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Why Republican Voters Can't Make Up Their Mind

Posted: 10/28/11 10:19 AM ET

It seems like every couple of weeks we have a new leader in the Republican field. Michele Bachmann has been there, so have Mitt Romney and Rick Perry, and now Herman Cain sits atop the field. Why can't Republican voters make up their minds?

Here's why -- they don't even believe their own positions. They want someone who is massively conservative and at the same time agrees with them on policy. The problem is the voters aren't nearly as conservative as they think they are. So they love the tough talking governor from Texas until they find out he wants to get rid of Social Security. They like that Michele Bachmann doesn't believe in global warming until they realize that she doesn't believe in it because she's bat-shit crazy.

If you choose ignorance as your party ideology why should it surprise you that you have completely ignorant party leaders? But it does, every single time. Watch, it'll happen again. This time with Herman Cain.

The voters are going to wake up a week from now and realize they're not sure they want someone leading the free world who doesn't know what Ubeki-beki-beki-stan is or what his own position on abortion is. They love his ignorance when it comes to science and basic economics, but they hate it when it shows how unqualified he is.

Well, you can't have it both ways. Someone who is remotely competent or sentient recognizes that 97% of the world's scientists are right about climate change (including even Koch-funded scientists), that cutting deficits during tough economic times does not stimulate the economy and that firing state workers means we have less workers. But those are all against the stated position of Rush Limbaugh and Fox News. So, what is a Republican voter to do?

The answer is to fall in love with another conservative politician this week and find out he is a blithering idiot the next. Or worse yet, find out you don't really agree with any of those positions when they affect you (get your government hands off my Medicare!). That's the schizophrenia of the Republican electorate -- they keep switching leaders because they don't even believe their own positions.

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Thordeer
Greed has won over principle.
08:16 PM on 10/30/2011
You are attributing to conservative voters a subtlety that has eluded them for decades now. They vote for Republicans because the Republicans say lots of socially conservative stuff. The Repugs then deliver nothing on that front and gut regulations and cut taxes on the rich. On these fronts all the Repug candidates are doing exactly the same thing, continuing to deceive their base for their bankers' benefit.
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MarketAnarchist101
Make my enemies ridiculous.
07:26 AM on 10/31/2011
"The Repugs then deliver nothing on that front and gut regulation­s and cut taxes on the rich."
They haven't gutted regulations.. that would actually mean that the corporations would have to compete with smaller businesses.. sad facts are.. the Republicans are perfectly fine being in bed with big business as much as the Democrats are.. both parties have strengthened regulations.. repealed 1 for every 5 they stack on and purposefully create situations that encourage debt and crisis so that people will *gasp* call for more government to protect them.. when the government has been messing it up..

If anything.. the Democrats and Republicans have the same core values.
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Thordeer
Greed has won over principle.
02:37 PM on 10/31/2011
Just a hunch, but the number one thing that would support small business in the US is if we had universal single payer health care. Our rate of self employment and small business formation is the lowest in the developed world.
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Thordeer
Greed has won over principle.
02:40 PM on 10/31/2011
Agreed; both parties are in bad with their big donors. The Supreme Court has accelerated this by essentially legalizing outright and open bribery. I also agree that the regulation books (and the tax code) get thicker and thicker all the time. But then they go and gut the critical regs on which the security of our system relies--Glass-Steagall.
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Carl Caroli
Give peace a chance
03:11 PM on 10/30/2011
Kind of like being on death row and given the option between, lethal injection, hanging, electric chair, firing squad....
09:01 AM on 10/30/2011
The GOP sold out to corperate America more then the Democrats did, and everyone knows it. All the GOP rhetoric and posturing is all aimed at basically the same thing, make it easier for the rich to get richer and controll everything (and anything) they want to. Look at any republic and you'll see a two tier system, the rich and the poor, very little middle class if any, and thats the way republicans like it. Noone with any power but themselves. Well, it isn't going to work in America anymore unless they can come up with a better song and dance. The GOP might as well nominate Scott Walker from Wisconsin, at least he doesn't flip flop and he is totally a corperate slut. In conclusion, no good republican is going to throw his hat in this race because he knows how fragmented the GOP is, and he knows he doesn't have a prayer in h^ll of beating OBAMA. Karl Rove and the Koch Bro.s should be proud of themselves, they played right into Obama's hand and revealed how much CHANGE and HOPE is necessary.Thier intiatives with thier groups,like the tea party,wrecked the GOP and showed them for what they really are,anarchists,bent on controll. Americans haven't been dumbed down enough to see through corperate controlled media spin on things, they can still see through the fog,to some degree.
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graceaustin
03:15 AM on 10/30/2011
BOY did that need saying! Well done.
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SeniorMoment
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12:24 AM on 10/30/2011
In my view the Republicans cannot settle on a candidate primarily because the Republican Party mainstream realizes that their political party is resting on a razor wire that is tough to balance on with none of the candidates really desirable and yet with the future of the Republican Party, including its survival, resting on the next election. I have never met so many former Republicans as this year. The extremist reputation the Tea Party has brought to the national Republican scene has put the Republican Party at risk of death.
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StillIRise
The past, present and future are one
10:44 PM on 10/29/2011
Good article. The Republican candidates do very well in their echo-chamber surroundings. They energize their base with their fiery rhetoric, and with a mixture of enthusiasm and desperation, the base embraces them, one by one, as the second coming. But the moment the candidates step out of the echo chamber, and onto the national stage, their candidacy begins to fall apart, because what works in the echo chamber, simply doesn't work in the real world of America. Each week, therefore, they have a new frontrunner, the one who's going to make toast out of Obama; and each week, another one bites the dust. The echo chamber reality is ABO (anybody but Obama), but the reality in the real world of America is that President Obama cannot be defeated if there's no one on the other side to defeat him, and so far, there's no one on the other side ... For the last 3 years, the Republican Party has devolved into a party whose platform is based on nothing more than fear, hate, and both old and new talking points, and the tea party phenomenon merely solidified the ignorance by which they were beginning to be defined by. And now, in the greatest of ironies, with the candidates they have chosen to compete for the highest office of the land, the Republicans have come face to face with what they've become and with what they themselves have created ... and it's not a pretty picture.
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MarketAnarchist101
Make my enemies ridiculous.
07:21 AM on 10/31/2011
"energize their base with their fiery rhetoric"
Most of the time that's all it is.. empty words with a majority of the 'Republican' Candidates.
"and with a mixture of enthusiasm and desperatio­n, the base embraces them, one by one, as the second coming"
Doubtful.. it's MSM that has been propping up 'opinions' of the 'people' with their support of people like.. Romney who's more of the same with Obama.. and Cain.. who was an absolute nobody until he won one straw poll.
"But the moment the candidates step out of the echo chamber, and onto the national stage, their candidacy begins to fall apart, because what works in the echo chamber, simply doesn't work in the real world of America."
That's because the people that the GOP Leadership and MSM picks for the people are so out of touch with the actual 'republican' base that no one cares what they say anymore.
"The echo chamber reality is ABO (anybody but Obama), but the reality in the real world of America is that President Obama cannot be defeated if there's no one on the other side to defeat him, and so far, there's no one on the other side "
That's not factual in the slightest.. as the national polling of 'potential' republican voters is not representative of the actual sentiment.. only one person can beat Obama in this race but everyone tries to marginalize him.
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MarketAnarchist101
Make my enemies ridiculous.
07:24 AM on 10/31/2011
". For the last 3 years, the Republican Party has devolved into a party whose platform is based on nothing more than fear, hate, and both old and new talking points, "
You mean they did what they've always done.. there is no 'devolving' when it comes to the republicans not being in power.. the only one on the republican side right now that is not based on any of that is Paul.
" and the tea party phenomenon merely solidified the ignorance by which they were beginning to be defined by."
That's because the movement was hijacked by Neo-cons 3 years ago.
"And now, in the greatest of ironies, with the candidates they have chosen to compete for the highest office of the land, the Republican­s have come face to face with what they've become and with what they themselves have created ... and it's not a pretty picture."
Probably what the greatest Irony is that the Leadership wants their version of Obama in office and yet when there is someone that honesty cares about the well-being of everyone.. not a select few people.. everyone marginalizes Paul.. yet, he is the only one that will stand up for your rights and people continue to cheer that their freedoms are being taken away.. Anwar Al-awlaki is a perfect example of this sentiment.
10:22 PM on 10/29/2011
Well said Cenk. These politicians "look" great, then they "say" things and oh boy, that's not what we wanted.
been2there
Facts have a liberal bias.
09:10 PM on 10/29/2011
Why Republican Voters Can't Make Up Their Mind
Republicans have minds? I thought they just used their knee-jerk ganglion.
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MarketAnarchist101
Make my enemies ridiculous.
07:29 AM on 10/31/2011
Voters have made up their minds.. Leadership doesn't like the options... it's Obama, Obama, Obama, Obama... then Paul.
08:19 PM on 10/29/2011
MSNBC is not the same without you, Cenk.
Hope to see more of you on Huffpost.
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bigmaddy
Retired Union, USN
09:10 PM on 10/29/2011
Me too..........fan n fav
10:24 PM on 10/29/2011
True. MSNBC not the same. Watch Cenk on TYT. 6pm. He's the best.
08:02 PM on 10/29/2011
Excellent article - first one I have seen that ties the real world republicans I know to the whacky races that is the GOP primary process......unfortunately I dont see that logic affecting their final choice ... happily I am an Obama supporter so that works for me!
08:20 PM on 10/29/2011
Won't matter which Republican wins the nomination, Obama is a lame duck and even the big money knows it. He's behind his '08 money raising and then he was still a nobody.
08:33 PM on 10/29/2011
Yep!
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bigmaddy
Retired Union, USN
09:12 PM on 10/29/2011
I wouldn't put a bet on that if I was you. You must not be paying attention.
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bigmaddy
Retired Union, USN
09:11 PM on 10/29/2011
fan n fav
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07:45 PM on 10/29/2011
So the American electorate voted in Obama the genius and other genius Democrats, and this administration is proving to be the biggest screw-up of all time. Nothing but incompetence and failure! Just goes to show what intelligent and knowledgeable people are capable of.

Really! Does it make any difference?
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RichieB
Science is true whether you believe it or not
08:15 PM on 10/29/2011
Do you remember what kind of shape this country was in after 8 years of Bush/Cheney/Rove? Well, most of us remnember the mess Obama inherited and we also know that the gop has blocked the dems and Obama from making any progress to move this country forward.
08:35 PM on 10/29/2011
Actually I remember this country coming out of the 2001 recession quickly with unemployment rates going back down to 4% in less than 18 months. And the momentum continued and stocks rose to all time highs. And then the democrats took control of both the house and the senate and it went south...and quick!
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12:46 AM on 10/30/2011
How does Bush/Chene­y/Rove make Obama any less of an incompetent failure? He was elected to fix the problem, not complain about it. All he’s done is to make it even worse. Much worse!
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StillIRise
The past, present and future are one
10:25 PM on 10/29/2011
The screw-up occurred under the administration of George W. Bush, whose administration represented the most collective experience of any presidential administration in American history! The mess that the Bush administration left behind was unprecedented, and it will literally be years, if not generations - if ever - before we can free ourselves from its many repercussions, both at home and abroad. So to answer your question, no it really doesn't make any difference, because President Obama will be re-elected no matter who the GOP nominee is!
07:13 PM on 10/29/2011
That is the truth.
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ConfuciusSay-
Aglets: their purpose is sinister.
12:15 AM on 10/30/2011
It's sadly true.
Only somebody who is a real slowwit could hold all the ideological positions required by GOP Primary voters. And by their nature, they suffer from a terminal incapacity to perform in public office, to conduct a debate, or to even issue a prepared statement.
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Zilo
Independent/Republicans hate freedom
05:49 PM on 10/29/2011
I like Cenk. He's been right about this fact for years: Americans are not anywhere NEAR as conservative as the conservatives in office want you to believe. Or even as conservative as they like to call themselves. They're being lied to and they're lying to themselves. Liberal has become a bad word in our culture and it's been a decided effort by *conservatives*, so many people are afraid to admit that they are actually *not* conservatives. I kind of find the same thing with religious people, actually. They all claim to love Christ and believe everything in the Bible (which, 99 percent of the time they haven't read, but automatically think must be true), and yet you start asking them point by point if they believe in certain things and they'll begin to see the absurdities and contradictions---and say no.

Americans are funny like that, I guess. They don't look at the fine print and they like to belong to the "popular" groups, even if they don't really know what those popular groups represent. I'd say that's a very large part of the reason this country is in as much trouble as it is right now....
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CrankyCurmudgeon
Livin' La Vida Retiredo (but still working a bit)
06:05 PM on 10/29/2011
One of the more dangerous things about the American public is we have adopted a stance of anti-intellectualism, where knowledge is seen as something "elites" possess and is not to be sought after. If we had respect for facts and could understand how to assemble them into concepts that come reasonably close to representing reality, maybe we wouldn't be in such a mess. I'd gladly flip that switch if I could. I'm hopeful the OWS movement is in the process of doing it.
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07:51 PM on 10/29/2011
It is not intellect and knowledge that would be the saving grace. It would be the correct values, which Americans have forgotten. Americans have adopted counterfeit values like “democracy”, “equality" and “human rights" so as to pride themselves that they still believe in something. But there is nothing but emptiness behind those terms.
08:01 PM on 10/29/2011
Knowledge without wisdom is foolishness.
11:24 PM on 11/01/2011
"Americans are not anywhere NEAR as conservati­ve as the conservati­ves in office want you to believe."

Now you have confused me. What is a conservative? What is a true conservative? (beware the No True Scotsman fallacy)

"They all claim to love Christ and believe everything in the Bible (which, 99 percent of the time they haven't read, but automatica­lly think must be true), "

And you, of course, arrogate to yourself to know what 99 percent of bible believers have not done.

Perhaps you are mistaken about some of your other claims.
04:50 PM on 10/29/2011
It goes back to the concept that most Americans in general like to think of themselves as conservative-- "symbolic conservatism." Yet, when we are asked specific questions about policy, especially through polls/surveys, most Americans are operationally liberal.

We LIKE to think of ourselves as conservatives, and the majority of Americans on a survey will identify as "conservative." Then specific questions arise, such as, "Do you think the government should invest more in our educational system?" or "Do you think that billionaires should pay the same percentage of taxes as do the most impoverished Americans?" Most will answer in the affirmative. This kind of "identity crisis" is evident in how Rick Perry can get up there and decry rampant government spending (met with a lot of enthusiasm) but then he goes around lambasting Social Security and Medicare, and then those very same people can become uneasy.
07:15 PM on 10/29/2011
The question then is how do we get them to understand....
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Sci-Fy-Fact
07:49 PM on 10/29/2011
I've tried. But I'd be satisfied if they just didn't keep voting in terrible candidates.
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bigmaddy
Retired Union, USN
09:15 PM on 10/29/2011
Get them to turn off fox.