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Taking Rick Perry Seriously

Posted: 08/24/11 09:38 PM ET

To most Democrats, Texas Governor Rick Perry's candidacy for the Republican presidential nomination has so far seemed somewhat of a joke. At least until now, that is. The Lefty blogosphere has indeed been having a field day ever since Perry announced, over some of Perry's off-the-cuff comments, both past and present. Today's news, however, should go a long way towards forcing Democrats to start taking Perry seriously -- because according to multiple opinion polls (the first national polls released after Perry jumped in the race), Mitt Romney is no longer the "frontrunner." Perry is. By double-digits. [Poll data is available from both Real Clear Politics and the Huffington Post, if you're interested.]

This should force pundits across the political spectrum to re-evaluate Rick Perry's campaign. Instead of seeing through the lens of: "What my circle of friends thinks of Rick Perry's gaffes," this time the pundits should focus a little more closely on: "What Republican primary voters think of Rick Perry as a candidate." Because, so far, they seem to be flocking to support Perry -- to the visible detriment of Mitt Romney's standing in the polls.

The lesson Democrats never seem to learn is that what they look for in a presidential candidate is just not the same as what Republican primary voters look for. While Democrats were filled with mirth over Perry's comments (on all sorts of subjects) in the past few weeks, they didn't notice that not many people over in the Republican base were laughing. "How can a person be taken seriously as a presidential candidate who says/believes X?" was the refrain from the Left, while over on the Right, many voters were actually just fine with Perry's comments. Perhaps checking some opinion polling among the American public at large, on the subjects of evolution and global warming (for instance) might help.

Of course, this all may be a momentary bump for Perry. He's the newest candidate on the Republican scene, and we've had quite a few of these "flavor of the month" poll bumps already this year. Perhaps his numbers will fade, and Mitt Romney will once again re-emerge as the one leading the pack of contenders. Then again, perhaps not. About the only sure bet right now is to lay money on Romney soon emerging from his self-imposed shell, and start actually campaigning in the next few weeks.

Those who knew Perry in Texas have said all along that he's going to be a force to be reckoned with in the Republican race. Today, people are beginning to give this opinion a bit more weight. Not only has Perry won every political race he's ever run in, he is also from the largest state in the Republican electoral firmament, and he commands a base of wealthy fundraisers the other Republican candidates must envy. Being from Texas might give pause to independent voters in the general election, but it is a major plus for Perry in terms of fundraising and in terms of being the favorite throughout the entire South during primary season.

Perry could easily win two of the first four primary races -- Iowa and South Carolina. He's probably not going to do as well in New Hampshire, but he may be the favorite heading into Florida. From Super Tuesday on, it's hard not to see how Perry could cut a path to victory.

Perry's biggest drawback is that he does make some Republicans nervous. Some of these Republicans are quite powerful, either behind the scenes in the party machinery or out in public in the Republican commentariat. They may all wind up biting the bullet and falling in behind Romney before this whole thing is over. The real test is whether their influence in today's Tea-Party-infused Republican voter base is as powerful as it used to be -- which is truly an open question, at this point.

Of course, none of this even begins to address what Perry's chances against Barack Obama would be next year, but this may be immaterial to his chances of winning the Republican nomination. Some voters always wind up voting on the "electability" question, but that may not be as true this time around as it once was. The voters who bear the closest scrutiny, on this question, are likely the (fairly moderate) suburban Republican voters who may be concerned with how some of the things Perry says are going to stack up next to Barack Obama's campaign rhetoric.

Some Democrats may even now be viewing Perry's rise in the polls with glee. The reasoning behind this will be: "Let's hope they pick their worst candidate, to improve our guy's chances!" This, however, can be quite dangerous. OK, sure, in the midterms Republicans blew several quite-winnable Senate races (see: Christine O'Donnell, Sharron Angle) by nominating some pretty far-out Tea Party candidates. But this sort of wishful thinking also has a long history of backfiring.

Remember all the Democrats who greeted the nomination of George W. Bush with joy? Remember how easy that Texas buffoon was going to be for Al Gore to crush? Dubya spent two terms in the White House. Older Democrats will also remember the relief which the Carter White House greeted the news that the Republicans had nominated that absolute joke of a candidate, Ronald Reagan. He also served two terms (three, if you count George H.W. Bush's term as a Reaganite victory lap). Be careful what you wish for, in other words.

But no matter how Democrats (or Republicans, for that matter) are currently viewing Rick Perry's candidacy, one thing is for certain. From now on, Rick Perry is going to be taken a lot more seriously. By everyone.

 

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To most Democrats, Texas Governor Rick Perry's candidacy for the Republican presidential nomination has so far seemed somewhat of a joke. At least until now, that is. The Lefty blogosphere has indee...
To most Democrats, Texas Governor Rick Perry's candidacy for the Republican presidential nomination has so far seemed somewhat of a joke. At least until now, that is. The Lefty blogosphere has indee...
 
 
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12:34 PM on 09/01/2011
Good fair article!
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Americanium
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12:08 AM on 08/31/2011
I can promise you that Perry win the GOP nomination, Obama will win on a canter.. This guy will implode on stage with Obama because he has no respect for the President and it will show in bad way. I want him to win the GOP for that reason only
03:37 AM on 08/27/2011
Anyone, ANYONE!
PLEASE tell me when in American history, a depression of the size and scope we are now dealing with was eradicated in the space of TWO YEARS???
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Matthew Walters
Give to each according to need!
12:28 AM on 08/26/2011
How come every time a team wins a game or two the dynasty theories start popping up!

Everybody want to be the first to predict the outcomes of elections the way we predict earthquakes!

WE DON'T!

If some earth shaking political break through is imminent someone will be able to claim to be a profit. ON the other side someone is predicting Perry will become a joke covering all the bets!

Thanks media!

For giving hope to fools, fear to the sucked in readers, or possibly a scoop that will afford you your own Drudge like credibility. To those who flipped the coin and bet on Perry being a joke, if you have the patients we'll know far off down the line whom that the joke is on.

I don't pretend to know but predictions this early are like grasping at straws
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02:37 AM on 08/27/2011
Matthew Walters -

Yeah, but what ELSE are we pundits supposed to do for the next six or seven months? At least grasping at straws provides some entertainment for those who are already paying attention, no?

:-)

-CW
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Matthew Walters
Give to each according to need!
06:37 AM on 08/27/2011
Yea what the heck! Let start the Superbowl pregame soon! The weather is frequestly a huge story when a blizzard might happen and then when it fizzles they hope for a famine or something to segway into!
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Gaspar Ramsey
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09:10 PM on 08/25/2011
I have always taken Rick Perry all too seriously. Many erroneously describe him as a modern Elmer Gantry--after all, Gantry was just a bumpkin on a roll--but he bears a more chilling resemblance to Heinlein's Nehemiah Scudder, elected President in 2012. There were no elections in 2016 as the reign of the First Prophet had begun.
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02:01 AM on 08/27/2011
Gaspar Ramsey -

"I was young then, and not too bright -- a legate fresh out of West Point, and a guardsman in the Angels of the Lord, the personal guard of the Prophet Incarnate. At birth my mother had consecrated me to the Church and at eighteen my Uncle Absalom, a senior lay censor, had prayed an appointment to the Military Academy for me from the Council of Elders."

We can only hope for stout men like John Lyle if that future ever comes to pass, that's all I have to say.

If this goes on... you'll probably find me in Coventry....

:-)

-CW
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JohnnyWalkerBlueLabel
527HP, 12.4@112mph 1/4 mile
03:18 PM on 08/25/2011
What "gaffes?" Obama does not make gaffes because he never says anything, using a maximum amount of words. Every time I hear one of his speaches, I come away under the impression that is was simply a performance, with no substantive content.
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Gaspar Ramsey
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09:31 PM on 08/25/2011
Do neocon dictionaries include the word "speaches"? My OED does not.
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Gaspar Ramsey
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09:37 PM on 08/25/2011
I am glad that you noted that President Obama is a careful, logical thinker, even if his well-thought out words are not the stuff of sound bites and blooper reels and are thus beyond the comprehension of those who cannot spell.
09:12 PM on 08/26/2011
Speaches, peaches, SCIENCE is what our government TEACHES - in school...

We "left wing ultra radical anti-Americans" also believe in teaching SPELLING in school!
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TitaniumAvatar
Sinister yet Dexterous
01:41 PM on 08/25/2011
We better get serious.

He's got good hair, good presence on the stump, and seems like a guy you could have a beer with. These seeem to be all some voters need to sway them.

W only had two out of these three and got elected twice.
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Gaspar Ramsey
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09:39 PM on 08/25/2011
If you had a beer with Perry, you'd pay for it, and that of all his cronies.
01:28 PM on 08/25/2011
Perry has a muscle head mentality, but without the other muscles to boot. I'd like him to appear on the TV show Bully Beatdown. Now that's real entertainment.
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KenGirard
"American" is my religion. I have faith in it.
01:28 PM on 08/25/2011
You know how the average guy is not that smart, and has made lots of stupid mistakes? 49% of the population is dumber then him. To them the average guy is smart, so they will vote for him. And since they don't really understand exactly what words mean, they go with the idea of a statement, not the actual words. They don't want someone who makes them feel stupid to be in charge, so they prefer to vote for the people who are just a little smarter then them, rather then a lot smarter then them.
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Gaspar Ramsey
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09:42 PM on 08/25/2011
Actually, I'm afraid the number is closer to 60%. But Obama is smarter than about 99% of the population, and a heckuva lot smarter than Rick Perry. In any Presidential election, the smart money is on the incumbent.
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DiogenesOfAlaska
Mitt Romney for president - of the Cayman islands!
01:09 PM on 08/25/2011
"Perhaps checking some opinion polling among the American public at large, on the subjects of evolution and global warming (for instance) might help."

Help with respect to what? Enhance the understanding of evolution? Undo global warming? I don't understand.
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LizM
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01:18 PM on 08/25/2011
Read the article. Again.
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DiogenesOfAlaska
Mitt Romney for president - of the Cayman islands!
03:01 PM on 08/25/2011
You're a little trigger-happy, aren't you, when it comes to judging people.

Did it ever occur to you that you're not the only one suffering from the madness and ignorance of others?

My comment was poking fun. I did read the article.
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tinsldr2
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03:28 PM on 08/25/2011
February 11, 2009
On Darwin’s Birthday, Only 4 in 10 Believe in Evolution
Belief drops to 24% among frequent church attenders
by Frank Newport

PRINCETON, NJ -- On the eve of the 200th anniversary of Charles Darwin's birth, a new Gallup Poll shows that only 39% of Americans say they "believe in the theory of evolution," while a quarter say they do not believe in the theory, and another 36% don't have an opinion either way. These attitudes are strongly related to education and, to an even greater degree, religiosity.\

http://www.gallup.com/poll/114544/darwin-birthday-believe-evolution.aspx

But the numbers above are misleading because a large number of Americans believe that God had a hand in the evolutionary process and thus are closer to the beliefs of Gov Perry, or at least less like to discount him because of those beliefs

Now only about 40% believe in strict creationism but over 30% believe in God planned and guided that evolution.

America remains a largely God Believing Nation.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/145286/four-americans-believe-strict-creationism.aspx

The point Mr Weigant is making is that while Progressives can laugh at the beliefs of Gov Perry on issues like that, a lot of voters are not that far away from him in their beliefs.
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DiogenesOfAlaska
Mitt Romney for president - of the Cayman islands!
03:40 PM on 08/25/2011
I get that. But somebody once noted that a claim or view doesn't become the truth no matter how often it is repeated or pandered to - in case it is false.

Just a little later, a one billion inhabitant subcontinent was free again.

Alright I'll admit that I employed a present-day equivalent of the number of inhabitants. I also don't truly believe that Texas should somehow "do the India" thing - despite geographical or geometric similarities.
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05:03 PM on 08/25/2011
tinsdlr2 -

Thank you for doing the research I was too lazy to do. Just had to say that.

Your data makes exactly the point I was asking Democratic pundits and poobahs to consider: just because you think a GOP candidate is unelectable because he/she believes X, that doesn't mean the electorate (especially in a partisan primary) is going to think the same thing.

Well done, I salute you for doing my work for me!

-CW
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linmarco
01:04 PM on 08/25/2011
A sizable portion of the voting public likes a president with swagger, bravado, and gall. This man has all three. Intelligence? Not on this watch. It's not there but they don't care. To them he's one of them and their numbers aren't small. Obama is low key. He gave the order to kill the Somali pirates, get Bin Laden, help get rid of Gadaffi, and he was instrumental in getting the health care bill passed. For the record several presidents beginning with Theodore Roosevelt had tried to pass one and couldn't but he did. Throughout all of this his demeanor has been one of calmness. The economy is his Achilles heel. Big business wants to see him gone and replaced with someone who will give them free rein again. Perry on the other hand is John Wayne in pin stripes and will let them have at it.. If he's elected look for hiring to pick up within hours of his election but the wages will be smaller. People will be so desperate until they won't care. Look for him also to begin a push to repeal the minimum wage. The hope of those that didn't vote for him? The 2016 election of course.
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Gaspar Ramsey
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09:51 PM on 08/25/2011
If Nehemiah Scudder allows any 2016 elections. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/If_This_Goes_On%E2%80%94
12:57 PM on 08/25/2011
What's Obama got to run on? There's been no Change, and people are losing Hope. I'm not voting for him again.
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LizM
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01:20 PM on 08/25/2011
Obviously, your comment would tend to indicate a poor grasp of reality.
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tinsldr2
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03:06 PM on 08/25/2011
Hey Liz, was just thinking about you because I had not seen yer comments here yet and I hope you are doing great!

So what should Obama run on, the 9+% unemployment he had his entire term? The shakey economy? The further collapse of the inner cities and Infrastructure? The war he got us engaged in in Libya? The closing of Gitmo? The fact that as of today all the troops are out of Iraq? (they are not if you don't know). The fact he sent more troops to Afghanistan then Bush did? His great plan for dealing with illegal immigration? Healthcare plan that is wildly unpopular? Higher gas prices? Poor response to the BP disaster?

Ok we got Bin Laden on his watch and he learned to bowl. But I am not voting for him based on that!!
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KenGirard
"American" is my religion. I have faith in it.
01:34 PM on 08/25/2011
So...what have any of the others got to offer up? What have they managed to do to get America back on track? Republicans said they were going to focus on jobs. OK, been 10 months now. Have you seen them try to do anything about it? They worked hard on making sure that the rich peoples taxes didn't go up...So when do the rich start creating jobs?
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tinsldr2
Retired Army Officer
03:30 PM on 08/25/2011
I saw 8 bills pass the house that would create Jobs but have not seen the senate take them up on it.

yes the republicans are working to create jobs but the obstructionists in the Democrat controlled Senate are blocking those attempts.

See: http://kingston.house.gov/blog/?postid=249593
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12:41 PM on 08/25/2011
The front runner? When your talking about the bottom 80% I guess he is the front runner. He has brought nothing new to the table,he is Shrub 2 and we have seen that pony and dog show already. Eight years of Shrub and we still can't see the top of the hole,Obama can only tread water just so long, and with the NO party throwing him lead lifesavers its only a matter of time before they fulfill their dream of making Obama look bad at all costs. But, it will be after the landslide that propels him into a second term, and the tsunami that sweeps the TEApublican majority out of office.
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tinsldr2
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03:32 PM on 08/25/2011
yes like the recent tsunami of 2010? Or the Wisconsin recall elections? Those Tsunami's? Or the presidents terrible polling numbers among Independents?
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03:57 PM on 08/25/2011
Who would you vote for? Someone who is trying? Or some untested, lobbyist pawn?
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AGammaRaye
Awake!! Independent.
12:37 PM on 08/25/2011
Rebaggers would elevate Bullwinkle if he announced --as long as he also announced God spoke to him too. Short attention spans, skewed facts and get Obama their best traits...truly nightmarish...
maumeeone
...Not that there's anything wrong with that!
12:34 PM on 08/25/2011
I totaly agree. Rick Perry's candidacy should be taken very seriously, lest we make the same mistake as was made with the candidacy of george w. bush. What we definitely do not want is a repeat of another shallow, blustery Texan in the White House. I realize the attention span of today is that of a gnat, but please let us not lose our focus on this one!!! There is simply too much at stake.