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A Challenge to Rush: Prove Your Ratings

Posted: 03/ 4/2012 11:30 pm

How many listeners does Rush Limbaugh have? Well, in the press there are only two numbers you'll ever see -- 20 million or 15 million. Those are large numbers, so that is why Limbaugh is taken seriously and is believed to be influential.

I've got news for you -- those numbers are a total fabrication. They're made up out of whole cloth. You want to know where the 20 million number came from? It was first printed in Billboard magazine back in 1993. Here is the quote:

"Limbaugh's show is now heard on 610 stations and reaches approximately 20 million listeners, according to [Kit] Carson."

So who is Kit Carson? A guy known as Rush Limbaugh's "chief of staff." In other words, Rush's team simply made up the 20 million number and everyone believed it. He has never, ever presented any evidence to that effect.

The 15 million number comes from Michael Harrison of Talkers magazine. He is considered the leading expert on the talk radio industry. He is a good man and fights hard for his industry. You want to know where he came up with the number? Pretty much pulled it out of the sky. When Tommy Christopher of AOL News (at the time, he is now with Mediate) asked him how he arrived at the figure, here is what Harrison said:

They are only our thumbnail estimates based upon our contacts in the field, tracking of Arbitron estimates and understanding of the business. We make no claims as to "scientific" accuracy... [T]hey are not "ratings" per se.

I love that -- they are not ratings, per se. In other words, those are not his ratings at all! Harrison might have well said, "We took blind guesses and added 5 million, divided by four, multiplied by 12 and then sprinkled some fairy dust on it."

There are no national numbers for Rush's radio audience.

And it gets worse. Until 2007 radio had the worst rating system ever invented. I know, I worked in the industry, and we all knew the numbers were total nonsense. They measured ratings by giving people "diaries." They would keep these diaries for three months and all along they were supposed to be recording what they listened to on the radio every fifteen minutes. What a joke. Most people would fill out the diary at the end and scribble down what they thought they remembered.

So, under that system, big names do much better. You might not remember that you were listening to DJ Ralph McClusky on 106.7FM, but everyone remembered Howard and Rush. The bigger your name (and hype), the more people wrote you down whether they actually listened to you or not. They also wrote down they listened to you more often -- another huge advantage. And does anyone believe that people actually remembered what they were listening to at 2:15PM two and a half months ago?

Then in 2007, radio started switching over to something called Portable People Meters. This did not rely on human memory. It's a device that picks up the radio signal wherever you are and records the station you're actually listening to. So, what happened? It turns out people were listening to a lot more music than they realized and a lot less talk. So, the sports stations, the hot talk and the conservative talk stations were all hurt.

Last year, Crain's New York Business reported that Rush Limbaugh's ratings were down 33 percent. The portable people meters have been expanding to different markets throughout these years (they didn't just replace all of the diaries instantly in 2007, it's taken a while). So, it's unclear how much Rush was hurt by the more accurate readings last year and how much people just stopped listening to him.

But one thing is for sure -- he's hurt, dog! That's why we see the unprecedented apology from him on Sandra Fluke. When this controversy first broke, I predicted on our show that more advertisers would drop him (at the time, only two had). Advertisers are much more likely to drop a controversial guy if his numbers are already down. They'll ride it out if he's still delivering the goods. This is the same thing that happened to Imus. His ratings were miserable already, so advertisers didn't have enough incentive to stick with him when trouble arose.

So, Rush is in big trouble now as more and more advertisers peel off. He's in a tail spin. Why else would you triple down on the "slut" comments from Wednesday to Friday and then issue an apology on Saturday? He has over-reached (in his offensive comments) and undelivered (in his ratings). That's a lethal combo.

But Rush can easily prove me wrong. So, I'm issuing a challenge to him -- show us your ratings. He won't do it because he's embarrassed by them. He has never produced evidence of his ratings and he certainly won't do it now. In fact, I'll make a Mitt Romney like wager. I'll give him $10,000 if he can show us his 20 million listeners.

He claims that 20 million is daily listeners, so that'll be the standard we use. I laugh and laugh as I write that down. Some articles write it is a weekly number, some say monthly. There is no way he can prove even 15 million listeners weekly. I'd be shocked if he can show that kind of monthly number. And is it unique listeners or are they counting the same guys who tune in every day?

Rush's audience is a myth. He is a paper tiger. Do some people listen to him? Of course. Is it anywhere near the hype? Not remotely. Talk radio is a dying business. I wouldn't be surprised if his daily listeners didn't even reach a million. I wouldn't be surprised if we have more online viewers on The Young Turks (which are100 percent Google verifiable) than he has radio listeners.

Rush is a sad, old man that a couple of other sad, old men listen to. His days are numbered. Rush, it definitely wasn't nice knowing you. Tick tock, tick tock.

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09:05 PM on 03/30/2012
15 million plus a week. Cenk, you have a long way to go.
05:16 AM on 03/29/2012
I love when the no-name wannabes use a Rush Limbaugh situation to try and get their name in lights for 3 seconds...

Rush has ruled it for 23 years and counting, through all the attempts you liberal clowns have put forth...

Keep trying, and thanks for playing.

By the way, the one thing you lib-bot clones don't get is that Rush and "followers" are all acting on their own independent values... Conservatives like to be with their "group" of individuals....

You lib clones better be darn glad that conservatives don't actually do the stuff you try to claim, since they are the ones with the money and the real power to do it.... You libs would be relegated to washing cars and fetching dinner for the master if conservatives really wanted to "control" things...
07:29 PM on 03/11/2012
Somehow I think Limbaugh gets more than the 30,000 or 40,000 views each of your videos get and remember that 30,000 or 40,000 counts all of the people who tune in every time to watch (multiple clicks) they aren't any more multipliable than Limbaugh's listeners.

Were Limbaugh's comments stupid? Undeniably so. Is Fluke a slut or a prostitute? Not likely, although her demands to be paid for contraception by a Catholic university were just a bit sketchy. Do I listen to Limbaugh? Not in more than a decade, less than your average liberal. Do I watch The Young Turks? Yes but kind of in a know your enemy type of way.

You make Arbitron's "Portable People Meters" sound like some sort of panacea that will solve every ratings problem. It's just that there are two sides to every story and the other side of People Meters is that they capture everything that's within earshot of a radio listener. So, you go into a store and the clerk is playing the radio softly in the background, it's captured on the People Meter...even though it was likely never heard by the human wearing the People Meter.

Surely you had to know you'd have at least one reader with a bit more than a passing knowledge of radio ratings. People Meters are not the panacea you claim. In fact, they are just Arbitron's latest attempt to remain relevant.
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01:42 AM on 03/21/2012
She did NOT testify about her OWN "demands to be paid for contraception by a Catholic university"; she testified about the medical need for contraception of a woman she knows. Limbaugh's words were not only offensive, but their context was dishonest. He also asserted that "we" (taxpayers) would be paying for her to have sex. No, the insurance companies will be paying for the contraceptives. And by addressing health needs of some and lowering the birth rate for others, that will actually lower health care costs for everyone and the country as a whole.
03:39 PM on 04/18/2012
Where do the insurance companies get the money to pay if they are forced to? From the people who buy the policies. The money is fungible. The students and employees willingly enter into contracts knowing these services will or will not be covered. Please point me to an instance of government interference lowering the real cost of anything. Who is being dishonest now? You are. Whose rights are being threatened? We need to retain the right to enter into voluntary contracts without a government overseer. And the right to practice religion. Which includes not being forced to act in a way that goes against religious beliefs. I am an atheist, but I neither fear nor hate those of faith.
05:54 PM on 03/11/2012
I see it's a week later and still no response from Flush.
What a surprise -- NOT.
02:52 PM on 03/10/2012
You understand ratings don't matter to Clear Channel? Owned by Mitt Romney, it has an obvious right wing agenda.

As long as Rush keeps on saying what the Right Wing wants, his job his secure.

Of course, we all have the choice not to listen. They haven't taken that away from us. Yet.
03:48 PM on 04/18/2012
You really need to look OBJECTIVELY at exactly who is trying to stifle speech on the airwaves. And who they are trying to muzzle. So, the GOP/Right has Rush, the dopey Hannity, Mark Levin, Fox. The left has virtually everybody on NBC, CBS, ABC, MSNBC, CNN, AP, Reuters, and dozens of newspapers. They are getting nervous because some people are waking up to the real propagandists on both sides.
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gomezrules
Why Don't We Do It In The Road?
04:44 PM on 03/08/2012
Gee Cenk, from your perch there at that viewers powerhouse (sic) Current TV, why don't YOU provide 'proof' of the size of his audience? YOU are the one saying that the given numbers aren't so. That should be easy, right?
05:56 PM on 03/08/2012
Because he wouldn't have access to Rush's legitimate ratings. If he did, he wouldn't be issuing a $10,000 bet. If he had them and they were that high, he would issue a bet he knew he would lose if Rush complied, and if he had the numbers and they were as low as he thinks, he would just make them public and forget the bet. Seriously, how the hell do you expect Cenk to have access to that information? Hes making an assumption based off of facts and knowledge of the industry.
05:15 AM on 03/25/2012
A $10,000 bet to a man in the middle of a $400,000,000 contract....yeah, that'll get his attention.
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tclayjr
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04:41 PM on 03/08/2012
I have to give Rush his just due, he does have a face made for radio.
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Heather Ferreira
05:38 PM on 03/11/2012
Yet can't hear a sound. He's deaf.

Unless he is trying hard to advance the cause of the hearing-challenged in broadcasting, which by his behavior and statements he is certainly not, maybe he should fasten his aspirations and attention instead upon becoming spokesperson for his gold-digger's failed iced tea shingle.

Since he has to back said shingle and the inevitable purse-making or puppy-bracelet-designing shingle behind it to keep her his right flipper doling out those occasional 15-second submissions to Thai porn-amped suffocation and rancid sweat beneath (or more likely on top of) him, and not emasculate him further in front of his already cuckolded, resentful male audience by ditching him.

Which is going to happen anyway :)
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tclayjr
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07:49 PM on 03/11/2012
I haven't laughed that hard in a while! A female Lord Byron! (see dedication to Don Juan) :)
07:59 AM on 04/05/2012
Oh, what a card you are. Have you thought of taking up comedy writing?

Nobody, and I mean nobody, has heard that one before. Did you make it up? You must be so clever. Guess your mom is very proud of you with your incisive analysis.

Gosh you are a creative little lefty, you really are.
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Mando1
04:10 PM on 03/08/2012
Rush appeals to the lowest form of society. The blamers and haters. People who feel like that have a right to be rich because they are men and white.
Emereaux
Cerca trova
02:27 PM on 03/08/2012
Thank you Cenk, that's a great idea. I know I'm curious.
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PrunellaC
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02:12 PM on 03/08/2012
"610 stations and reaches approximately 20 million listeners"

Excellent point, Cenk. Just because a particular program is sent to x number of stations and their potential audience is a certain size, that doesn't mean that every person in that market is actually listening.
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skimore
02:12 PM on 03/08/2012
"Look everyone...the emperor doesn't have any clothes on"
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champagne charlie
Ayn Rand and social Darwinism are just wrong!
02:09 PM on 03/08/2012
Business Week put his listenership at around 11 million. That includes people who don't support or agree with him!
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SouthpawSass
01:56 PM on 03/08/2012
Oh Cenk, I wish you were still on MSNBC,.. I would post your you tube videos here every once in a while to make a point or to bring light to the topic. Then there you were with your own show on MSNBC. Now, if Rush can say he has 20 million listeners, I think it's only fair I take credit for your tv fame... No, no... it's okay... I'll be fine. No need to thank me.
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Samurai Cowboy
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11:41 AM on 03/08/2012
Rush and most of the other hate radio people are on am stations that in some markets are fairly low power.
06:18 PM on 03/07/2012
Hi Cenk good to hear from you, nice article. Keep up the good work, best to you.