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Friday Talking Points -- Cut Congress' Pay!

Posted: 11/18/11 09:20 PM ET

We're going to try something new here today. Well, before we get to that, we have to apologize for not warning readers last week that we were taking a break for Veterans' Day. Which brings up a related subject: there will be no Friday Talking Points next week, either (the day after Thanksgiving), as we plan to be lounging on the couch in a tryptophan haze. Consider yourselves warned, this time.


Back to today's column, though. We're going to try an experiment today, and try to tighten these columns up significantly. They started off as very simple columns which didn't run all that long, and now they've grown to monstrous proportions. So we'll be (mostly) doing away with this introductory bit here, and moving straight to the awards and the (hopefully, shorter) talking points. We'll see how it goes, and we'll see what readers think. Let us know in the comments, as always. Comments which start with: "You know, it's really annoying how you revel in the editorial 'we' during these columns..." will, as usual, be ignored (by us). We, to coin a phrase, will not be amused.


OK, enough silliness, let's get on with the show.


 

Most Impressive Democrat of the Week


We've got two Honorable Mention awards to hand out before we get to the main event. First up are all the folks in Wisconsin who are gathering signatures to recall their Republican governor. Now, signature-gathering out here in California is hard enough, having to stand around accosting passers-by in front of a supermarket or other public space, but I can only imagine what it is like to do so in the Wisconsin winter. So we have to give everyone gathering signatures up north for the next few months a collective Honorable Mention... and a quick cheer for the Green Bay Packers, while we're at it.


Senator Bernie Sanders is also worthy of an Honorable Mention this week, for an article he wrote for the Huffington Post, in which he begs Democrats to "stop caving." Always good advice for Democrats, sadly enough. Everyone should read Bernie's article, as it is definitely worth your time.


But the winner of the coveted Most Impressive Democrat of the Week this week is none other than Representative Gabrielle Giffords. And not for her "strong victim fighting for survival" human-interest story, either. Instead, for writing to the so-called "supercommittee" and suggesting the radical idea that if Congress wants to cut some spending, why not cut the pay for House and Senate members?


The Washington Post wrote an article on Gabby's effort:


Slashing lawmaker salaries was one of the last major issues Giffords advocated before she was shot in the head at a January 2011 constituent event. Only days before the shooting, Giffords had proposed legislation to cut the salaries of senators and representatives by five percent.


"Members of Congress can't ask any American to cut back before we are willing to make some sacrifices of our own," Giffords said at the time.


The article also has a link to the text of the letter Gifford's just sent -- signed by 11 Republicans and 14 Democrats (so far):


Several pieces of legislation have been introduced this Congress in both the House and the Senate to cut Member salaries and curb gold-plated Member retirement benefits, including the only bill introduced in the 112th Congress by Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords. These proposals show that compensation reductions can result in real deficit savings. For example, a five percent cut to the $174,000 Member salary would save $50 million over a ten year window, while a ten percent pay cut would save $100 million. Adjustments to Member benefit packages, which can be worth 47 percent of salaries, according to reports, could also result in millions of dollars in deficit savings.


United States Members of Congress are more generously compensated than legislators in almost every other country in the world. Legislators in the developed nations receive on average salaries that are 2.3 times higher than the average full-time worker, while we receive salaries that are 3.4 times higher than the average full-time wage. Only members of the National Diet of Japan, earning a salary 3.7 times higher than Japanese workers, outpace Members of Congress.


The last time Members of Congress took a cut in pay was on April 1, 1933 -- the midst of a Great Depression. At a time of similar economic turmoil and record deficits, Congress should not require sacrifices of others without tightening its own belt.


Bravo, Congresswoman! [or maybe, "Brava!" -- my Italian is pretty non-existent, I must confess...]


Sure, this would be merely symbolic. $100 million is a rounding error (especially over a 10-year period) on Capitol Hill. It's less than pocket change, to the budget seen as a whole. But symbolically, this would be huge. And if we start talking about staffing money and retirement packages, it could grow significantly.


For championing this issue -- not for doing so under extraordinarily tough personal circumstances, but for the issue itself -- Representative Giffords is our Most Impressive Democrat of the Week. Go Gabby! Cut Congress' pay!


[Congratulate Representative Gabrielle Giffords on her House contact page, to let her know you appreciate her efforts.]


 


Most Disappointing Democrat of the Week


We are pleased to announce that this is one of those weeks when no Democrat seriously disappointed us (or the public at large). We keep thinking "Maybe we weren't paying attention, maybe we missed somebody doing something idiotic" -- which is always a possibility. As always, let us know in the comments if you've got a suggestion for the Most Disappointing Democrat of the Week award. You can even go back two weeks to suggest a candidate for the MDDOTW award, due to the lapse in columns last Friday.


Of course, we're polishing up a statuette just in case we have to award one next week for whichever Democrat on the supercommittee caves and votes for a Republican plan. And don't worry, even with the Thanksgiving break, we'll still remember this if it happens.


 


Friday Talking Points


Volume 189 (11/18/11)


In honor of Gabby Giffords' MIDOTW stance, we're going to devote the entire talking points section this week to Congressional salaries and perks, and related subjects.


Once again, it's not about the money saved, in this particular instance. It is all about the shared sacrifice, and symbolism.


The Occupy Wall Street movement may be floundering, but the frustration that sparked it is still out there, and still burning fiercely. Democrats need to tap into this energy, and for the life of me I can't think of a more appropriate way to start. So here are my suggestions for what Democrats should come out in support of over the next few days.


 


1
   Our salary, or nothing


This is the tangent to the issue, so we'll get it out of the way first. The issue arose during a hearing where the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac leaders were grilled before Congress, but it should be applied to everyone.


"Any company in America who receives a taxpayer bailout -- no matter what type of company it is -- will conform to the federal employee pay scale. Not one thin dime of taxpayer money will go to any company unless it accepts this rule. The highest-paid executive in any bailed-out company will get exactly the pay that members of Congress receive. Oh, and they'll get a bonus, too -- they'll get to keep working at a job. If these terms are unacceptable to any executive, well, good luck getting hired elsewhere at some exorbitant salary with 'led a company which failed miserably' as your last employer recommendation."


 


2
   Immediate 17 percent cut


Gabby Giffords has the right idea, but even she didn't push it far enough.


"If the supercommittee fails to vote out a bill, then we face what some have estimated as a 17 percent across-the-board cut to all federal domestic programs. If the supercommittee fails to act, I strongly urge Congress to immediately cut its own budget by 17 percent. I demand a 17 percent pay cut for every member of Congress, a 17 percent reduction in budgets for staff and office expenses, and a 17 percent cut in all perks. If we can't cut our own budgets 17 percent -- by next week -- then what moral right do we have to ask the rest of the government to make the same cuts?"


 


3
   Ten times minimum wage


This one would have some real teeth, far into the future.


"I am introducing a bill which ties congressional pay to the minimum wage. I don't think members of Congress deserve more than ten times what the lowest-paid worker receives by law. The minimum wage is currently $7.25 per hour, which works out to an annual salary of $15,080. My bill will set the absolute ceiling for any member of Congress' wage to be $150,800. From now on, if Congress wants to raise its pay, it must do so by raising the minimum wage one-tenth of the amount of our own pay raises. If Congress wants to keep their cost-of-living adjustment, then a proportional COLA must be in place for the minimum wage."


 


4
   Public sector pensions


This is one where recent Republican language can be turned against them.


"Republicans across the country have made an enormous political issue over the pensions of public sector workers such as firefighters, police, and teachers. They say we have to slash these pensions to balance our books. OK, let's start with our own. I am introducing a bill which will end the current pension program for Congress, which is likely the most generous public-sector pension program in all of human history. All of this will end. Instead, we will all get a 401K plan and Social Security and Medicare, just like most private sector employees receive. We are going to set the example for America by only allowing ourselves the same pension that the average American worker gets -- and not a penny more."


 


5
   Congress follows all laws


This one is slightly off on a tangent, but it's such a popular one that I had to include it.


"I am calling for a constitutional amendment which states 'Congress may not pass laws which do not apply to Congress.' This amendment will further state that any laws currently on the books which exempt Congress from any law the rest of America must follow is now null and void. Congress should not be able to carve out exceptions for itself when passing laws. If Congress passes a workplace law, then they must follow this law. If Congress passes a rule all businesses must follow, then they must also follow the new rule. Few Americans are aware of how Congress exempts itself from its own laws in this fashion, but when informed of the practice, few Americans like what they hear. I am calling for this to come to an end, and I am confident that amending the Constitution to do so will be wildly popular with the public."


 


6
   100 percent transparent


If we're going to live in the Citizens United world, let's at least see where the money's coming from.


"I am calling for a campaign finance law which requires everyone paying for any political activity to be publicly identified. If corporations want to spend money in the political arena, we should know who they are, and how much they are giving. No political advocacy entity will be able to have anonymous donors anymore. Full public disclosure for political groups, parties, candidates, PACs, SuperPACs, lobbying, advocacy groups -- everyone. Every dollar which pays for politics in this country -- and who donated it -- needs to be public information. Period."


 


7
   NASCAR jackets for Congress


This idea has been floating around the internet for a while. I certainly can't claim this as an original idea, but it is still the best radical idea in the field of campaign contributions I've ever heard.


"I am introducing a bill I call the 'NASCAR Jacket Bill' which will require all members of Congress to wear -- whenever on the floor of Congress or at a public event -- visible patches from every corporation or lobbying group they've taken money from in the past ten years. Since this 'sponsorship' of Congress is so widespread, let's allow the public to see who is buying whom. Congressmen will be forced to display patches from every group who donates money to them -- and the patches will be larger and more colorful, depending on the amount of money given (just like NASCAR sponsorships are rewarded, in other words). Let the public see this legalized bribery, on every television screen on which a politician appears. Let the people decide for themselves whether they want to vote for a politician who has been bought and sold in this fashion. Give Americans the visual evidence of where the money in politics comes from, by forcing NASCAR jackets on each and every member of Congress."


 


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05:57 AM on 11/21/2011
Congressmen and women should be paid their respective states minimum wage minus taxes.
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tnkeating
Dyslexic agnostic insomniac
01:16 PM on 11/20/2011
She'll need to get in line, half of America has been saying that for many years, and yet they still raised their own pay.
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aikani
10:22 AM on 11/20/2011
as long as congress receives more in pay and benefits than the average american everything they do is illegitimate. as long as they get to set up pacs in order to be able to receive money they would not otherwise be able to (DOJ you need to apply the legal theories you brought forth in US. v. Billmyer against every single rep and senator) thereby bringing themselves under the law of rico/fraud, as long as they pass laws for the rest of us while having their own set of rules they live by, (nothing is being said about DC having medical marijuana) they have created a new social class, the professional politician that survives like leaches on the rest of us.
09:14 AM on 11/20/2011
As for talking point #3, how Congress's salary should be raised, the demand should not be that it be tied to the minimum wage, but that Congress should stop expressly flouting the Constitution, which states in no uncertain terms that the pay of Congress should be changed only by a bill that takes effect after an election, so that the voters have a chance to say whether they like the idea. Tea Partiers like to talk about their reverence for the Constitution, so a great start at being honest about Congressional pay would be to ask Congress to stop spitting on the Constitution, even if they've managed to enlist the Supreme Court to rule that a cost-of-living adjustment is not a raise, though it causes salaries to rise.
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GunnyJ
I do my best every time.
08:12 AM on 11/20/2011
For some reason congress seems untouchable by the people or any law. Sure, they can lose their job for a crime (some cases), but there is nothing in place the people can do immediately to a member of congress who simply does not do a good job of representing their interests? Members of congress get there and become transformed to this national enigma, committed to party and the wealthy when it is the middle and the poor who elect them. They vote up their salary, benefits and stature and we have no say except every two years..... Gerrymandering, and fooling/preventing voters their say many times ensures the continuation of doing nothing and getting deep pockets for it! This congressional scam needs to be repaired once and for all. This is my proposal. Term limits for Congress stay at 2 years. Term limits for the Senate trim to 3 years. Six years is Mitch too long. At re-election the voting record and local/state accomplishments should be transparent and displayed for voters to make their best decision. A member can be recalled after six months if their districts feel they are not being represented. Health care only after six months on the job. Retirement only after 3 consecutive re-elections. Pension age 65. Transportation requests and expense reports should be submitted like the rest of us when we use somebody else's money. Bottom line: we want elected officials to do the business of the people first!
04:10 PM on 11/19/2011
"Cut Congress' Pay"

Bad idea, they would make up the difference in bribes.

Nothing is simple...
12:06 PM on 11/19/2011
That's all i've ever wanted from the government or the 1% for that matter. Even unions could take a page and make it the primary focus of the decade. Imagine the new rallying cry on a picket line.... Shared sacrifice. We are, all of us, in the same boat. When the economy expands, we all reap the benefits. When it retracts, we all tighten our belts. I would bet there would be fewer colapses if these captains of business had to take the loss along with the rest of us. Shared sacrifice is a cause worth fighting for and believing in.
nothingchanges
too soon old, too late smart
10:25 AM on 11/19/2011
While cutting congress's pay will be popular with a lot of people, it won't effect the fundamental problem

What congress makes in salary is peanuts compared to the perks they receive after election, and the millions they get in campaign funds from "special interests".

For our government to work, it's representatives have to "represent" the people that voted them into office, not just the 1% who pay for their election campaigns.

"No man can serve two masters" refers that to the fact that a person can either embrace the actual teachings of Christ, or seek personal wealth, you can't have both. (Despite what so many of the "Christian Right" practice).

The same principle applies to government. Either our Congress works for US, "we the people" or it works for the moneyed few that fund their campaigns.

Judging by the fact that only the "moneyed few" have seen their financial status improve in over 3 decades, it's pretty obvious who our Congress works for, and why our economy is such a mess.
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kyosaku
Nothis non carborundum
12:21 PM on 11/19/2011
The Nazcar jacket plan may help to curb some of their enthusiasm for padding their financial resources. I think it would be a good idea to have exceptionally visible patches to advertise each representative's sponsorship from lobbyists.

Once they are expected to follow the rules they prescribe for others, they won't be able to become lobbyists for at least two years after leaving office.
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fiLthyLiberaLdotcom
Yes, it's a website for liberals.
04:18 PM on 11/19/2011
Never let them become lobbyists.
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NrthrnLord
Prince of a very small part of the universe.
02:03 PM on 11/19/2011
symbolism...it's a wonderful concept, and tool. check it out sometime...
iridium53
Semper Fi
10:23 AM on 11/19/2011
Great idea - cutting their pay.
They only show up half the time anyway.

Cut their medical down to the same as the Ohio firefighters.
Make them pay for all dependents - just like they want everyone else to.

And, since their so fond of killing pensions - eliminate their, make it a no-match 401k, like they want for everyone else.

Since they have put themselves above the laws applicable to the rest of us, they already use their insider trading privilege (way cooler than franking, don't you think?) - so let them use their 401k savings to trade on the market.

Eli
dessertsfirst
because life is too short!!
12:16 AM on 11/20/2011
excellent points all!
sounds like you are on a roll!

if they can't/won't get their work done on time, their pay should be with held until they do.

it still gripes me that they get premier health care... which we the taxpayer have provided for them, but they can't/won't represent our best interests

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09:51 AM on 11/19/2011
Great idea on cutting congressional pensions and pay!

Let's start with the Tea Party people like Ron Paul and Senator Rand Paul! See if they will pledge to cut their pay and pensions!

Change their pension to a 401K and social security just like everyone else!

Let's start a petition!!
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FastPlastic
05:12 PM on 11/19/2011
Left column 6th signature I do believe you will find the name "Ron Paul". http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/Pay-cut-letter.pdf

Ron Paul has already opted out of the pension you speak of.
http://paul.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=999&Itemid=28

Also, if Ron Paul gets elected President he will set his pay to $39,000 a year.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXJIV4LneEY
08:55 AM on 11/19/2011
'New Rules' for Congress! Seriously! Such bills would be a humbling experience for those in Congress coveting personal wealth and political power. I do not find one rule to be partisan, unfair, or unbalanced with respect to the people they pretend to serve. In a legislative body that now acts without regard to even the appearance of impropriety, it is apparent the Constitution they swear to uphold is relegated to the trash heap. One bill should include restrictions to lobbyists serving corporate interests: they cannot have direct access to any congressional representative or their staff. They must write letters like everyone else.
08:50 AM on 11/19/2011
It is very sad that Mrs Giffords was a victim of violence but why doesnt every American have the same type of medical insurance and care as a congress person? Our leaders live an a financially insulated world so much so, they cannot call themselves representatives of the people.
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08:28 AM on 11/19/2011
I'd like to hug this amazing woman.
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bigmaddy
Retired Union, USN
10:23 AM on 11/19/2011
Mark Kelly is one lucky man.
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bbarnezz
"Round up the usual suspects"
08:07 AM on 11/19/2011
The hypocrisy of elected officials voting themselves automatic pay raises, while at the same time cutting the salaries, jobs, and benefits of selective service workers, and the unemployment benefits of the jobless, is mega-ironic. Sorta like the Newtster vilifying the President for taking money from Fannie and Freddie, while he himself was collecting a cool million plus for providing his consultations on "history". Could there be some sort of warped hypocrisy gene that is present in politicians that enables them to, say, accept an award from a family values group at the same time that they are delinquent with their child support? Or to advocate for more tax cuts at the same time they are screaming about the national deficit? Or to call big businesses "job creators" while they are busily moving jobs to Asia? We need more research in this area.
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bigmaddy
Retired Union, USN
10:37 AM on 11/19/2011
Family Values and Republican is a oxymoron. You look at the current republican's in congress and running for president, what a sad group they are if the aren't immoral then they're greedy. wife cheaters, dead beat dad, groopers, and hypocrites. They are willing to destroy America to get Obama, They take oaths from a lobbist over the oath they took to defend the Constitution.
PayingAttention
consider this
07:43 AM on 11/19/2011
I suggest that congress simply become a debating society with no voting power at all. All votes would be decided by the amount of money sent in for either the yea or nay side of any issue. This system is hardly different from the system we have now other than the fact we have eliminated the non productive middle man.
Instead of the money going to finance endless campaigns, it would go directly to the treasury. Lets say the Koch Brothers and Warren Buffet get into a bidding war about whether taxes should be raised on billionaires, the treasury will be a winner regardless of the outcome. Or on the other hand if you want the local post office name changed to honor your grandfather who served in WWII, perhaps a few hundred dollars would do it.
All contributors, amounts, and running totals would be posted on the internet. But win or lose the treasury keeps the money.
You may be saying to yourself, this system will wind up putting all the power in the hands of the rich. Like I said, this system doesn't change anything other than eliminating unproductive middle men.
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kyosaku
Nothis non carborundum
12:25 PM on 11/19/2011
Political Auctions, what a great idea! At least we would finally know who buys our servitude.