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Chris Kelly

Posted March 13, 2009 | 01:56 PM (EST)

Wikipedia Can't Handle My Truth


There was a minor scandal this week involving the forces of light and darkness mucking around with Barack Obama's Wikipedia page. America's citizen scholars kept adding stuff exposing the president as a Kenyan sleeper spy with a fake birth certificate. Wikipedia, under orders from ACORN and Al-Qaeda, kept erasing it. Our friends in the crankosphere picked up the story as more evidence that they were always being silenced and, as usual, they won't shut up about it.

Here's the line that came and went:

"There have been some doubts about whether Obama was born in the U.S. after the politician refused to release to the public a carbon copy of his birth certificate and amid claims from his relatives he may have been born in Kenya. Numerous lawsuits have been filed petitioning Obama to release his birth certificate, but most suits have been thrown out by the courts."

This, of course, is just crazy talk. And you can see why it got scrubbed. It's not Wikipedia's job to peddle paranoid hearsay. That's Townhall's job. Wikipedia's job is to be written at a seventh grade reading level and be about half as useful as the Columbia Desk Encyclopedia on all subjects except Joss Whedon's Firefly.

It also turned out that the reporter who was blowing the whistle on the wiki-perfidy was the same nincompoop who had had the lines inserted in the first place.

And "Barack Obama citizenship conspiracy theories" has its very own Wikipedia entry that goes on and on and on and on.

So the scandal blew over.

But here's how I was personally touched by the story:

This sad sack shell of a human being named Meg Whitman wants to be governor of California. I wrote a post pointing out that her qualifications for high public office include a pattern of management positions in companies that run Asian sweatshops. To my childlike delight, this observation was added to her Wikipedia entry. Then, to my adultlike chagrin, the observation was removed.

And someone cut the brakes on my Civic.

No they didn't.

Because it's not the Pentagon Papers. It's just Wikipedia.

When you do a Google search for an American politician, the first two results are the site they run themselves and Wikipedia. Everyone knows this Wikipedia page is constantly rewritten by the politician's staff and constantly unwritten by the Asperger cases who police Wikipedia like it's their job.

But it's not a conspiracy. It's not even censorship. It's just the way things are.

By the way, I'm not lying about the sweatshops. You could look it up.


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Extra Credit

From the "Educational Excellence" entry on Meg Whitman's own, authorized, wonderful semi-literate website:

"We must not only respect great teachers; we must reward them. We should focus resources on delivering the best classroom instruction to all children, regardless of where their station in life."

To which our former president might add:

Regardless of where their station in life, rarely is the question asked: Is they learning?

There was a minor scandal this week involving the forces of light and darkness mucking around with Barack Obama's Wikipedia page. America's citizen scholars kept adding stuff exposing the president a...
There was a minor scandal this week involving the forces of light and darkness mucking around with Barack Obama's Wikipedia page. America's citizen scholars kept adding stuff exposing the president a...
 
 
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09:55 PM on 03/15/2009
What is the point of this post? To complain about a free and valuable tool that many people find useful? There have been many studies done on the quality and accuracy of Wikipedia using statistical methods and experts. In general the reviews are favorable. I take exception with authors contention that "Wikipedia's job is to be written at a seventh grade reading level and be about half as useful as the Columbia Desk Encyclopedia on all subjects except Joss Whedon's Firefly. " This is just nonsense. Many of the technical articles in Wikipedia range from quantum physics to biotechnology. Subjects which I venture to say Kelly knows nothing about.
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liberalsrheros
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12:15 PM on 03/16/2009
it's nice when the author writes a funny post and a reader like you can reciprocate.
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FreelanceMinion
While the minion enjoyed his brief time in SOuther
08:58 PM on 03/15/2009
WAIT, UPDATE. Check out that Conservapedia entry on Obama, it is HI-larious!
maxfax
Taa - dah!
12:52 PM on 03/16/2009
You mean Whack-o-pedia?
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FreelanceMinion
While the minion enjoyed his brief time in SOuther
08:56 PM on 03/15/2009
Well they're not real conservatives if they use Wikipedia instead of conservapedia. Check out THAT bit of research excellence, and be sure to check how every animal listed by conservapedia mentions where exactly it sat in noah's ark.

Seriously, I feel I have to defend WP. It is intended to be ENTRY level research on everything from astrophysics to local bands. Obama's entry probably should have a quick note that some people have conspiracy theories about him with a reference to pro- and anti-conspiracy sources. But it is not meant to be a political final word.
11:48 AM on 03/16/2009
No, it wants to be the "Library of Alexandria":
http://www.colboard.com/viewtopic.php?p=414798&highlight=#414798
it's this little verse at the bottom of the post:
"However, there may be some strategy behind it. That Wiki needs to face some Darwinian rigors along the way is a logical consequence of the universe of our civilization of semi-brutes.

So many are the lost libraries,
full of books brought to light by innocent souls.
Ashen flesh finds little dignity,
and the paper of the Tree
is persecuted as well."

Wikifiefdom.
08:26 PM on 03/18/2009
This potential for sabotage is important for folks to understand. Most people still operate under the sad misconception that if it is in print, it must be true ... much the same as fans of Rush hang on his every word as gospel. Go figure.
12:49 PM on 03/15/2009
This is a major problem on the Net: how do you know the information is truthful and relevant? Too many find a site maintained by a delusional hermit and believe everything within simply because they agree with its stance. People need to become more critical of their sources: if the site contains lots of pop-ups for pseudo-science, it probably is opinion and not factual. If a site links to major universities its information probably is true and useful. Conservatives get into trouble because the Internet does presume you understand fact from fiction; if you cannot, you de-evolve into something like Limbaugh or Palin.
01:03 PM on 03/15/2009
That problem is not restricted to the net. It exists with the press, publishing, tv, you name it. That's why one of the first things they taught us in school was to always be critical about out sources. The techniques to determine the truth contained in information are independent of the truth. They worked 50 years ago as well as they do today. One simply has to know and use them.
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chameleon59
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09:44 PM on 03/15/2009
Wait - have you been reading WND again? I almost swallow my teeth every time someone cites that as a "reliable source" for anything after taking one look at the site and realizing that it was choked with affiliate ads for "miracle cures" and "credit fixes" that are barely legal. How can someone believe ANYTHING they read on a site cynical enough to sell them "The real medical secrets that doctors DON'T WANT YOU TO KNOW!"?
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12:36 PM on 03/15/2009
The way to cite a past version of Wikipedia is with a link to a history page:

"To my childlike delight, this observation was added to her Wikipedia entry. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Meg_Whitman&oldid=262436135#Criticism Then, to my adultlike chagrin, the observation was removed. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Meg_Whitman&diff=263786406&oldid=263466570"

An allegation on Huffpo is pretty weak as a source. If the January 6 post http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-kelly/the-shenzhenian-candidate_b_155638.html had provided links to the sources of the information, it well might still be on Wikipedia. Of course, if the Asperger's cases were really on the case, they would have dug up the sources themselves.
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LMPE
I connect the most dissimilar things
09:43 AM on 03/15/2009
Just whom do you want to write Wikipedia? The moment that a certain group of people get named, anyone with opposing views cries foul.
01:05 PM on 03/15/2009
Everyone who wishes can write on Wikipedia. What they can not expect, though, is to have their writings be accepted without thorough review.... by everyone.
06:46 AM on 03/15/2009
I'm confused. You seem to agree with Wiki's policy of removing defamatory and libellous entries posted on their website - which is surely what any responsible website owner would do. And yet your article is laced with snide little comments about Wiki and the people who run it.

Surely if you have evidence that your facts about this governor are correct, the obvious and adult course of action would be to present that to Wiki if you're really terribly keen to have your comments about her included on WIki?

Seems very simple really.
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12:15 PM on 03/15/2009
Wikipedia isn't the place to present evidence: evaluating evidence would be "original research". If you have evidence of something, you present it in the appropriate place (whether that's a court of law, a peer-reviewed scientific journal, or a newspaper). After it's been published in a credible source, then you can cite that source on Wikipedia.

They're right to do it that way. Anyone can claim to have evidence, and present some gobbledygook that they claim is evidence. It would be hopeless for people to try to sort it all out on Wikipedia.
02:19 PM on 03/15/2009
the truth may be rightly defamitory but it cannot, by definition, be libel
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gevan
the pilgrim has landed
06:01 AM on 03/15/2009
Here I've been adding stupid stuff to the wki- like the membership of the 1848 Democratic National Committee (the first) or the list of Speakers of the New Jersey Assembly from 1776 to 1899 (post 1900 was already up). I already learned last fall that if you add a link of interest to a pols bio, it will be whitewashed out within 48 hours.
01:09 PM on 03/15/2009
Why is that stupid stuff? Historical facts which are generally agree on are exactly the things that belong into an encyclopedia. With source citations, of course! One could argue about politicians biographies. Certainly a biography of Bismarck is easier to write cleanly on Wikipedia than one of Bush will be for the next 50 years.
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02:33 AM on 03/15/2009
Hey - you think this is bad - you should have seen that people did to Galileo's page before they locked it. Methinks some high schools were upset with science class.
03:55 AM on 03/15/2009
The earth is flat and the sun is painted on a hollow hemisphere. I can prove it. Just look at this technical drawing of God's creation:

http://downlode.org/img/medieval/astronomer.jpg

:-)
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Think82
11:56 PM on 03/14/2009
Hey Chris,

Check my satire column... Does Bill need any more writers? Seriously. I need a job.

http://www.examiner.com/x-2895-LA-Political-Satire-Examiner~y2009m3d14-Glenn-Beck-saved-my-life
10:14 PM on 03/14/2009
Instead of trying to control the content of an encyclopedia conservatives don't agree with, maybe they should go off and create an encyclopedia of their own, and let users decide between them.

I believe that's called "competition."
10:37 PM on 03/14/2009
They have, it's called "Conservapedia". Really. Google it.

You want to see a so-called "objective" (by GOP standards) article on the President?
http://www.conservapedia.com/Barack_Obama

I think Michelle Malkin wrote most of it!
02:06 AM on 03/15/2009
Ye Gads! I followed your link. What a venomous screed! The hate is palpable. You certainly won’t find anything like that on Wikipedia.

I tried doing a search of a couple of good solid “conservative” subjects such as one might expect to find in any decent encyclopedia: William Shakespeare and Julius Caesar. The articles I found on Conservapedia have no in-depth content on their lives or the milieu they lived in. Try to imagine an article on Julius Caesar in which none of Caesar’s campaigns are recounted, or his writings discussed. In Shakespeare’s case only summaries of the plays are provided; no sources, no histories, no questions on texts, no famous performances, nothing. On Conservapedia, the article on Hamlet is one page long. On Wikipedia by contrast, the entry for Hamlet prints out at 25 pages, 9 of which are notes and references.

If one is looking for an angry screed such as the Obama article, then this is the place to go. However, as a reference tool, which is what an encyclopedia is after all, this site is absolutely worthless.

I imagine that in the long run conservatives have figured out that it would be easier to try and debase and co-opt the content of Wikipedia than it would be for them to make their laughable Conservapedia a credible information source.
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09:32 PM on 03/14/2009
Wikipedia is a very good source on many subjects.
05:29 PM on 03/14/2009
The "Tyranny Of Words" should be required reading for high school students-- today it should be an entire one year class......:-)
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undrgrndgirl
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04:47 PM on 03/14/2009
wikipedia is overall MORE accurate than encyclopedias...
06:13 PM on 03/14/2009
I agree. The mistakes in WORLDBOOK or Britannica stays on the shelves for years - even decades. The mistakes in Wiki stay on there minutes or days.
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eva belle
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02:52 PM on 03/14/2009
Speaking of Townhall..sheesh.