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From Lady Gaga to Rev. Gaga?

Posted: 12/19/11 02:35 PM ET

Pop phenom Lada Gaga recently announced her plans to seek ministerial ordination so that she may marry her long-time friends, both of whom are women. The news stirred conflicting feelings for me, given that I affirm both the right of all consenting adults to marry, as well as the so-called "priesthood of all believers." The latter is a value taken from my own denomination, the Christian Church, (Disciples of Christ), which proclaims that we all have a divine call to serve in some ministerial capacity. As Amy, my wife (who is an ordained minister), puts it every Sunday morning at our church, she's the pastor but we're all ministers. We all have a ministry.

So why did it bother me a little bit when I heard of Gaga's plans to apply for ordination through the Universal Life Church, a mail-order process that indiscriminately ordains any and all who apply? A couple of things come to mind.

Amy and I had a friend some time back who decided to seek the proper certification to perform marriages. A few months later, they were making a little business out of it, and then told us they were looking to "break into the funeral market." Yes, I understand that there are inherent principles of business at work in organized religion, but to gain entry to it simply for the purpose of seizing market share is disturbing.

Lady Gaga obviously doesn't need the money that a few weddings would put in her pocket, but such a move certainly does make headlines. Could she be doing this primarily as an act of media provocation? Though she, or any of her fans, could rationalize the move otherwise, it's undeniable that she does stand to gain personally from this to her ever-growing list of "outrageous" spotlight-grabbers.

Still, I'm conflicted. One the one hand, it could be argued that she's using her fame to draw attention to an important issue of justice, rather than exploiting the cause for her own personal gain. Ultimately, only she can answer with respect to her personal motive. And if her being ordained were the only way her friends could legally become married, the act would make more sense. However her friends, who reportedly live in New York (a state that has made same-sex marriage legal), have any number of other opportunities to seek a wedding official that already holds the office of minister.

So in a sense, it seems that Gaga's decision to become Rev. Gaga would diminish the office of ministry, rather than adding much -- if anything -- to the cause of LGBT rights.

Ordained ministers have the potential to tap into significant power over people's lives. We trust them in counsel, we acknowledge their authority to preside over critical events such as birth, passage into adulthood, marriage and death. My own assessment is that the sacredness of the office of ordained ministry intentionally bigger than any one person. As such, one who holds the office should undergo some degree of training, counsel, personal reflection and ongoing accountability.

But the path that Gaga is considering requires none of this from her, while endowing her with all of the rights and privilege of the position.

For some who have followed my anti-colonial positions on the institutionalized process of ordination, this all may seem a contradiction to things I've said in the past. But never have I suggested that, in de-colonizing the training and vetting process, we should do away with the rigors of study, practice and lifelong accountability.

Ordination is symbolic of a sacred trust between those who hold the position and those who entrust them with special, and sometimes very vulnerable, parts of our lives. I applaud the couple's opportunity to marry, as well as Lady Gaga's bold positions on LGBT rights in public. But rather than diminishing the entire office of ordained ministry because some still use it as a tool of exclusion and oppression, let's seek to affirm and uphold those who are on the same side of the debate.

Any number of jokes come to mind -- like one about Ashton Kutcher performing my nephew's briss next month -- but ordained ministry is a serious matter independent of your own personal theological beliefs. Where there is power, there will be exploitation of that power. We see this all too often. If you recall, when Jesus drove the moneychangers out of the temple, he didn't burn down the temple. His focus was not on the system so much as on those who used it to their advantage.

As we seek to form the Church Universal into something more resembling our understanding of God's kingdom, we should focus on strengthening the good we find around us rather than taking a slash-and-burn approach that risks making a farce of it all together.

 
 
 

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Pop phenom Lada Gaga recently announced her plans to seek ministerial ordination so that she may marry her long-time friends, both of whom are women. The news stirred conflicting feelings for me, give...
Pop phenom Lada Gaga recently announced her plans to seek ministerial ordination so that she may marry her long-time friends, both of whom are women. The news stirred conflicting feelings for me, give...
 
 
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10:43 PM on 02/04/2012
Not saying that you think this is the reason she wishes to do this, but I really am beginning to get annoyed that is the first thing people think are her intentions. She once said, "I do something different and I get stoned for it." Not that you are stoning her, I'm not saying that, but whenever Lady Gaga does something, people think she is either doing it for attention or doing it to offend a group. Now, we'll never know what she means by all this, but I, for one, completely oppose the idea that she doing it for attention or money and whatnot.

Again, she did say once, "It doesn't matter how much money you've got in your pocket, you have your own destiny and your own life ahead of you." She may wear outlandish designer labels, she may have super decked out, crazy, ginormous tour stages, she may live a glamorous lifestyle, but she's never let it get to her head. She scorns those who are out in the music only to gt money and fame. She's in the music industry because she loves music. She lives and breathes it and with the fame she gains, she uses it for the better cause. I realize I sound like I'm yelling, but I promise I'm not. You show reason in this article, you don't sound like one of those who like to yell at Lady Gaga and stone her for being different.
06:03 PM on 01/04/2012
I used the same exact website to get ordained, as did Conan Obrien and. I would highly recommend it to anybody interested in becoming ordained. The universal life churchhttp://www.themonastery.org/ seems to be a very open and a gay friendly church. Also getting ordained is extremely simple, the entire process only took about 5 minutes and is completely legitimate!
02:31 PM on 12/31/2011
What would be even better...if people all trusted Jesus as their Lord and Savior.
06:13 PM on 12/28/2011
Whatever this is, it has nothing to do with Jesus Christ of the Bible. He is the WHOLE Bible. All of it. I was gay for many years. I lived in misery, depression and lust. I didn't like it. But I could not change myself. So I did the only thing I could do: I fully surrendered to Christ. Completely. All of me. Nothing held back. Then Jesus, as the Bible promises, stepped in and took the whole thing away. Today I am healthy heterosexual. If you are not happy being gay, you can change too. If you need help in the process, visit ilivestraight website. It may be of some help to you.
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01:39 AM on 12/28/2011
Gaga is a great person to be an ordained minister. Who decides what "sacred trust etc" consists of? Who sets themselves up as this authority? Usually people who do not have the best interests of others in mind but rather their own best egotistical power seeking interests. I have sacred trust in Gaga and many others. I have NO scared trust in many people who are religious leaders.

As for "self serving motivation" Have you seen what religions get up to? Endless money collecting and political influence totally for self serving egotistical reasons. Endless corruption and abuse. I say lets expand self serving religious authority so that anyone who wants it can have a turn. Couldn't be worse than what we currently have. Actually, restricted access creates arrogance and abuse. Let everyone be a minister and the people can decide which ones to trust.
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08:20 PM on 12/23/2011
Why shouldn't anyone have the right to marry two people committed to one another? Why are ministers or ship captains endowed with some specialness that makes them superior than any other regular Joe or Jane? Lady Gaga wants to be the master of ceremonies at a special occasion marking the formal commitment of two people in love. Instead of finding fault or insinuating some ulterior purpose, how about just accepting it for what it is, an expression of acceptance and an individual blessing for success. I would rather have someone that cared about me officiating at my wedding than some stranger in a dark suit.
02:21 PM on 12/20/2011
This was a very thoughtful piece. Thanks for that. But I do think you may need to find other things to worry about. People have been getting online ministerial credentials pretty much since there was an "online." Policing intentions are really outside the scope of anyone's concern, unless they are the officiant or celebrant, or member of the wedding party, that is.
12:46 PM on 12/20/2011
I must agree that only Lady Gaga can answer for her own intentions. My interpretation is that I see this as her following through with her continued work of furthering equal rights for the LGBT community. I don't see her doing this as a publicity stunt. I applaud her efforts.
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cable1977
Against logic there is no armor like ignorance
11:30 AM on 12/20/2011
It appears you are attempting to use your own personal views of what a "minister" should be to cover all religions everywhere. Unless the Rev. Gaga is claiming to be a member of a religious faith that did not actually ordain her, I have difficultly understanding what your issue is here. It appears that she is stating exactly where she got her ordination from, not misrepresenting her qualifications or beliefs in any way.

Similarly with the individuals you talk about getting ordination to perform weddings and getting paid for their services, are they claiming to be something they are not? If not, then why do you get to decide that the services they provide are not valid or reasonable or not worthy of payment. The Catholic church charges you to get married and to perform funerals.

Both the Universal Life Church, and your own religion as well, have approximately the same amount of evidence supporting their beliefs systems, i.e. none, hence why it is called "faith" in the first place. I think George Carlin said it best when he added an extra commandment to the list, "Keep thy religion to thyself".
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LMPE
I connect the most dissimilar things
01:29 AM on 12/20/2011
If in fact Lady Gaga gets married (no matter who to), it'll probably be the most flamboyant event in history. Better yet, it'll anger Fred Phelps beyond imagination.
11:36 PM on 12/19/2011
This sounds more like a critique of those churches which will indiscriminately license anybody than a critique of Lady Gaga herself. After all, she's not trying to do anything that hundreds of people can't already do.
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10:58 PM on 12/19/2011
Cant anyone send away for their 'official' document? Surely, there is another ordained person who can do this. Another publicity stunt?
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Ioan Lightoller
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07:51 AM on 12/20/2011
Last I heard, Sinead O'Connor is an Old Catholic Priest.
09:53 PM on 12/19/2011
I understand where the author of this article is coming from, but ordained ministry may be the last thing this couple is thinking about. They both may be atheist, or two other religions and don't need the hierarchical Christian leader to ordain their marriage. If their good friend wants to marry them I see that as a creative process and doing something outside of the societal norm, I am envious of those ladies to have such an idea. I always joke with my friends that I will be the one "marrying" all of them to their future spouse! She has enough media attention I doubt it's a publicity stunt.
09:47 PM on 12/19/2011
Well written, Christian. Thank you for this. (And it sounds like some folks need to meet a different sort of pastor. This made me giggle. Business and money? I'll have to let everyone know at our next clergy meeting that the wealth is about to start rolling in any day, now!)
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DiogenesOfAlaska
Mitt Romney for president - of the Cayman islands!
04:00 PM on 12/19/2011
That's very interesting. When I first read your headline and leading paragraph, I thought Lady Gaga wanted to become some kind of high priestess of some obscure cult so that she could get married to two of her closest friends simultaneously.

But apparently, the actual story is a lot less glamorous...
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Christian Piatt
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06:12 PM on 12/19/2011
yeah not quite that interesting I'm afraid.
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DiogenesOfAlaska
Mitt Romney for president - of the Cayman islands!
01:52 AM on 12/20/2011
actually, it IS quite interesting. I'm thinking of Late Night hosts introducing

... the reverend formerly known as Lady Gaga...