Sam Harris--I know you're a busy man, but I'd like to ask you out. Will you go to mosque with me?
I'm not trying to convert you to Islam. Like you, I'm not a Muslim. Like you, I don't believe in any gods. I'm happily, openly atheist. A queer atheist, even. Like you, I have many significant concerns about Islamic beliefs and practices. But still, I want to visit a mosque with you.
We don't have to go alone--we could go with Mustafa Abdullah, a young community organizer in Winston-Salem, North Carolina who is currently campaigning against the state's proposed anti-gay Amendment One. We could attend with Najeeba Syeed-Miller, a teacher and activist who has dedicated her life to peacebuilding initiatives. Or we could go with Eboo Patel, founder of the Interfaith Youth Core, who is committed to promoting pluralism and opposing bigotry, and who regularly speaks up for atheists as a religious minority in the United States.
Why am I inviting you to visit a mosque with me and my friends? Since I'm asking you publicly (I couldn't find your phone number anywhere and I'm pretty sure this MySpace page isn't really you), I should probably give some context.
A few weeks ago I saw you speak at the Global Atheist Convention in Melbourne, Australia. Before I go on, I need to confess: your remarks blew me away. In a weekend full of incredible intellects, your frank, contemplative, eloquent speech on death, grief, and mindfulness was easily my favorite. So I was not prepared for the crushing disappointment I felt when, just a few weeks later, you published a piece called "In Defense of Profiling" in which you unequivocally stated: "We should profile Muslims, or anyone who looks like he or she could conceivably be Muslim, and we should be honest about it."
Never mind that your argument doesn't hold water--to quote my friend Hind Makki: "What does a Muslim look like? The 9/11 hijackers didn't have beards and 'dressed Western.' The shoe bomber wasn't Arab or South Asian. Sikhs wear turbans. The majority of American Muslim women don't wear hijab. The majority of Arab Americans are Christian--though they often share the same names as their Muslim counterparts. Perhaps Harris would support an initiative that required all Muslims to sew a crescent and star onto our clothes. It would make his airport security time a more pleasant experience. (Though, I suppose, it wouldn't have stopped McVeigh or Breivik.)" Though as a frequent traveler I share your frustrations with the TSA, profiling doesn't make sense as a solution to its problems.
Instead, while we're en route to mosque, I'd like to talk to you about something else. As I read your piece, which (along with the clarifying addendum you tacked on a few days later) failed to explain how you would determine who "looks... Muslim," I thought back to another moment at the Global Atheist Convention a few weeks ago. As you were speaking, rumors began to fly that a group of extremist Muslims would be protesting the convention. Sure enough, a group of less than a dozen appeared just a short while later, holding signs that said "Atheists go to hell" and shouting horrible things. But to my dismay, their hate was mirrored by hundreds of conference attendees, some of whom shouted things like "go back to the middle east, you pedophiles," tweeting "maybe the Muslim protesters [are] gay so [they] don't have wives? ... A lot are/were camel shaggers," and wearing shirts that said "Too stupid for science? Try religion." Watching the scene unfold, I was reminded of how much work there is to be done in combating prejudice between the religious and the nonreligious.
I'm not sure you share my concerns about this divide. In fact, last year you wrote this about the 2011 attacks orchestrated by Anders Behring Breivik in Norway that resulted in the deaths of over 70 people:
One can only hope that the horror and outrage provoked by Breivik's behavior will temper the growing enthusiasm for right-wing, racist nationalism in Europe. However, one now fears the swing of another pendulum: We are bound to hear a lot of deluded talk about the dangers of "Islamophobia" and about the need to address the threat of "terrorism" in purely generic terms.
Whether you think so or not, Sam, Islamophobia is quite real. The American Muslim community experiences disproportionately high rates of discrimination and violence, and Islamophobic rhetoric has a significant bearing on this. This from a detailed report on the network of Islamophobia in America: "According to former CIA officer and terrorism consultant Marc Sageman, just as religious extremism 'is the infrastructure from which Al Qaeda emerged,' the writings of these anti-Muslim misinformation experts are 'the infrastructure from which Breivik emerged.'"
As a society, we need to acknowledge the reality of the consequences of Islamophobia. As one Norwegian Muslim recently said:
"I think it is good and healthy that this comes out," he told AFP in a telephone interview, arguing that Breivik built his ideology largely on the basis of Islam-critical writings in the media and online and rumors he has heard about violent Muslims. "This should help show people that this kind of rhetoric can be very, very dangerous. It is a wake-up call, and I think many people will moderate the way they talk about these things."
The real problem is the Islamophobic misinformation machine, supported by our conflict-driven media. Stories of Muslims engaging in peaceful faith-inspired endeavors don't sell nearly as well as stories of attempted Times Square bombings. Yet even coverage of violent stories is skewed against Muslims: for example, the mainstream media largely ignores violence against Muslims, such as when a mosque in Florida was bombed. (Just imagine the media frenzy if that had been a Muslim bombing a church.) The press also ignores stories of Muslim heroism, such as the fact that the man who stopped the Times Square bomber was himself a Muslim. Perhaps we perceive Islam as inherently violent, and imagine that an "Islam versus the West" clash of civilizations is inevitable, because our perspective is shaped by the warped way the media reports on Islam.
The feeling that we need to profile "Muslims, or anyone who looks like he or she could conceivably be Muslim," as you wrote--that Muslim Americans are dangerous and should be viewed with suspicion--is an outgrowth of the Islamophobic misinformation that proliferates our culture. I'm proud to say that nontheist organizations like the Center for Inquiry, the American Humanist Association, and the Institute for Science and Human Values recognize this, which is why just last week they signed on to a letter (alongside many interfaith and religious organizations) decrying racial and religious profiling.
The idea that we should single out Muslims is a misguided and damaging one, and it has serious ramifications for the Muslim community. After the thwarted "Christmas tree" bombing by a young Muslim in Portland, OR, Eboo Patel wrote:
It would be perfectly understandable if, in this time of Muslim terrorism and Islamophobia, everyday Muslims tried to slink into the shadows, to hide in the mosque. But it would be a huge mistake. Now more than ever, we need Muslim community leaders to be loud and proud about Islam's glories, to inspire a new generation to follow in the footsteps of the Muslim heroes who bent the arc of the universe towards justice.
As Muslims become more and more marginalized, that will be increasingly difficult. When I posted a link to Patel's column on my Facebook page, a friend commented on the FBI's involvement in the Portland incident, and a subsequent arson attack on a Portland-area mosque: "I'm starting to wonder how any of this makes our country more secure or keeps our citizens safe. It certainly made things more dangerous for Muslims in Corvallis."
I look around and I see a country deeply divided over the place of Muslims in America's civic landscape--a nation roiling with fear and uncertainty, where hundreds of people will crowd outside of a benefit for a Muslim relief organization and scream things like "go home" and "terrorist" while waving American flags. That despicable display of anti-Muslim hate didn't really make the news either, by the way.
Profiling feeds this fear and paranoia, and it plays right into the notion held by the tiny percentage of Muslims who are extremists that all Muslims are under attack and need to be defended. It is truly dangerous territory, and not just for Muslims--the recent congressional "Muslim radicalization" hearings in the U.S. echo the anti-gay "lavender scare" and the explicitly anti-atheist undertones of the "red scare" in the 1950s. As a gay atheist, I recognize that it could just as easily be me who is targeted.
But I do have hope, Sam. I'm currently reading a wonderful book called The Young Atheist's Handbook by Alom Shaha--I could lend it to you after our mosque visit. In the book, Shaha writes about growing up Muslim and later becoming an atheist. In the fourth chapter of the book, he touches on the tragedy in Norway and delves into a lengthy, must-read exposition of the ugly reality of Islamophobia in the U.K., Australia, and the United States. In it, he points to the major role the media has played in guiding the narrative that says that Muslims are a monolithic, loathsome bloc--or as Shaha wrote, a perspective that "see[s] all Muslims as the same, and completely fail[s] to acknowledge the diversity and differences in values that are held by the millions of Muslims in the world." Shaha goes on to write:
You may wonder why, if I no longer identify as Muslim, I care so deeply about this... Although I am an atheist, I nevertheless find it distressing that people can be contemptuous of all Muslims based on their own prejudices about what it means to be Muslim. Some atheists are guilty of this ideological categorization, too, and it bothers me that some of those who really should know better feel that Muslims and non-Muslims cannot, by definition, get along. I suspect this is a point on which I differ from more-hardline atheists, but perhaps my own experience of being judged for my skin colour has made me acutely sensitive to such judgments being exercised upon others.
Writing about an incident where an American Atheists State Director posted an Islamophobic rant to their official Facebook page, atheist blogger Hemant Mehta said:
It's always a touchy subject when atheists go after Islam... because people have to be very careful that they don't stereotype all followers of Islam as if they're all extremists. Our society does a terrible job of this. Atheists, especially when they're 'leaders' among us, ought to know better than to fall into that trap.
You ought to know better, Sam. Your insistence that Islamophobia isn't a problem and your willingness to play into the irrational anxieties of those who fear Muslims is irresponsible and dangerous. With your great reach, you have the opportunity to build bridges of understanding--instead, you have chosen to make the dividing lines that keep our communities apart that much thicker.
My invitation to visit a mosque isn't an argument for "political correctness." Like you, I find efforts to wallpaper over our differences abhorrent; like you, I have considerable disagreements with many tenets of Islam. You may have visited a mosque before, but I invite you to join me for a different kind of conversation--to spend some time talking to Muslims about their experiences, and working alongside them in their efforts to promote pluralism and equality in their community and in ours.
In a 2010 New York Times article about the Park51 (or "Ground Zero Mosque") controversy, one man said of the growing protests at mosques around the United States: "they have fear because they don't know [Muslims]." As someone who grew up gay in a fundamentalist Christian community, and as an atheist in a largely religious culture, I know how it feels to be reviled by people who don't understand me and who see our differences as irreconcilable. This is why I promote interfaith work--because giving people the opportunity to get to know others who belong to different communities erodes distrust and suspicion and builds cooperation and respect.
Before I got to know some people who identify as Muslim, I was hugely suspicious of all Muslims. As a college student, I was an atheist and a religious studies major--I studied Islam in the classroom, but I knew very little about Muslims. It wasn't until I started to build relationships of trust and mutuality with members of the American Muslim community that I learned about their experiences and had a change of heart.
What should happen when a Muslim walks into an airport? Your answer is extremely troubling, Sam. So I return to my original question: What could happen if two atheists were to walk into a mosque? What could we learn from one another? In what ways could we work alongside Muslims to build a world that values pluralism and compassion, critical thinking and cooperation? Let me know if you want to find out.
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What Harris does is recognize is that terrorists are not randomly distributed across the population. It is foolish & counterproductive to focus resources on searching those groups that have a low risk factor for engaging in terrorism. This reduces security, wastes time and effort and hurts low risk groups such as the elderly & children.
The question is really should children & the elderly be subjected to unfair scrutiny & perhaps indignation for no other reason then somebody thinks its "fair"..
It's rare that i feel proud of a perfect stranger.
Yes, it's possible for women to freely choose to dress that way, but knowing the degree of cultural coercion involved (it's suicide to abandon Islam in many Muslim nations) and that people defend cultural traditions they learned as children even when they're oppressive, I don't believe these garments are truly a matter of personal preference. To me, the hijab and burqa are symptoms of abuse.
That's not just anti-Islamic, either. I detest the way Orthodox Jews require men and women to sit separately in church and even on buses, and similar practices by Amish communities. I oppose the Roman Catholics' refusal to ordain female priests and modern Protestant churches that preach gender inequality.
Do you propose to strike 1 Corinthians 11:4-16 out of the Bible? I guess it needs to be, to conform the Bible to the current believes.
Also, a Muslim woman does not see her hair as sinful but as part of herself that is said to be beautiful and to be shown to her husband only (apart from the immediate household: parents and sibings). There is great emphasis on both men and women to cover themselves to suppress the sexual desires. Majority of Muslim women in the world do not wear the hijab and those who do, do it out of conviction. Sure, there are pressures from the society and the extremists but, by numbers, again, majority of Muslim women do not wear hijab. Sure, I am against pressuring a woman to wear the hijab if the "woman's" conviction is not there. The whole debate on hijab is manufactured and does not hold water.
And if it weren't for Muslims' forever blowing up things and people in the name of their religion or national pride, then they would not be affected by this kind of profiling.
Well first, I think you would initially need to find two reasonable atheists. But don’t look here…they can’t even get along with reasonable Christians.
I didn't read the book, but I wonder if this is how Sam came to his conclusion.
But that isn't really science telling us our values. We define our values independently, but we can and should use science to figure out how best to achieve those values. It's just that he happened to choose a single, broad value to start from.
He teaches that each person has the freedom to choose and does state one must have knowledge with which to make decisions. there is no point in pressing information or opinions onto another.
I am not sure.
I remember my Pakistani Muslim friend calling me up on the phone, crying about the bigotry they had experienced in my American culture after 9/11 afraid to leave their house for two weeks after the event because of the backlash. I understand their feelings of being misunderstood and targeted. I myself am an atheist in Southern Baptist culture. I had gotten into an argument with his brother, who ran the local mosque, around the start of the Afghan war because he was thrilled to death the thought of killing American soldiers by just throwing rocks at the helicopters!
I am internally conflicted about stereotyping Muslims. On one hand I can understand your view 100% at unfair stereotyping, the same time I understand cultural and nationalistic ideologies fundamentalist values complicate the issue.
In the back of my mind I feel multiculturalism has complicated everything, maybe its just an evolutionary reaction. I am atheist and as liberal as they come, but I can understand Sam Harris's position as well as your own In a idealistic world I would side with Chris, at the same time my very biology is resentful towards multiculturalism ( must be an evolutionary reaction) and sees justification for Islamic profiling. I grew up inside christian culture i am well aware of the Hate that boils under the surface in cultures. this issue has me torn in internal ethical debate.
to visit a mosque in Winston Salem NC and consider it a represenative sample of Muslim practice ideology and identity is something like going to an unprogrammed meeting of The Religious Society of Friends (Quakers) and think that represents "christians"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYz9d2rt8_o
scary scary people these religious folks are.
Horrors of Islam or the horrors of religious fanaticism and theocracy? As a non Muslim myself, I'm not going to argue for Islam being true, but I can tell you for fact that there are plenty of who are genuine liberals. There are also fanatics in all religions.
Not all Muslims hate the west and there are many who have defended human rights, even in cases when the human rights violations were being committed by other Muslims.
“Death by tweet?: How Hamza Kashgari’s fate will shape the face of Islam today”: Adeel Ahmed
http://goatmilkblog.com/2012/03/07/death-by-tweet-how-hamza-kashgaris-fate-will-shape-the-face-of-islam-today-adeel-ahmed/
Isn't god man made too?
If I were Sam Harris I would accept, on the proviso that I get to pick the mosque. I'd select the Al Sunnah Al Nabawiah mosque in Montreal. It's the only site in North America listed among the top nine al Qaeda recruiting stations. Maybe you would learn as much there as Sam does.
(I'd choose that one over better candidates in Afghanistan and Pakistan, because it's more convenient and because we have a good chance of getting out of the Canadian mosque ALIVE.)
Chris, we didn't implement all this airport security because planes were being hijacked by American social workers from churches gay atheists feel welcome to attend. The terrorists we're trying to stop come from foreign countries and mosques whose clerics call for the death of America and promise paradise for martyrs.
They're a tiny minority of Muslims, and Sam Harris knows that as well as you do.
If so, then the brutal reality of Bayesian probability combined with the demographics of Islam in North American, make ethnic profiling on the basis of appearance difficult to justify.
""Chris, we didn't implement all this airport security because planes were being hijacked by American social workers from churches gay atheists feel welcome to attend."
Well, the Church I used to attend included members who were Persian (less than 1/3rd of American Muslims), Black (approximately 1/3rd of American Muslims), Jewish (close enough to play Muslims in Hollywood) and South Asian (another 1/3rd of American Muslims). A few of them are little old ladies with walkers as well.
"The terrorists we're trying to stop come from foreign countries and mosques whose clerics call for the death of America and promise paradise for martyrs."
Then you have two more effective "profiling" strategies that can be used to justify higher levels of scrutiny: association with terrorist organizations and history of foreign travel. In fact, this is the kind of profiling that's proven to be effective. Subjecting vaguely brown people to pat-downs on the basis of a brown paper bag test, hasn't been.