't clear on the facts of that case, but if Ellsberg had released information that put soldiers in the field at risk that he would have "absolutely" callled for his execution. I don't think even Nixon went that far.

I've actually said before that I understand why the military has to arrest and punish leakers like Pvt. Manning. As much as those leaks added clarity to the kind of wars we've conducted in Iraq and Afghanistan, I can understand why the military can't have privates making that decision on their own. However, I do think there is an option between not doing anything and executing him.

And what would happen if we held other leakers like Scooter Libby, Bob Novak and Karl Rove to Congressman Rogers' standard? Eventually, all three admitted that they released the name of a secret operative to the press when they outed Valerie Plame (they claimed they didn't know how secret her role was and eventually there was no trial on the substance because Scooter Libby obstructed the investigation -- and was convicted for doing so). Leaking her identity could have gotten her and her contacts in the field killed. Should Libby, Novak and Rove been tried for treason and executed?

Finally, it also seems pretty clear that someone close to Gen. McChrystal leaked his plan for Afghanistan before President Obama made his decision on escalation (this was before the on-the-record interviews with Rolling Stone). Should we find who that guy is and hang him, too? What if it was Gen. McChrystal himself? And how come Republicans weren't calling for executions during all of those leaks?

It turns out that things get pretty messy once you start calling for executions. Let's take a deep breath and figure out what the real solution is to a whistleblower that reveals important information that the public has a right to know but violates clear military rules to do so. That's a complicated question and one that doesn't get solved by killing anyone.

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dlo2
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12:31 AM on 08/16/2010
Rogers was not yet in diapers when Ellsberg did his notable deed that aborted the continuation of a tragic war...a deed that would save many lives that would have been lost if the papers had not been published as public information. It appears that Representative Rogers is demonstrating an issue that is truly disturbing. In previous decades in this country, most candidates for Congress and public office would pride themselves in having literacy in basic American history (and the Constitution) before venturing into Congress. All the more reason for Congressional members to be mandated to pass a preparatory exam on American and world history, American politics 1776 to the present, American literature, and, especially, basic reasoning and analysis before being allowed to vote on any legislation. Dumbing down America is the antithesis in creating a nation able to compete in the world and prosper domestically...what pathos.
01:41 PM on 08/07/2010
I am a Combat Veteran of Vietnam; I APPLAUD this PFC's guts; he MAY be executed; but I guarantee you he is SAVING countless American LIVES. We had 60,000 Americans killed in a worthless war in Vietnam; IF we would have had the net back then; we wouldnt have had 10,000 killed. GET OUT of UNWINNABLE wars in the Middle EAST....I guanteee you troops are going to being to REFUSE to go to this waste of American lives...this Cesspool,
10:35 PM on 08/05/2010
I put info needed to cast an intelligent vote on a higher plane than most military secrets. If revealing secrets endangers soldiers, we can move them somewhere else, or bring them home. If we don't have the info to vote intelligently (and for other reasons), how can we call this a democracy?
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10:01 PM on 08/05/2010
Mr Manning is a Hero. It is not often enough that the TRUTH is published. Lies and innuendo spouted by politicians and the facts of military actions are swept under the rug "to save our soldiers" from harm's way. Well people "to save our soldiers" do not send them to die just because you can. People that force stupid military tactics to be carried out just to prove they could do it. There is so much fraud and mismanagement in the military and someone needs to tell us about it. As I said before I think Mr, Manning is a HERO
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reynard61
Going where Angels fear to tread...
04:28 PM on 08/05/2010
"And what would happen if we held other leakers like Scooter Libby, Bob Novak and Karl Rove to Congressman Rogers' standard? Eventually, all three admitted that they released the name of a secret operative to the press when they outed Valerie Plame (they claimed they didn't know how secret her role was and eventually there was no trial on the substance because Scooter Libby obstructed the investigation -- and was convicted for doing so). Leaking her identity could have gotten her and her contacts in the field killed. Should Libby, Novak and Rove been tried for treason and executed?"

*Republican mode on* Of course not! It's okay to leak stuff -- even to the extent of endangering lives and/or damaging National Security -- if you're a Republican! Doing so is even more imperative when you need to effect a "regime change" against a dictator who you suspect (but can't conclusively prove) to have nuculer weapons! Libby, Rove and Novak aren't the villains here! The villains are all those lily-livered pacifist Democrats and their french-fry-eating, latte-sipping peace-monger friends who didn't want our Great President to get revenge on that running-dog terrorist Saddam and his cowardly lackeys! *Republican mode off*
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stpetejohnny
12:51 PM on 08/05/2010
To me there is waaaay too much of this cloak and daggar stuff already.
What exactly can our enemy (terrorists) gain from the Wiki Leaks?
Let me know, and will tell you if it matters!
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Micheal Johnson
09:49 AM on 08/05/2010
The first problem here is why does a pvt have access to this kind of info? There are times when the military has to keep secrets. Yes indeed sometimes this is overdone. Keep in mind the military mindset here, better safe than sorry. The press must use some common sense here. If there is any doubt about info being sensitive it should not be made public. This can at times be a tough call, a free society has a right to know. It is the press's responsibility to dig for news keeping in mind the publics need to know.
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stpetejohnny
12:52 PM on 08/05/2010
Just the fact that a Pvt knows or has access to this info tells me in the big picture it doesn't matter.
08:49 AM on 08/05/2010
Treason is lying us into a war.
Only Congress can declare war any other way is treason.
07:44 AM on 08/05/2010
Kill the messenger! That's always the response of the insane when they are exposed for being insane. Self-examination is just not an option when there is a monster in the mirror. So you make an example of the messenger to intimidate and silence anyone else who might question your actions. This has always been the way of tyranny.
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gevan
big dubya
03:22 AM on 08/05/2010
Speaking of Nixon and the military. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/04/AR2010080407297.html
Now we know why he needed that pardon from Ford.
12:40 AM on 08/05/2010
Treason? Treason is making war on the United States or providing aid or comfort to its enemies. Does it not always provide aid and comfort to the enemies of the USA to point out that our political leaders are all lying, chiseling self-dealers who sell out the public interest without the slightest compulsion to war mongers, private contractors, megacorporations - whoever has the bucks?

Certainly the enemies of this country must find such revelations comforting, the more widespread the better, but do you think that was what the founders had in mind when they put that definition in the Constitution?

And who is *really* the traitor? Is it Bradley Manning, whose publication has not been shown to have caused any American casualties but who has mightily embarrassed the military, or is it Dennis Hastert, who as Speaker of the House pushed through legislation benefiting Turkey and then went to work for the government of Turkey immediately upon leaving public office?

The cure for the ills consequent to the Wikileaks disclosure is reform of the military and, ultimately, the Congress. Barack Obama is not off the hook either, as far as I am concerned. I don't think his obedience to wall street or the banks is the change *I* can believe in.
12:28 AM on 08/05/2010
It's way too late to execute Daniel Ellsberg for the Pentagon Papers. However, in the case of Rep. Rogers, . . .
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Norman Allen
It is forbidden to kill unless in large numbers an
11:08 PM on 08/04/2010
The rule for whistle blowers should be: if the revelations benefit the people, upholds the constitution and exposes law breakers/embezzlers/conspirators, then we should reward the whistle blower 50% of monetary value of what he/she may save the public. If he/she exposes criminal activity and conspiracy in high places, then the public should reward them a medal of honor with monetary compensation. We cannot afford the sweetheart deals public officials make with corporations (recall Lockheed's $500 toilet seats? Halliburton's $50 towels, the Blackwater's war profiteering)? We need to find a way to get the military industrial complex monkey off our back that thrives on swindling the public (savings and loans in the 80s, dotcom in the 90s and real estate/mortgage in K2, perpetual war on terror since 2001 with more swindles to follow). No one was allowed to question DICK/Bush about 911 which over 45% of the people believe was an inside job. Will we ever have whistle blowers come forth to reveal the who, what, why and how of the event? Will we ever follow the trail of money, discover why the speedy hauling of the debris, the refusal of DICK/Bush to testify under oath or anyone taking notes and their effort to thwart any objective investigation of the event? Who is making money from perpetual wars? Can we connect the dots? Why nothing is being done? You have the answer.
10:54 PM on 08/04/2010
At least he served 4 years in the Army. I would have puked if he were just another draft dodging chicken hawk making that statement.

Dick Cheney anyone?
10:51 PM on 08/04/2010
i am an advocate of the death penalty but the crime has to fit the punishment and the accused must be found guilty beyond any shadow of doubt.

julius and ethel rosenberg were given the death penalty many years ago. to this day there are
people who make a strong case for their innocence.

imo opinion, the keepers of the records are also guilty of malfeasance. it seems that there was more security at the chelsea clinton wedding. with the amount of technology available, whoever allowed these records to be copied should face charges.