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Chris Kelly

Posted: July 20, 2010 07:05 AM

Dumb Blogger Apologizes to Future Governor Meg Whitman

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I screwed up.

The other day I was writing about Meg Whitman -- who's running for governor because she refuses refuses refuses to let California fail -- and how her plans include a tax cut for the super rich that could cost the state between four and six billion dollars.

My first mistake right there: It could be ten billion dollars. Maybe more.

(She wants to get rid of the capital gains tax. A tax that raised $10.6 billion in 2000.)

The next mistake I made was about how much Meg Whitman would personally save. We can only guess, because she won't release her tax returns, but I figured it would be a lot, based on this chart:

Projected 2011 income tax on Californians making over $43,000 from a "job": 9.3%

Projected 2011 income tax on Californians making
ten million dollars from a hot tip trading gold futures:
0.0%

In a metaphor that got, frankly, out of hand, I said that Meg Whitman, being a billionaire with a proven proclivity for stock fraud, might not have to pay any taxes at all. This was inaccurate and unfair.

The governor of California makes $175,000 a year. That's a salary. That's still taxable. If Meg Whitman gets elected, she'll be on the hook for $12,173 right there.

Also any money Meg Whitman has in municipal bonds or CDs or a savings account will still be taxed as income.

Meg Whitman owns a $20 million vacation home in Telluride called Skyline Ranch. Let's say she can't use it because she's too busy being governor, so she rents it to some college kids. That's rental income. That's not a capital gain. She'll have to pay taxes on that.

Meg Whitman was a director at Goldman Sachs for 15 months and got paid $450,000. If she took it all as a salary, and she was living in California, that wouldn't be a capital gain. She'd still pay taxes on it.

While she was at Goldman Sachs, she voted to give Henry Paulson a bonus of $11.5 million. That is a capital gain. He wouldn't be taxed.

In exchange, Goldman Sachs gave Whitman special access to 100 initial public offerings. Whitman bought them and resold them in 24 hours and made $1.78 million. That's also a capital gain. Under the old plan, she owed upwards of $165,000, before she gave the money back, so as to not go to prison. If she does that again, and doesn't get caught this time, and she's governor and passes her tax plan, her tax liability will be 0 dollars and 0 cents.

Just as well, really. We'd probably waste that money on firefighters.

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Meg Whitman wants to fire 40,000 public servants to pay for her capital gains tax cut.

According to Citizens for Tax Justice, in 2007, 95 percent of Californians made 1 percent of their income from capital gains.

I don't have a joke for that. It's just something you should know.

 
 
 
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10:59 PM on 08/25/2010
that was great! thanks for putting it like that, it brings it into perspective.
08:39 PM on 07/25/2010
I did not know that bonuses are taxed at capital gain rates (which are lower) and not as salary. So that shows that these CEOs who got huge bonuses for being bailed out pay lower tax rates than working stiffs. Unbelievable!
07:26 PM on 07/25/2010
How much is Meg's stock portfolio worth - that would taxed at zero?
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realitytrumpsbull
two 'alves of coconut!
06:59 PM on 07/25/2010
So, how far is the not-so-great state of California from complete, total, and utter financial collapse, these days? What was the deficit this year, $35 billion? Can they still find anyone stupid enough to buy their bonds? Are they really going to make the marijuana leaf the new state symbol, there, instead of the bear? They sure seem to be smoking enough of the stuff in state government. Frankly, I hope Whitman gets the job, and she puts the coup de grace on the whole thing, and builds rich people enclaves, and little poor people holding areas. Gotta keep em in line, eh, Meg? LOL
06:35 PM on 07/25/2010
"Meg Whitman was a director at Goldman Sachs for 15 months and got paid $450,000."

Just the fact that she was a Director at Goldman Sachs should be enough of a reason for any sane person not to vote for her.
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two 'alves of coconut!
06:59 PM on 07/25/2010
Guilt by association.
09:32 AM on 07/28/2010
How about either guilt by negligence or, since she probably did right by Goldman Sachs' standards, guilt by greed when she wants to be a Senator, supposedly for all the people?
06:21 PM on 07/25/2010
We shall see how astute or dumb the voters are.
04:16 PM on 07/25/2010
Meg Whitman would be the WORST GOVERNOR EVER in the history of California... NOT ONE CENT of a "super-rich tax cut" (standard idiotic rethuglican program) would be spent on California. All she wants to do is get her money back that she's spent on her AWFUL campaign and get out... California fail?? Under Whitman - ABSOLUTELY..
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two 'alves of coconut!
07:01 PM on 07/25/2010
So? Let er buck. Good riddance. Put that lady in charge, and she can preside over California's final plunge into the abyss. Glub, blub, and good-bye California. No more fed-cheese to CA to pay for run-amok socialism...
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11:40 AM on 07/25/2010
ooops my bad..meg wasnt the hp queen..she was the ebay queen LOL! sorry! need more coffee ;-)
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11:36 AM on 07/25/2010
good info chris kelly..we need to be informed about this gal and her benefit from her proposals. i hope californians look closely at the jobs moved overseas at hp under her leadership when they vote!
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11:41 AM on 07/25/2010
sorry--i got her wrong as hp..she is the ebay queen ---need more coffee LOL!!
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09:58 AM on 07/25/2010
If whitman wins in California, it will be proof positive that the voters down there don't have two brain cells to rub together.

This woman is despicable.
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01:09 PM on 07/25/2010
Hey...California voters DO have two brain cells. We used them to elect Ronald Reagan and Ahhhnold, didn't we?
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01:30 PM on 07/25/2010
Yes, but that was a rotten thing for me to say. I love California and I love Californians!

I just despise Meg Whitman.
06:36 PM on 07/25/2010
And if you want to show that Californians have no brains at all, you can elect Carly Fiorina, too.
07:56 PM on 07/25/2010
Meg won't be elected, she'll just buy the job.
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02:11 AM on 07/25/2010
While she was at Goldman Sachs, she voted to give Henry Paulson a bonus of $11.5 million. That is a capital gain. He wouldn't be taxed.


Since when is a bonus considered a cap gain. Unless it was given in the form of stock or stock options, a bonus to your salary is ordinary income and will be taxed at the prevailing rate.
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03:58 AM on 07/25/2010
You've answered your own question. At Goldman Sachs, Paulson took options or restricted stock in lieu of a portion of his bonus. Some years he also took options and restricted stock in lieu of a portion of his salary. And by the way, I'm making a joke.
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04:31 AM on 07/25/2010
Chris...I guess that's why you are the "dumb blogger and I am the "dumb surfer". Capital gains has never been my forte anyway.....I am still waiting for the perfect wave.
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02:42 PM on 07/21/2010
Meg has temper issues and apparently they run in her family. Her boys seem to get in a lot of trouble and their mom had to bribe Princeton to keep them in college:

Mag assault fellow worker at eBay and pays big $ settlement. http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/california-politics/2010/06/whitman-answers-questions-about-altercation-with-ebay-employee.html

Her Son beats up girl and brakes her ankle. http://gawker.com/5564226/billionaire-bad-boys-club-meg-whitmans-sons-arrest-for-beating-up-a-girl

Seems her sons aren't too fond of black people either. http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/politics/Meet-Meg-Whitmans-Big-Men-on-Campus-jw-79686842.html
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11:39 AM on 07/25/2010
good links--thanks!
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02:31 PM on 07/21/2010
I wonder if Californians will buy what the the TV and radio ads say and elect this woman. As for me personally, I will be voting for Gov. Moonbeam. Jerry Brown was quite an excellent governor way back when. Of course, in his first two terms, he had hair. LOL
08:09 AM on 07/25/2010
In my opinion, the bigger spender always wins in California. I don't think she will loose. However I find it ironic that in a largely demoractic oriented state we have a republican governor.
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02:23 PM on 07/21/2010
I Meg Whitman were my mother-in-law, I'd install security cameras to be sure she did not eat my infants' food while she was babysitting...just so she could have it for herself.
Whitman is the California version of Leona Helmsley, that God-forsaken "rhymes with rich."
12:32 PM on 07/21/2010
In case you wonder how Queen Meg made it this far in politics consider a recent article that finds 4-5 of the 10 most uneducated US cities in California. I am old enough to have benefitted when California had one of the best higher education systems in the country. Today, not so much. How can one expect democracy to survive with an uninformed electorate incapable of critical thinking? One would almost suspect this sad state (bad pun) of affairs is by design rather than by accident...
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07:05 PM on 07/25/2010
What, you mean the Dumbing Down Of America? Keep the slaves ignorant, and you can lead em around by the nose, right? Riiiiight. Not all that aspire to government position do so with the most honorable of intentions. Meg's a money-man, or she would be, if she was a man, but maybe someone that really understands money might be the shot in the arm(or the back) that California needs to escape its' current unenviable predicament. Maybe she'll be the governor that'll demand a balanced state budget. Maybe she'll fork over some of her own money to pay for an outside audit, and take on the unions, and make it so that in 2012 or so, the state of CA can actually post a balanced budget, and stick to it.