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Talking About Atheism and Interfaith Work at Religious Colleges

Posted: 03/01/11 02:02 PM ET

This February, as friends of mine flocked south to escape the unrelenting cold of Boston, I headed to the Midwest.

It was my first college and university speaking tour, put together in partnership with eight institutions in Indiana, Illinois and Iowa that extended invitations for me to come speak to students about my experiences as an atheist and an interfaith activist. I was beyond grateful, not only because it was a wonderful chance to try out some material from my forthcoming book and an opportunity to share my hope for greater understanding between the religious and the secular, but also because I got to see firsthand how atheism and interfaith work are not only discussed but lived on campuses in the Midwest.

The Midwest, where I grew up, isn't known as a beacon of secularism. Sure enough, all but two of the schools I visited have a particular religious affiliation. Of these, one highlight was North Park University (NPU), a school that describes itself as "distinctively Christian." My session was the first time the campus had hosted an atheist speaker, and I was humbled by the enthusiastic welcome I received.

"My hope and vision for NPU is that it will become a place where truly everyone has a spot at the table," said Erin Elisabeth Smith, a senior music major who planned and promoted my session as a part of her work with the Interfaith Youth Core and One Chicago, One Nation. "Jesus' life and teachings leave little room for doubt that he made a point of welcoming absolutely everyone, particularly those who had been 'othered.' He associated primarily with tax collectors, prostitutes, and lepers -- the people who, in that time, were as categorically unpopular as atheists, Muslims and LGBT individuals are today. An institution founded on Jesus' example should also make a point of welcoming everyone, regardless of who they are or what they believe -- and to do it not just in our words, but in our actions. It starts with symbolic gestures like inviting the first atheist speaker to talk specifically about atheism to NPU, it becomes a conversation, and then it spreads and becomes part and parcel of the university culture."

While the campus cultures of each school shared some common threads -- academic rigor, an appreciation for diversity and a commitment to service -- it was clear that there were unique challenges around atheism and interfaith relations at each. For example, at several campuses, there had been tensions between secular and religious students around last year's "Everybody Draw Muhammad Day" (EDMD) campaign, spearheaded by secular students. At one of these schools, Northwestern University (NU), the tensions aroused by EDMD have carried over into the new academic year. I addressed EDMD in my lecture, and offered my hope that atheist and religious students will find alternate ways to deal with fraught intercultural issues like it.

Given my vocal disagreement with tactics like EDMD, I was impressed that SHIFT (Secular Humanists for Inquiry and Freethought), the student group that organized last year's EDMD at Northwestern, went out on a limb and agreed to co-sponsor my speech. All the more, I was thrilled by the insightful questions they posed and their desire to find resolution while remaining honest about their beliefs.

"While there had been interfaith tension surrounding our participation in the stick-figure Muhammad chalkings last spring, the members of SHIFT strive to maintain our relations with and involvement in Northwestern's interfaith initiative, as we consider interfaith work to be both noble and important in our society's diverse religious landscape," said Cassy Byrne, a junior Linguistics student and President of SHIFT.

That resolve -- to find points of communion between atheists and the religious in the face of difficult disagreements -- was apparent in many places I visited. But it hasn't come easily; I heard so many stories about tensions between atheist and religious students on my tour.

One in particular has really stuck with me. I first met Josh Zuke, a senior Philosophy student and current president of Elmhurst College's Secular Students Association (SSA), at a lunch discussion on Humanism that I facilitated for the campus. During the session, he posed tough questions about whether atheists can participate in interfaith work without compromising their views.

I didn't see him again until my evening speech. Afterwards, he approached me and shared a story.

"Four years ago, SSA was -- like me -- in its first semester," Josh said. "The founder had a general vision of what he wanted SSA to be: a place where nonreligious people could feel welcomed and safe, and a voice of reason on the Elmhurst campus. We discussed at length the role of interfaith involvement, but decided that it excluded us by definition. We weren't another 'faith,' and didn't want to be seen as one."

He continued:

Looking back, one incident serves as a poignant example of how detrimental that mindset was. A Muslim student reported being the victim of a hate crime, which prompted the campus to respond overwhelmingly against such actions, fighting under the banner of 'coexistence.' After difficult deliberation, we decided not to cosign the list of organizations that supported coexistence. All of us were disgusted by the hate crime, but we believed that as long as religions existed, violence would arise from them, and that coexistence was not the answer.

What we never considered was the pragmatic impact of this. Our actions served to further isolate the nonreligious from even the best of religious movements. Because we viewed religion in a negative way, we imposed upon the religious a false choice: view your own religion as we see it, or drop it altogether. In retrospect, I would much rather have a world full of religious people who want to coexist peacefully than to insist that their religions compel violence.

We also removed our voice from any interfaith discussions. While there still remain significant intellectual disagreements that need to be addressed, how can we expect to do so if the nonreligious aren't a part of the discussion?

If I had heard that atheists can and are participating in interfaith work four years ago and reasons why we should, I would have been much more apt to identify areas where we could build bridges between ourselves and the religious, creating intentional spaces of shared values that would have enabled the SSA to share its unique perspective and to stand up against religious bigotry.

Josh's story, while striking, was not entirely unique. Northwestern and Elmhurst were not the only places where I spoke with atheist students that reflected on how they had engaged with religious groups in the past. In fact, four of my speeches were co-sponsored by secular student groups; the other four schools I spoke at did not have one. But plans are now underway at at least three of those schools to change that and establish a community for nonreligious students.

"Being nonreligious can feel really isolating, so to hear from someone about bringing people and communities together was extremely gratifying," said Carli Anderson, a first year Communications student at DePauw University, who has just signed up to be the atheist intern for DePauw's Center for Spiritual Life, a position that was previously vacant. "Now I am really interested in starting an atheist/humanist group on my campus, so that we can have representation and a place to share and discuss. I'm also excited to begin doing interfaith work, and am absolutely certain that interfaith cooperation will make tremendous strides in the future."

I do not think that productive religious-nonreligious cooperation, and communities specifically for the nonreligious, are new ideas, but many people I met on the trip indicated that my visit was the first time that they had heard anyone else articulate them. That these ideas are not frequently discussed in broader cultural conversations on religious and nonreligious identity is why I started doing this work in the first place. Now, after visiting eight Midwestern college campuses and hearing students' stories, I am more confident than ever that these conversations matter -- for both atheists and the religious.

For Aislin Bright, a junior Psychology major who is Vice President of Elmhurst's SSA, these conversations mean finding a new focus for nonreligious identity, one that is rooted in values and in finding common ground.

"The more I think about it ... the more I agree [that our] commonalities deserve the focus. Regardless of one's specific religious beliefs, people who value interfaith service feel that people of all belief systems should be respected; that our human brothers and sisters deserve to have their wants and needs met; and that religion can be used as a vessel to help realize these ideals," said Aislin. "Having identified as atheist since I was 12 years old, this year has made me reexamine my religious identity. 'Atheism' focuses on what I do not believe, but says nothing as to what is important to me ... it's time to start shifting my attention from my differences to my similarities with other religious identities and using these similarities to bring about positive change."

Students like Aislin, Josh, Carli, Cassy and Erin are just a few of the many inspiring young leaders I met that serve as salient evidence that atheists and the religious really do want to work together and are willing to try. After 12 days, 8 colleges, 7 cities, more than 1,000 students, 15 speeches and facilitated dialogues (including too many dumb jokes about Lady Gaga's egg, Chet Haze, and a shaky "Reinhold Bieber" pun), I have seen the future of atheist-religious cooperation, and it isn't a culture war of the words -- it's people of diverse beliefs coming together, sharing their stories and looking optimistically toward a different future.

So my friends can keep their February trips to warmer climates; the stories I heard from atheist and religious students in the Midwest were enough to keep me warm all winter.

Note: The claims made by Josh Zuke concerning the Elmhurst College Secular Student Association have been challenged by one of its members. I am investigating the matter and will update this comment ASAP if it becomes clear that he was willfully dishonest

 

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08:29 PM on 03/02/2011
I am the founder of the Elmhurst College Secular Student Association, and Josh Zuke was my VP while I was president for 2+ years. Zuke's recollection is incorrect. Our group DID co-sponsor the response to the 2008 alleged hate crime under the banner "coexist". I still have the "coexist" T-shirt with our name on it. There was no "difficult deliberation". SSA was consistently involved with interfaith activities and our Spiritual Life Council (SLC). We did not feel as welcome at SLC as many religious students did, but we felt that it was important to be represented there just the same.

That being said, I resent the implication that atheists are aggressive and disagreeable by nature. I resent the suggestion that atheists that need to swallow their pride and come to the "interfaith" table. If atheists are truly welcome, then "Interfaith" groups need to stop touting the value of any religion over no religion. If "interfaith" cooperation is truly about our commonalities rather than our differences, then lets call it "humanist" cooperation. I certainly hope everyone can rally under that banner, even if they bring a religious one with them as well.
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quorthon
Big government IS the answer!
03:28 PM on 03/02/2011
As one who is neither religious nor committed to secular humanism, I seems to me that the world is in such a bad way, that people will HAVE to come together, despite differences in metaphysical opinion, to address some serious problems (environmental destruction, worldwide inequality, etc.). The only rift that will matter in the future will be between people who are onboard with solving these problems, and those who are not.
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DakkonA
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08:57 AM on 03/02/2011
At what point does "interfaith" render itself meaningless and those involved become just a group of people doing something?
10:28 AM on 03/02/2011
I like the way you reason, DakkonA. You're right, it should be about whether people are believers or atheist. It should be about who is making a difference. F&F!
11:07 AM on 03/02/2011
* SHOULD NOT be about whether people are believers or atheist.
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DakkonA
www.DisentangledReality.com
11:50 AM on 03/02/2011
Thank you
08:03 PM on 03/02/2011
The way I see it, the ultimate goal of interfaith efforts really is to render themselves irrelevant. Hopefully in years to come, people will just work together despite whatever religious/philosophical labels they wear--but in order to start building that reality now, we need to be very intentional about crossing those barriers that do exist. Otherwise, too many people who would otherwise be doing good are too busy fighting amongst one another, instead of collaborating based on their shared values.
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Daleri Rileda
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05:49 AM on 03/02/2011
No talk of salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth.
09:06 AM on 03/02/2011
The very concept of sin comes from the bible. Christianity offers to solve a problem of its own making! Would you be thankful to a person who cut you with a knife in order to sell you a bandage?--- -Dan Barker, Losing Faith in Faith
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w84it
12:54 PM on 03/02/2011
I don't think it has anything to do with salvation. It has everything to do with people working towards a common purpose.

Let's say you have a community that is ravaged by gang violence. EVERYBODY in that community is directly or indirectly affected. Interfaith dialogue and community service has everything to do with people of different beliefs in the community working together to solve a common problem...in this case, gang violence.

In this example, the "truth" is gang violence. The "faith" is believing that by working together in a diverse community, something can be done about it.
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ninetailedfox
banning people.....so childish
07:51 PM on 03/01/2011
erfaith relations and religious tolerance is a great concept. Realistically speaking, however, there are groups of people that are stubborn and will resist such ideals. I agree with stoverit about this one, you cant just ignore those people, theyre still there, and they might get louder if you ignore them......
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07:43 PM on 03/01/2011
Just wondering about St. Paul and the evangelist John: were they tax collectors, prostitutes or lepers?

Or were they rabbis?

And the disciples... weren't they fishermen?
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LawrenceRoth
Real Liberal. Real American.
06:28 PM on 03/01/2011
A beacon of secularism or secular beacon. Sounds good.
05:16 PM on 03/01/2011
Lovely piece. I'm an atheist married to a Catholic. Our neighbor and friend is a born-again of sorts; she discovered a new-agey Christian denomination that meets Sundays at the local movie theater. She loves to talk about it - she went through a horrible divorce, and now finds herself a single mom of three kids, and it's helping her get through a tough time. I like hearing about it, even if I don't share her views.

When we had the big east coast blizzards, I would dig her out with my snowblower and pick up groceries for her. When one of our daughters was in the hospital, she helped us out by taking care of our other daughter.

At the end of the day, in the real world, our differences in beliefs don't mean a thing.
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stuoverit
"What year did Jesus think it was?"-GC
05:16 PM on 03/01/2011
Chris, as encouraging as your column is, the ubiquity of intolerance for non-Evangelicals in the deep south where I live makes it difficult to work with these people on issues of faith. There is a baptist college in my hometown that had a group of GLBT protesters arrested for trespassing as soon as they stepped off public sidewalks onto campus grass.

I'm talking about a town where Catholics are viewed with skepticism. I was considered liberal because I was methodist and my family drank. Since word of my atheism has made the rounds, I've noticed people who were once very friendly to me completely ignoring or disassociating with me. I'm indifferent to them, as most of them are just fearful or uneducated about what led me to atheism. How do you contend atheists in situations such as this contend with such intolerance?
05:12 PM on 03/01/2011
The young are different and are far more open. As the World Teacher Maitreya has commented:
"The young will rebel against the ideologies of old, whether they are imposed on them by politicians, religious leaders or intellectuals. And their demands will have impact. . . Young people want to see constitutions that are by the people and for the people. They are tired of the old nepotisms of family, party and ideology. . .
Even children are beginning to challenge the adult world as they respond to the energies of the New Age. In every country, children of soldiers are questioning their fathers about the morality of killing others in their name. . . . Children everywhere are saying that they want to see friendship, humanity and good-will throughout the world, said the associate.
Maitreya says: “Open the doors and let the younger generation enjoy the world.”"
"It is the younger generation which is experiencing the effects of this new energy and this gives them the strength to change the old systems which have imprisoned people. The young know where the power is: it is not in the bullet but in the heart, which is the source of light.
Life comes into the body with light and lies in the heart."
- World Teacher Maitreya through an associate as reported by Share International
05:00 PM on 03/01/2011
For a person accustomed to dealing in reality, religion is just strange. It's as if millions of people decided to believe in leprechauns, for no apparent reason except that someone once told someone else that leprechauns existed. And now those millions of people spend their time debating whether leprechauns wear golden shoe buckles or brass shoe buckles, and arguing about what the Leprechaun King really meant when he said that eating potatoes on Wednesday was sinful. In this day and age such beliefs are extremely dangerous and destructive, as we see by the headlines every day. I still don't understand why people can't simply learn to deal with reality and leave the universe to the forces -- physical or godly -- that run that cosmic enterprise.
10:14 PM on 03/01/2011
amen
02:51 PM on 03/03/2011
It's helpful to think of religion metaphorically, since it is more like a story that helps people make sense of reality. It doesn't need to be "true" as in scientific fact. People who claim their religious beliefs are factually "true" and all others are factually "false" are called Fundamentalists. In my experience, most religious people are not Fundamentalists. Unfortunately, the Fundamentalists are the ones who get all the press coverage, so it's easy to generalize in that direction.
04:12 PM on 03/01/2011
As a Christian working in Higher Education, I am so pleased to see that you were not only welcomed on Christian college campuses but that students were eager to hear this fresh - and badly needed - perspective. If young leaders and academics can continue this important conversation, then the future of atheist-religious cooperation will not just be "different" as you say, but indeed much better. Thanks for your work, Chris!
03:23 PM on 03/01/2011
Atheism should always sit at the same time as the faith based belief systems. Atheism offers a very strong and important element to the growth of these systems and vice versa. The issues and concerns of atheist thought are legitimate questions usually based on human reason and understanding of historical, human, philosophical and epistimological problems in various faiths. I, for one entirely support the idea of atheists interacting with inter-faith organizations and work. At the end of the day, atheists and agnostics must be open to the possibility of faith and the believers must be open to the possibility of non-existence of God and problems of their religions. This is the only way that real progress can be made. Co-operation, respect and tolerance are only the first step.
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Dan Jighter
04:47 PM on 03/01/2011
I'm not an atheist to serve as "a very strong and important element to the growth" for faith based belief systems. I don't disbelieve in God and debate theists merely to serve as a means of theists strengthening the bad arguments behind their beliefs. I do not wished to be used in that manner. I find that you think atheism serves such a role as offensive.
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dancingstu
Christian, liberal lawyer
04:57 PM on 03/01/2011
Wow, this person wrote a very open-minded and balanced comment putting atheism on the same footing as theism.  How sad that you are so insecure in your beliefs that you can't treat this person's beliefs with the same respect that he or she treated yours.  I find your knee-jerk negative reaction against having an open dialogue to be offensive.
06:45 PM on 03/01/2011
Dan, I didn't mean to imply that Atheism is an end in itself, which it is, but in the vein of this blog I was attempting to show that atheism and theism are not islands unto themselves. They exist in relation to each other and there is something each can learn from one another. I guess you missed the part where I said "vice versa". If you believe that you haven't nothing to learn from theistic thought then I guess that would place you in a certain category of people who have understood all there is to know about the subject.
recless
Evidence first. Believe later. Maybe.
06:32 PM on 03/01/2011
But don't you see that using the term "atheism" when you are talking about "secularists" you confuse the debate? There are no "issues and concerns of atheist thought". Atheism is only a position on the question of god(s) existence. It has no issues.
06:51 PM on 03/01/2011
There are issues that atheist thought has to deal with, which I think Sam Harris does a good job trying to start in the Moral Landscape. Atheist thought is an entire body of thought especially in the Eastern tradition. Schools of Eastern thought such as Buddhism, Carvaka and Samkhya are atheist in their beliefs yet have to put forth their own views on human morality, epistimology and so on. Secularism is a political and social movement, the idea of removing the admixture of religion and institutions.