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Full-Quiver Theology


Remember when George H. W. Bush promised us a kinder, gentler form of Republicanism?

Did that happen?

No.

We're now being told that the Religious Right is becoming a kinder, gentler political force.

Is that happening?

No.

In fact, core supporters of the Religious Right are moving only one direction -- farther out. And that is exactly where they want to take the country.

2008-07-07-otb_godscountry.jpgLast week, I told you about a sermon given by Bruce Ware, a professor of Christian theology at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary. He used the Bible to back up his notion that God means for women to be submissive to men and that men because of their sinful nature beat women who because of their sinful nature aren't submissive enough.

Now I want to tell you about some of the other ideas coming out of this seminary, which has become a primary mouthpiece for the most fundamentalist positions of the Southern Baptist Convention. This is the seminary that defended the use of torture in the fight against terrorism. It is also the seminary that is bringing us a new theology featuring what Kansas City Baptist minister Keith Herron calls a religious sexual obsession that links the Bible with "the ickiest viewpoints about sex and procreation and pleasure."

This new teaching is being called "the full quiver theology" and is based on Psalm 127: 3-5 which reads: "Children are a heritage of the Lord, the fruit of the womb, a reward. As arrows in a soldier's hand, so are the sons of the young. Blessed is the man who has filled his quiver with them." So the more children, a couple has, the better.

But fundamentalists never stop with what's good. They always address both sides of the question. Obedient insiders get God's blessing. The disobedient get God's condemnation.

According to the seminary's president, Albert Mohler, couples who choose childlessness are guilty of "rebellion against parenthood [that] represents nothing less than an absolute revolt against God's design." God will decide whether to open or close the womb. Using birth control is an act against God's will. The truly Christian couple will allow God to decide whether each act of sex will result in procreation and sex will be returned to its proper place in a Christian's life.

And the Christian woman? She'll submit, of course.

Couples who delay marriage until they are older are also guilty of disobedience under this new theology.

When President Mohler explained the teaching some years ago to the Chicago Tribune, he explained that under-population was a pressing concern.

"We are barely replenishing ourselves," he said. "That is going to cause huge social problems in the future."

That led Miguel De La Torre, professor of social ethics at Denver's Iliff School of Theology, to wonder exactly whom Mohler meant by "we." The world's population is expected to grow to 9 billion by 2050. The United States' population is expected to grow to 400 million by 2040.

No under-population there.

But wait. There is one U.S. population that's declining. White people.

If present trends continue Euro-Americans will cease being the majority race in the United States by about 2050. Over the next half century, America will become a predominately non-white nation.

"Hence, the religious call for 'full-quiver' theology is white-supremacy code language advocating for the increase of white babies," writes De La Torre.

"Mohler's call, whether he realizes it or not, is a race-based warning. It is a call for white fecundity, lest America becomes overrun with "colored" children, which would only lead, as Mohler puts it, to 'huge social problems in the future.' "

Oh, yes. And one more point, for decades Southern Baptists have loudly declared that their fundamentalism is the "right" Christianity and pointed as proof to their own growth while mainline denominations were declining. But the Southern Baptist Convention's growth rate has been shrinking since the 1950s, according to new statistics.

It has now fallen enough that the Southern Baptist Convention is recording membership losses.

One reason? Birth rates among Southern Baptists are declining.

President Mohler and Professor Ware back up their contentions with plenty of Bible verses. For some people, that means they are teaching the truth.

But other evangelicals say their interpretations are as wacky as using the Bible to defend slavery, segregation, white supremacy, oppression of the poor and unjust wars.

"Dr. Ware needs to have his head examined. He and the others who share these views need therapy and should be banned from teaching the next generation of ministers who sit at their feet learning about God, about human pain and suffering," writes Rev. Herron.

"Warning signs should be posted at the entrance of the seminary: "Warning! Sexual Obsessions Abound Here ... Enter at Your Own Peril!"

Professor De La Torre writes, "It is the height of biblical naivete to impose modern concepts upon ancient texts." Women and children were considered property when the Bible was written.

When Job's cattle and sheep and goods were taken away, his children were also killed, De Le Torre points out. In the happy ending, God restored them all. The property was interchangeable. Cows dead. Children dead. No real difference. Just get some more.

Happy ending.

That was a very different time.

Few commentators are going to be willing to call fundamentalist evangelicals' positions sexual obsessions. Few will be willing to call them racist.

So this could be the only place and the only time that you will see them labeled as such.

These positions, in fact, are unlikely to be broadly brandished as the campaign moves on. But Southern Baptist Theological Seminary is not a fringe institution. Albert Mohler and Bruce Ware are well respected and their words are heeded. Young people do sit at their feet, learning.


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Remember when George H. W. Bush promised us a kinder, gentler form of Republicanism? Did that happen? No. We're now being told that the Religious Right is becoming a kinder, gentler political f...
Remember when George H. W. Bush promised us a kinder, gentler form of Republicanism? Did that happen? No. We're now being told that the Religious Right is becoming a kinder, gentler political f...
 
 
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01:00 PM on 07/12/2008
Racisim and sexism seems to be thriving among the worlds religions. Anti rights is their war call !
12:57 PM on 07/12/2008
Funny how these religions all give man dominion over woman ,lol. Guess these religions were all started by men as was the bible written by men ! The bible also favors the jews and Christians ,, another question to ponder ?
Also funny how religions get thier followers by using fear tactic's the same as our government does . Fear of going to hell ,fear of Gods wrath etc. ect .Makes you question just a tad bit doesn't it as to who started religions and why ? Could it have possibly been started to gain control of the masses ? It sure had that effect although maybe a lot less today thatn years ago since people are starting to think for themselves more in this generation.
08:52 AM on 07/10/2008
Wow. Wow. Oh man. It's no small wonder that our society has become so very, very screwed up. Organized religions have long tried to fill church seats (as well as their collection plates) by promoting and rewarding unrestricted procreation, well at least within their own narrow church-sanctioned male/female marriages, that is. Barefoot and pregnant is an antiquated notion that, inexplicably, to this very day, continues to exist in our society. My born-again Pentecostal ex-boss is particularly guilty of this atrociously misguided train of thought and he openly advocates forced conversion to religion to cure our nation's collective ills. Organized religion can't die quick enough foe me.

i firmly believe this type of belief exists because so many in the lunatic fringe are suddenly feeling quite left out of the whole political process and feel some urgent, last-ditch need to over-exert what's left their constitutionally-protected rights.
04:52 PM on 07/09/2008
Why did God not tell the scripture writers that the earth was spherical, not flat, since he made it? Unless of course those who believe the scriptures equally believe the earth IS flat. Seems we humans will believe ANYTHING if it suits our neurosis.
01:44 AM on 07/10/2008
Good question. God did not telll anyone about DNA, gravity, computers, silicon,automobiles or many other things,

So, jackwaddington, who created you? And why? If you have the answers, give it a go,
10:35 AM on 07/10/2008
So, who or what created god? And why? Oh. Right. God just simply always existed. Amazing how logical that is.
04:33 PM on 07/09/2008
You REALLY had to stretch and strain your facts on this one to blame religious whites didn't you?
Did you forget La Raza claiming that the way they will take back the Southwest is the by using the "Marriage Bed and the Children of those marriages"? How about other groups who have stated that they want to BREED WHITES OUT so they can take over the world?
Aren't any of them racists? If they are, then why aren't you writing about La Raza and so forth?
Could it be because they aren't southern religious whites? HORROR, a religious white family wants KIDS!!!!
I believe your premis is wrong.
No matter what color, all people are instinctively drawn to having families.
Southern Bapitist are White, Black, Brown, and Yellow (did I miss a color, if so, I'm sorry).
Your think ONLY WHITE BAPTISTS are trying to populate this country is so far off base it is ridiculous.
I gotta admit though, sounded like you were REALLY rooting for those whiteys to just start spittin' out them younguns!

Yeeee-Hawwwww, lets keep those wimmin barefoot and pregnant you rednecked racists! BREED BREED (don't forget your mamma and sister too) so's we can whipe out them other colors!

I bet you that you have NEVER met a real Southerner of either gender, much less thier children.
You sadden me, to think that a writer could be so blatantly predjudiced against any American in thier hearts.
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cwcarman
08:49 PM on 07/09/2008
It is too bad that this Southerner continues the minority mentality exemplified by South's inability to deal with the loss of the Civil War. As for Christian fundamentalism, whether in the north or south, it is a greater threat to our country than Iran, Iraq, North Korea.........
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Marlyn
If I'm wrong, let me know.
04:19 PM on 07/09/2008
"We are barely replenishing ourselves" ???

What he means by "WE" is right wing religious nuts.
06:23 PM on 07/09/2008
That's a laugh. If we don't stop breeding like flies, the world is going to be so overpopulated there won't be enough food to feed us all.
01:40 AM on 07/10/2008
Many left wing religious nuts are of the same opinion
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Marlyn
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04:17 PM on 07/09/2008
"The truly Christian couple will allow God to decide"

= the definition of parents
11:52 PM on 07/09/2008
They why did god allow birth control to be created?
04:16 PM on 07/09/2008
Wow.
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Marlyn
If I'm wrong, let me know.
04:13 PM on 07/09/2008
"more children, a couple has, the better" ???

2000 years ago, that probably was true. But now, with the world's problems are being cause by ONE THING, too many people. This would just add to our problem.
11:54 PM on 07/09/2008
And yet it is still being taught by catholics and many christians!! No birth control here, boy!
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Marlyn
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04:12 PM on 07/09/2008
"based on Psalm 127: 3-5" ???

So are these people Christian or not? Christ's teachings are not in the Old Testament.
01:41 AM on 07/10/2008
They would not be in the old testament. Those teachings pre dated Christ. What would be your point?

The teachings of Christ are an eddendum to the old testament, they were not meant to replace it.
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Tulka2
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02:27 PM on 07/09/2008
You left out a surrvival consideration regarding my genetic code: Mr. Sun, old Sol, is no longer the friend of the lilly-white. My husband and i are both Scots-Irish. We had one son. He is the light of our life and we are delighted he married a South Sea Islander. We will be grandparents to our first grandson in August. In my bones i now know my genetic code will be traveling between the stars. The humans who surrvive will be brown people, not the mole people. Mix it up.

Highly recommend the work of Niall Ferguson. He has a three part DVD produced by BBC. His thesis is that most of the wars of the twentith century were race wars. People of all kinds happily lived under Empires, but when they were forced into Nation States, questions of "who we are" became dominate. Enough. Enuf. We are one people on the Earth. I cannot wait to hold my grandson.
03:00 PM on 07/09/2008
As a Scots-Irish mix neither of you are white. Both countries in the last thousand years have seen invader after invader land and intermarry. Your genetic code is already well mixed.

The Irish have a wonderful diversity among its people because of its anceient history and invasions. Space does not permit a list of races, but a genetic breakdown of DNA origination can be looked up online, it is fascinating to see where we all came from. You should look up yours.

The works of Ferguson lack historical credibility among many.
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Tulka2
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05:37 PM on 07/09/2008
Thanks for the tip. I know there is no "pure" anybody. I read history too. You can find someone to disagree with anyone. Strongly recommend "War of the World" BBC series by Niall Ferguson. Humans, if we survive this, may well look back on this last 100 years as the time of the race/culture wars. And...? Although we Scots Irish are a mixed lot, we most of us have skin that burns all too easily. Look at poor John McCain's poor sun-ravaged face.
01:56 PM on 07/09/2008
The Southern Baptist Convention is in decline because the USA is a society of consumers, not hunter, gatherers. The SBC's preachers & theology professor's are looking for fletchers & arrowsmiths. Technology has passed the SBC. The USA hasn't been a pastoral society where a substance farmer could feed the family by working as a hired man & luck in hunting since the 1920's. So the teachers of smithery [gun & black smithery] are useless too. A couple can't survive unless both of them work. That rules out large families. Southern Baptists have the choice of merging with northern & black Baptists or shrinking to a minority of transients seeking mere survival, not growth.
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01:53 PM on 07/09/2008
The author seems to be advocating a disillusionment of The worship and acknowledgement that Jesus is the Christ. The author offers interpretations that don't appear to be scripturally based although scripture is used and supported with theology. Remember in the Garden of Eden (Old Testament) Satan twists scripture just so that it sounded accurate and also in the temptation of Christ (New Testament).

Building a life, a doctrine, on a handful of scriptures will ultimately result in the destruction of faith simply because the bible, is a total revelation of faith and the working of God. If God acted in one way we would have one example of miracles, one example of teaching, a much shorter read and one with less possibility of error.

Does God call for "white only procreation?" No. God calls for us to love one another. Does this mean an orgy of sexual debauchery? No. The bible calls for morality. Does the bible say that we must (do anything). No. God always allows choice. Chose today whom you will serve. Chose today to live according to your personal beliefs. Have you found love with someone of another skin color? Chose today.

Stand confident on the word of God living and active in your own heart to make the decisions that need to be made for your life. There are many churches that want to rip the word from the heart of the believer enslaving them to a single place where only posion is being preached.
03:01 PM on 07/09/2008
Some good thoughts, thank you.
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Tulka2
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05:40 PM on 07/09/2008
The Spartans and the Jesuits knew it. Take any child before the age of seven and they will never get over what you pour into their poor little heads. It's child abuse, if you ask me.
01:30 PM on 07/09/2008
I don't allow religion to screw up my personal life, and, I sure as hell don't want it screwing with politics either!

Just say no to gods & gov'ts... they are always more problem then solution!
12:50 PM on 07/09/2008
Well, practically speaking, the US is unlikely to become a majority non-white nation. Many millions of Hispanics ARE white and after a generation or two will be no more differentiated from other white populations in the US than are Italian- or Greek-Americans, etc. They will be white - like Governor Bill Richardson, Keith Hernandez or Dara Torres. Acculturation and intermarriage changes how one identifies and how others see you. As for the balance of the Hispanic population, most of them are clearly part or all Indian. It is doubtful they will identify with US Native-Americans - but it would be fascinating if they did so. That would restore the ranks of Native-America, decimated by the expansion of Euro-culture on this continent. And then there is a minority of Hispanics who are black or part-so. They will eventually acculturate to African-America. So you see, whites need not worry! We do have to worry about the Southern Baptists though. If ever a religion was ungodly - this is it.