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Newt Gingrich Runs Rings Around Michele Bachmann and She's Still Right

Posted: 12/16/11 11:04 AM ET

The trouble with the truth is it's always the same old thing. ~ Patty Loveless

Republican primary voters hate Freddie Mac. They believe it gave their money -- and forced the banks to give their money -- to lazy people so they could live indoors. This is a questionable suspicion. Lazy people keep terrible records. But we do know, with a certainty like we know God's love, one person Freddie Mac did give the taxpayer's money. They gave Newt Gingrich $1.6 million of it to say nice things about Freddie Mac.

That's the truth. And the trouble with the truth is it's always the same old thing.

Newt Gingrich is running for president, and one the major arguments for his candidacy is that he can "outdebate" Barack Obama. And/or eat him. So it's worth looking at how he defends himself when the truth hurts. Like in last night's debate in Iowa, for instance.

When cornered, Newt Gingrich argues like a cheating husband whose wife has just walked into the carport and caught him washing his penis with the hose.

Here's Newt Gingrich and Michele Bachmann:

Michele Bachmann:


Well, it's the fact that -- that we know that he cashed paychecks from Freddie Mac. That's the best evidence that you can have, over $1.6 million. And, frankly, I am shocked listening to the former speaker of the House, because he's defending the continuing practice of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae.

There's a big difference between a credit union and Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae. And they were the epicenter of the mortgage financial meltdown. I was trying to see these two entities put into bankruptcy, because they, frankly, need to go away, when the speaker had his hand out and he was taking $1.6 million to influence senior Republicans to keep the scam going in Washington, D.C. That's absolutely wrong. We can't have as our nominee for the Republican Party someone who continues to stand for Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae. They need to be shut down, not built up.

(APPLAUSE)

Chris Wallace:

Speaker Gingrich?

Newt Gingrich:

Well, the easiest answer is, that's just not true. What she just said is factually not true. I never lobbied under any circumstance. I never went in and suggested in any way that we do this.

In fact, I tried to help defeat the housing act when the Democrats were in charge of the House. And if you go back and talk to former Congressman Rick Lazio, he'll tell you, when we were passing housing reform while I was speaker, I never at any time tried to slow down the reform effort. In fact, I helped him pass the reform bill. And I think some of those people ought to have facts before they make wild allegations.

Honey, honey, honey... let's not make any wild allegations. At least let me turn off the hose.

Newt has done about four interesting things here, at lightning speed, so it's worth it to look at them one by one.

Well, the easiest answer is, that's just not true. What she just said is factually not true...

Newt could give you a complicated answer, congresswoman, but he'll have to give you a simple one, because everyone knows you're a dope. That's what "easiest" is doing here, and "factually" is to remind us that Michele Bachmann studied American history at Answers.com.

I never lobbied under any circumstance. I never went in and suggested in any way that we do this...

In freshman rhetoric class, this is what's known as "definitional retreat." You take the terms and redefine them, until you and the other person are talking about entirely different things. Michele Bachmann is accusing Newt Gingrich of taking the trust he built as a public servant and selling it. Newt Gingrich is denying being a registered lobbyist. And then he's making up his own definition of what a lobbyist does.

Bachmann is accusing Gingrich of adultery, and Gingrich is denying committing adultery while dressed as a bear.

"Why are you washing your penis?"
"Stop calling me a furry."
"Who said anything about being a furry?"
"I never furried under any circumstance. I never went anywhere dressed as a bear and performed non-penetrative sex acts.

In fact, I tried to help defeat the housing act when the Democrats were in charge of the House. And if you go back and talk to former Congressman Rick Lazio, he'll tell you, when we were passing housing reform while I was speaker, I never at any time tried to slow down the reform effort. In fact, I helped him pass the reform bill. And I think some of those people ought to have facts before they make wild allegations.

Confused? That's the whole point. The Greeks called this "changing the subject." Now, suddenly, we're talking about a housing act (who knows which one) and some other reform Newt didn't slow down (wow, thanks!) and Rick Lazio, who -- if you got him on the phone right now, honey -- would tell you I was at his house playing cards. Not tonight, but another night much like tonight. When I certainly wasn't performing frottage on anyone in a bear suit. Now, will you let me put away this bear suit?

Back to the debate.

Michele Bachmann:


Let me -- let me...

Chris Wallace:

Yes, go ahead. Congresswoman?

Michele Bachmann:

Well, after the debates that we had last week, PolitiFact came out and said that everything that I said was true. And the evidence is that Speaker Gingrich took $1.6 million. You don't need to be within the technical definition of being a lobbyist to still be influence-peddling with senior Republicans in Washington, D.C., to get them to do your bidding. And the bidding was to keep this grandiose scam of Freddie Mac going. That's -- that is something that our nominee can't stand for. We have to shut down these government enterprises. And we've got to end them. And I think that's shocking that he's saying that.

I'm not asking about Rick Lazio. I'm asking where you were tonight. And I won't keep my voice down. I want the neighbors to hear.

Newt Gingrich:


And let me just say two things...

Moderator:

Speaker Gingrich, quickly.

(APPLAUSE)

Newt Gingrich:

OK, I want to say two things. First, my policy is to break up both Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. It is not anything like what she just described...

A really fabulous defense. Gingrich's position, today, isn't anything like the position Bachmann says he used to take, for money. While dressed as a bear. He seems to be saying she has her facts wrong, again. (Typical chick.) But what he's really saying, like it's a good thing, is that he's not just a shill, he's also a hypocrite.

She's completely mischaracterized what he believes, now, in terms of what he used to say he believed, for 1.6 million dollars. Has she no shame?

Second, I want to state unequivocally, for every person watching tonight, I have never once changed my positions because of any kind of payment...

Even if I was a shill, it's okay, because I love the product.

I've never quite understood this line of argument, that it's okay for public servants to take money to do things, if they were going to do those things anyway. Someone's wasting their money. And I don't think Michele Bachmann was saying that the problem with Gingrich taking the money from Freddie Mac was that he was only pretending to be their friend and then selling them out later. That's just a bonus he throws in.

Because I -- the truth is, I was a national figure who was doing just fine, doing a whole variety of things, including writing best-selling books, making speeches...

I don't know exactly what Newt is saying here, because it's the kind of thing people usually say where they're denying something. "Why would I steal your car? I have my own." But in Newt's case, he's admitting he stole your car even though he has his own, and it's better than your piece of shit.

How dare you accuse me of taking the money I admit I took? It's not like I needed it.

And the fact is, I only chose to work with people whose values I shared and having people have a chance to buy a house is a value I believe still is important in America.

If you see me having extramarital sex in some kind of costume, it's only because I love my country so very much.

Newt Gingrich isn't a lobbyist, and even if he is, he's not legally a lobbyist, and even if he was, he's changed his mind, and even if he hadn't, it was something he would have done anyway, and he won't again, and he still believes in America, a shining city on a hill. Unlike some people.

He still took the money. And that's the trouble with the truth.

 
 
 
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l78lancer
Wisdom is the principal thing
01:52 AM on 12/19/2011
Generally political comedians - and writers for those comedians - seem to be arrogant schmucks who actually know much less about a subject than they infer and lampooning the subject tends to obfuscate. However, this is an insightful - and humorous - analysis of that interraction. The discussion was dissected and layed out much the way a sentences is diagrammed.

While I may not agree with all (I do agree with most), it was nicely done.
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babyjesussaysso
On the internets nobody knows you're a dog.
02:39 PM on 12/20/2011
You sound kind of like newt...
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camelias and sweet tea
Small drinking village with a shrimping problem
01:47 PM on 12/18/2011
Wonder if Newtie advised them (with historical facts of course) that they should give her a loan for her new house ???? She may owe him and not know it.
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budanatr
US Expat in EU
01:03 AM on 12/18/2011
Well done Chris!! Well done.
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Steelsil
Warren/Grayson 2016! Yes We Can!
06:28 PM on 12/17/2011
Every unpleasant thing that every Republican candidate-wannabe says about every other wannabe is true.  I say this in the spirit of the Season, which calls for me to embrace my enemies in bipartisan amity.
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KenKo
05:54 PM on 12/17/2011
Well you know it takes a political opportunist to recognize another political opportunist and point out that the emperor-wana be has no clothes. But Newt was always delusional anyway. He seems to think all he has to win the people's trust to be President is to win in debates. Only pretend academics would think that.
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watson185
Enlightening the Dittos one head at a time!
03:49 PM on 12/17/2011
Didn't like Newt before. Don't like Newt now. He is the worst kind of politician. He wrote the play book that the Repulican Party is using now. That play book has given us the worst Congress in decades. Do we want to vote for a person whos whole campaign is "Don't judge me based on my actions. Vote for me because I can lie better than President Obama."? If Bachmann did not get confused by his double talk. He has no chance aginst the President.
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Dan Stewart
03:47 PM on 12/17/2011
I'm not a stockbroker because, you can check, I'm not registered with the SEC.  They didn't pay me to sell stock, they paid me because I gave them advice -- about history, I'm a historian.  Sure, I sold the stock, but I love that company.
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JDShipley
I drink coffee, therefore I am.
01:05 PM on 12/17/2011
Are you saying that you could use Newt's logic to uncork whine (sic)?

Plenty wrong at Freddie and Fannie but I've yet to hear Michelle and the other demagogues acknowledge that it was primarily shareholders who pressed the two enterprises into the high-yield subprime game; that Bushie Baby doubled down on Clinton-era HUD home ownership goals; and, that Bushie Baby and Co.'s misfeasance in office allowed the fraud of subprime mortgages to bloom. The mid-2000s housing market was not solely but was primarily a "free market" crash abetted by ideologues who turned their backs on the regulations they were to enforce. Simple stuff, like early '90s law that required lenders to ensure borrowers could afford the loans they were given. Also, what is Ms. Backmann's alternative to securitizing mortgages: Goldman Sachs? Now, that would be a winner for sure. /sarcasm/
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Steelsil
Warren/Grayson 2016! Yes We Can!
06:22 PM on 12/17/2011
Freddie and Fannie had nothing to do with the excesses of the hottest markets during the housing boom, because their maximum loan amount was nowhere near high enough for the hot markets.  It was all private money - until Shrub gave the Bank$ters your tax money, and an IOU for your tax money for the next century.
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JDShipley
I drink coffee, therefore I am.
10:41 AM on 12/19/2011
Fannie and Freddie securitized billions in subprime mortgages beginning as early as 2000 but the agencies' mid-2000s securitizations of subprime mortgages were higher volume and pushed the subprime orgy to its peak. Don't confuse the agencies' "conforming" programs with subprime securitizations. Also, many loans that are defaulting are conforming loans with job loss in the recession the most stated cause. However, conforming loans under automated underwriting rules that took effect at the agencies' in the early 2000s permitted much higher debt to income ratios damaging homeowners' ability to weather any downturn in their fortunes. A lot contributed to the mortgage crisis with the biggest contributor being yield greed in the private market for subprime loans. It's interesting that so many now argue "unfetter the free market" when the biggest fault in the mortgage industry was through loosely regulated (if at all) privately originated and securitized subprime mortgages. I like to freely walk the streets of my neighborhood but I also like to know there's a cop on the beat.
lightnessandjoy
Is micro-bio a new disease?
12:48 PM on 12/17/2011
Oh, the material; and you always make the best of it.
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whosallen
Left-Leaning-Liberal-Lunatic & Proud of It!
12:11 PM on 12/17/2011
Newt Gingrich never fails to spark my remeberence of the Harry Truman comment about Richard Nixon - It is not that he lies, it is that he does not know the difference between the truth and a lie.
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rtx47
01:53 PM on 12/17/2011
Many politicians and many others high up on the poitical-economic scale do not know the difference between a truth and a lie.

And as long as they benefit from the lie, they believe and like to believe it is the truth.

That was is what President Eisenhower waned us about the Military-Industrial Complex. Most Americans still believe in the lies told to us by this "Complex" through all their "hired larynx" called the Washington politicians and MSM (main stream media).
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08:12 PM on 12/17/2011
Don't you mean Fox News.
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Buckeye54
...the One your mom warned you about!
01:13 PM on 12/18/2011
Harry Truman famously said of Nixon: "He's the only politician I know who can talk out of both sides of his mouth and be lying from each."

Or words to that effect.
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Tonya Cox Willis
You say Liberal like it's a bad thing.
11:22 AM on 12/17/2011
Mark this on your calendar. Michelle Bachman was right about something.
11:00 AM on 12/17/2011
This whole thing is diversionary bilge. What crashed the economy was unregulated financial instruments that couldn't be allowed to fail without causing 50% unemployment. Fannie and Freddie were caught in the undertow. THEY WEREN'T GOVERNMENT AGENCIES. They just couldn't be allowed to fail without harming everyone.

So the Repubs won't say the obvious: Newt is a hypocritical influence peddler. The classic rental politician, as George Will said in a moment of uncharacteristic candor.
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PTAOfficerforObama
It's arithmetic, stupid
10:17 AM on 12/17/2011
$1.6 million would buy quite a few homes...
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littleolwinemakerme
Put A Cork In It!
02:50 PM on 12/17/2011
Or one home for Romney.
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babyjesussaysso
On the internets nobody knows you're a dog.
02:46 PM on 12/20/2011
Come on a guy like the mittster cannot even do a decent remodel of his garage for that kind of chump change.
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RC Hindle
"Power isn't all that money buys"
09:50 AM on 12/17/2011
Well done!
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wendy82551
Rockin' the cranky.
09:28 AM on 12/17/2011
Some network somewhere needs to hire YOU to do running commentary on these debates. You're the only person who makes any damn sense.