Analysis of Senator Obama's Overseas Trip

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Posted July 25, 2008 | 06:02 PM (EST)



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This week, Senator Obama began the European leg of his much anticipated overseas trip. I spoke to Washington Post columnist Jim Hoagland, New York Times Jerusalem bureau chief Ethan Bronner and author Robin Wright about their observations after the Senator's first stop in Berlin, where he drew a crowd of more than 200,000 according to German estimates.



 
 

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- livewire19 See Profile I'm a Fan of livewire19 permalink

The Audacity of Arrogance-- that should be the title of Obama"s self-proclaimed victory lap though Europe and the Middle East. Shameless and tasteless are two adjectives that describe the trip. By the time he leaves London, he"ll be so full of helium I doubt he"ll need a plane to make it home.

To be honest, I found the Berlin speech more than mildly disappointing, and chocked full of empty rhetoric. The European socialists may embrace Obama"s American brand of socialism because it weakens America"s competitive position in the world economy and levels the economic playing field. But if he expects them to fight with us side by side in the war on terrorism he hasn"t learned the lessons of history and is too naïve to be president. The only countries who have steadfastly stood by the US are Canada, the UK, and Australia (and the Poles to a lesser degree). Our other allies get wobbly spines when the going gets tough.

When he looks in the mirror, Obama may think he sees JFK. But it"s really slick Willie reading from the economic malaise plan of Jimmy Carter with the clear and confident voice of a man who has no experience.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:53 AM on 07/27/2008
- kathomas1 See Profile I'm a Fan of kathomas1 permalink

Whoever supports Obama will think it was the foreign trip of the century. Whoever dislikes Obama or supports McCain will think Obama is the antichrist. Based on the partisan nature of America, 80% of the country is already locked in no matter what Obama or McCain (he went overseas too....right?) does. It will be the remaining 20% (i.e. the Independents) in about 13 swing states that will decide the General Election. It will be a close one, but don't count on any game changers until after Labor Day.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:10 PM on 07/26/2008
- castlerider See Profile I'm a Fan of castlerider permalink

The past 8 years are a perfect example of why Free-Market economics that began with Milton Friedman's Chicago school of economics that so many republicans and right-wingers have espoused and touted, practically as their "bible" to save capitalism and advance their idea of the American ideal, have been absolutely wrong and disastrous for this country.
This ideal, which like in Pinochet's Chile, states that it's OK to spy on, torture and even kill, yes, even your own citizens if needed, to SHOCK people and make them fall in line with fear.
Reagan imposed scant traces of these ideals with deregulation; since that time, it's become fully loosed by Bush's administration in their grandiose War on Terror, where Doug Feith stated that the Geneva Convention laws should not apply to the prisoners in this war, -Where insistence on wiretapping is so surreal.

Very much of the educated world thinks otherwise. They know torture. They know what this corrupt administration is up to, and are rightly disgusted with it. They know that when all the veil's removed, the prime motivator behind all this is GREED. Greed from a facsist styled government with ideals this administration arrogantly links itself, & in the end, wants to control people.

Small wonder it 's so refreshing for them to see a candidate like Obama, who they can see does not espouse these ideals, and welcome him.

Get a clue, people. It's not necessarily Obama these people look up to and love so much, it's America.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:55 PM on 07/26/2008
- livewire19 See Profile I'm a Fan of livewire19 permalink

I sure wish both Republicans and Democrats would rediscover what free market capitalism truly is. The march toward socialism coming out of Washington is steady and unrelenting. I have no desire to put my fate and livelihood in the hands of uncaring, unfeeling bureaucrats.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:41 AM on 07/27/2008
- tubette See Profile I'm a Fan of tubette permalink

thank you for saying that so eloquently....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 PM on 07/26/2008
- MossyOak See Profile I'm a Fan of MossyOak permalink

Thank you Castlerider. Excellent post. Well said. All true.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:25 PM on 07/26/2008
- sclucie See Profile I'm a Fan of sclucie permalink

GREAT post. Anyone who listened to that speech carefully heard that the strongest resonses came when Obama talked about promise restored - not about himself - but about America. It was moving and I am ready for it too. I want my country back.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:38 PM on 07/26/2008
- GayGrandpa See Profile I'm a Fan of GayGrandpa permalink

The biggest policy challenge Obama will face is re-ingagement of people and nations. America needs a President who will challenge and talk to them and lay out a plan, the world needs the same. We need a bold fearless optimistic clear minded brilliant and driven President...a world and a nation will rally around such a leader. Most people are eager sheep and will gladly follow a piper who will lead them into peace and prosperities...in this nation the military establishment must be redirected to the stars! Not star wars, but Mars...a manned mission before 2050! You cannot kill the military establishment but you can retrain and redirect it like a dog, give it a new noble mission. We must realize in this world the majority of nations from the Middle East and beyond want a stable and immediate peace! It is high time to bring in all of the regimes and set people down to do that now once and for all! Great things can be done...within eight years the oil crises can be over...not by mining the seas or the parks but by putting in conservation and doing r&d. The Republicans say we cannot afford this but these are the same who happily give $160 billion dollars to fight in Iraq every few months! I tell you with incentives 90% of all cars on American highways could be ELECTRIC in 5 years! We must walk into our safety WITH GIANT STEPS!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:14 PM on 07/26/2008
- openhand See Profile I'm a Fan of openhand permalink

I agree with your sentiment but on the point of cars and highways. The private car, whether zero emission or not is not sustainable. If cars were cheap and non polluters the gridlock would make walking faster. The only solutions are communal solutions like public transport, public green spaces, public health etc... the test is always if it works for 90% of the people 90% of the time.

Cities that are getting this right are Curitiba in Brazil and Bogata in Columbia.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:05 PM on 07/26/2008
- kentuck See Profile I'm a Fan of kentuck permalink

Obama is popular because the rest of the world is comparing him to George W Bush - not John McCain.

They are relieved with the thought that soon Bush will be gone. No doubt, the world will sleep better at night. Obama is the anti-Bush. That is all that folks need to know.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:50 PM on 07/26/2008
- StillIRise See Profile I'm a Fan of StillIRise permalink

The rest of the world is not only comparing Obama to Bush, but also recognize another Bush in John McCain. They are as aware of and informed about Senator Obamas's opponet as they are about Senator Obama himself. They see Obama as anti-Bush, and they see McCain as pro-Bush. You seem not to give the rest of the world very much credit for understanding the two-party system and dynamics of our election process. I imagine that many of those outside of America are more enlightened about our politics than many Americans are, and are likely much more invested since our elections impact their lives in some ways even more intensely than our lives are affected. One very salient difference between them and us is that they're not as tunnel-visioned about skin color as we are and view the candidates much more objectively than we do.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:17 AM on 07/27/2008
- openhand See Profile I'm a Fan of openhand permalink

Hillary is anti Bush and so is McCain. What Obama is is a reflection of diversity and democracy at work.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:05 PM on 07/26/2008
- Budokan See Profile I'm a Fan of Budokan permalink

If McCain had taken this trip and drew this kind of attention and these kinds of crowds, the right-wing Repug echo chamber would be creaming its pants about now.

Obama does it and he's "arrogant" which is Repug code for "uppity" and we all know what that means....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 PM on 07/26/2008
- bayside See Profile I'm a Fan of bayside permalink

Do you know why europe loves Obama. Because he doesnt want to kill them or steal what they have and because he didnt graduate 4th from the bottom of his class. We had enough stupid now we try smart.. Dont know if Obama can clean up this mess but MCCains famous temper alone is not presidentual material...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 PM on 07/26/2008
- RobertAndropolis See Profile I'm a Fan of RobertAndropolis permalink

The ultimate goal is to clean up "this mess." The immediate goal is simply to start.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:12 PM on 07/26/2008
- wanttruth See Profile I'm a Fan of wanttruth permalink

Sen. Obama conducted himself with poise and thoughtfulness. His "global unity" speech was great. I'm proud of him and our country. Obama 08

I really wish the fake patriotism attacks on Sen. Obama's character would stop. The attacks lack any substance. PLEASE FOCUS ON THE REAL ISSUES!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 AM on 07/26/2008
- naluca See Profile I'm a Fan of naluca permalink

Obama can talk about "real issues" whenevr he likes. Instead, he exclaims generalities, platitudes, and complaints about not talking about the real issues. And when pinned down, he talks in carefully worded ambiguities, in order to give himself a way out. And when he does take a stand, he is likely to reverse himself.

In addition, real, actual people are concerned about his "patriotism." Although that might be a meaningless generality to you, it is very real in the minds of many. Rather than griping about it, Obama - with all his alleged people skills - should gracefully acknowledge the concern and figure out a way to respond to it. He hasn't done this so far, and I'm afraid it does not speak for his interest in all types of people. I think he does this when he feels he has no need of them. People sense this, believe me, and you would be surprised, I think, at the disdain and bitterness that many feel toward him for that reason alone.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 PM on 07/26/2008
- StillIRise See Profile I'm a Fan of StillIRise permalink

Real people are concerned about his patriotism? That's odd! In the forty years that I've been voting for presidents, I've never heard this said about any presidential candidate before. Were "real people" also concerned about Senator Clinton's patriotism? What about Senator McCain? Is it because they're white that their patriotism is taken for granted, because only white Americans are true patriots and everyone else is suspect? Had Senator McCain given the identical speech, would "real people" still be concerned?

If Senator Obama's patriotism is the concern of "real people," then I think "real people" need to be less concerned about Senator Obama's patriotism and more concerned about the state of their own soul. Obviously, the challenge lies with them, not with Senator Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:24 AM on 07/27/2008
- sclucie See Profile I'm a Fan of sclucie permalink

Really? Next to my personal honor, I would say that one of the strongest feelings I have is about America - the real America - the America that follows the constitution, follows its promise, believes that all men are created equal, and honors the promise of the Statue of Liberty in New York Harbor. Would I fight to defend those freedoms (as oppposed to fight to install a Sharia Islamic state?)? Yes. I would. Is it possible to more patriotic than that.

Stop throwing about empty Republican attack phrases. You have no right to decree who is patriotic and who is not. It is simply a cheap and empty trick the Republicans have used for years when they have nothing else to offer - and nothing else to defend their failed policies with.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:42 PM on 07/26/2008
- RobertAndropolis See Profile I'm a Fan of RobertAndropolis permalink

Not one. Not ONE example to support your claims.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:24 PM on 07/26/2008
- castlerider See Profile I'm a Fan of castlerider permalink

To him, responding to questions about his patriotism are ridiculous, as they should be for anyone who's come this far and has had to work so hard for helping people in this country like he has. And I sure as hell don't blame him.
It's also crystal clear that when people question his integrity or patriotism, it's generally because they want to find a way to attack him. It's a low, below the belt shot that I find to be absolutely chicken sh*t and doesn't even deserve a response.
If you don't like the guy, don't be a coward, just say it. Talking about his patriotism is completely ireelevant, and changes nothing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:53 PM on 07/26/2008
- rini See Profile I'm a Fan of rini permalink

You think McCain is a straight talker? This guy has reversed himself so many times you cannot keep count. Google McCain and flip flop. You will find many SUBSTANTIVE issues on which he has done an 180. Most importantly, when he has changed it has been obvious that his is trying to toe the GOP line and garner the evangelical and right wing votes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:12 PM on 07/26/2008
- Budokan See Profile I'm a Fan of Budokan permalink

Repugs are incapable of focusing on reality. They always have been, which is why the American people are going to rise up in November and bring down their criminal regime once and for all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 PM on 07/26/2008
- JJeff88 See Profile I'm a Fan of JJeff88 permalink

Memo to the Media -

Stop micro-analyzing. Maybe the guy is really that good.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:03 AM on 07/26/2008
- Marysdude See Profile I'm a Fan of Marysdude permalink

Sorry, Mr. Rose, but talking heads are just that...talking heads. If we can't figure out for ourselves if Big O's trip and speach had meaning, and what that meaning might be...we are doomed. Stop paying attention to kibitzers and pundits if you really are serious about being informed. But if you didn't use them, you'd be out of a job...or turn into one yourself. God, what a cesspool we live in.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:42 AM on 07/26/2008
- BarackstarObama See Profile I'm a Fan of BarackstarObama permalink

He was kissed on both cheeks by the president of France... it was wild.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:27 AM on 07/26/2008
- neesy08 See Profile I'm a Fan of neesy08 permalink

evidently you have not traveled to europe. the french, spaniards, greeks, italians, show great affection for another by kissing on BOTH cheeks. it is the anglos who kiss the air when pretending to kiss ONE cheek! lol

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 AM on 07/26/2008
- GayGrandpa See Profile I'm a Fan of GayGrandpa permalink

It might be a better world if more would practice intimacy...what are people afraid of? Are they afraid they are going to lose their manhood...personally I cannot think of any thing more jaded than a man who cannot any longer cry or a man who will not show affection to the one he loves!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:24 PM on 07/26/2008
- Seattlelite See Profile I'm a Fan of Seattlelite permalink

Had Obama dared to even hint at "policies" the republicans would have had a field day. He walked a very fine line for a "candidate seeking the Presidency" on this trip and did everything right. Absolutely brilliant!! Mission "really" accomplished. But one thing the republicans can not deny nor spin, as it's stand today, Sen. Obama is THE candidate of choice for President both here and abroad. And I pray that doesn't change.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:35 AM on 07/26/2008
- Sparhawk See Profile I'm a Fan of Sparhawk permalink

"..Sen. Obama is THE candidate of choice for President both here and abroad. .."

Since when do they have a say on elections in the USmuch less even worthy of noting?? Move there if it fascinates you so much...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:42 AM on 07/26/2008
- videlicet See Profile I'm a Fan of videlicet permalink

Considering the number of foreign elections the US has historically meddled in - most recently in Iraq - your isolationist sentiment has little credibility.

We proclaim that who leads in Iraq, Afghanistan, Cuba, Russia, Chile, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Guatemala (to name a few) affects us; should we be surprised when the rest of the world "presumes" to proclaim its interests in the same way?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:24 PM on 07/26/2008
- PumaAnn See Profile I'm a Fan of PumaAnn permalink

The speech seemed vague, but that's typical for him. They'll find it hard to pin him down on much of any substance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 AM on 07/26/2008
- sclucie See Profile I'm a Fan of sclucie permalink

Exctly what has John McCain said in the past six months that has either substance or consistency, or even makes any sense? One hundred years in Iraq? No, fifty. Or maybe 16 months. Hagee is my spiritual advisor. Except I'm anti-everything he says. Except he's not my spiritual advisor anymore. Health care? His plan is so absurd, nobody can even bear to touch it. Education plan? He has none. Economics? Doesn't know much about that, except that if you're having a rough time it's related to a mental condition. The man does know military history - even the history of the war we are currently losing lives in, he doesn't know the economy, he doesn't understand health care, he doesn't understand education. Substance? You've gotta be kidding me. Oh, and then there's those lobbyists he has been fighting for about 10 years - except now he's surrounded by more than 100 of them. This is substance?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:57 PM on 07/26/2008