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What $25/Hr Wages Will Buy in Rural America

Posted: 03/ 1/2012 9:00 am

A while back, some people had some negative comments about articles a fellow team member wrote for the Huffington Post's Small Business Section about wages paid by some US outsourcing companies. They accused companies, such as Rural America OnShore Outsourcing, of paying their employees "peanuts" and "slave wages," in order to compete with offshore outsourcing firms. They implied - harshly - that our team members' salaries "couldn't possibly be enough to live on."

We realized these were likely just reactionary comments by people who did not actually live in a small, rural community - as most of the RAOO team members do - but we decided to put our claims to the test with something other than just personal stories. We know, for example, that in the town where our corporate headquarters resides, we can go out to the local supper club tonight and get a great steak with all the fixings for less than $20, around $15 for prime rib when it's the special of the night. That's at least half of what someone would pay in Chicago. Top it off with a pint of beer for about $2.50 (rather than $5 or $6 in Chicago) - that's a pretty cheap night on the town.

But, we wanted to back up these stories with a little research.

So I asked two of my Rural America colleagues, Julie Berglund and Karen Johnson, to share their results.

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To start with, we read Today.com's "We are the Median" series. This helped us put money into perspective, and it also told us that where you live can be just as important as how you live. So, we used the cost of living calculator at CNNMoney.com to plug in our location and salary, and discovered what we needed to earn to maintain the same standard of living in other areas of the US.
Thus, we began our journey into the 'national median household income' — approximately $50,000 (or $25/hr.) — and how it works for rural Americans.
Simply using three sample states in which we operate – Wisconsin, Ohio and Kentucky – we found that $25 per hour will go further in any area of those states than in a major urban area such as Los Angeles or Chicago.
Let's bring it down to a daily basis: What can you get with that $25 you earned in an hour – or $50,000 a year – in rural America?

 

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A while back, some people had some negative comments about articles a fellow team member wrote for the Huffington Post's Small Business Section about wages paid by some US outsourcing companies. They ...
A while back, some people had some negative comments about articles a fellow team member wrote for the Huffington Post's Small Business Section about wages paid by some US outsourcing companies. They ...
 
 
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jsgaetano
Legum servi sumus ut liberi esse possimus
03:45 PM on 03/05/2012
"Top it off with a pint of beer for about $2.50 (rather than $5 or $6 in Chicago)" Depends where you drink. There are PLENTY of places in Chicago where you can get a $2 beer (or less). This is all just a strawman to justify destroying US jobs. Conservatives are masters of fallacies.
12:48 PM on 03/05/2012
This reminds me of when I saw a Walmart moving into a community a few years back. Many people were criticizing the low wages they would bring, but when it came time to hire, the line stretched around the block. As I noted earlier (http://technologydimensions.blogspot.com/2012/02/china-or-bust.html), I'll fight to protect people's right to a safe work environment, but I have no problem people being paid whatever the market will bear.
09:33 AM on 03/05/2012
So completely true. I live in OK and make about $50,000 a year, and can afford to own a new car and start saving to buy a house. I can save for retirement, have good health insurance, and still have spending money. After living in CT for a few years, it's amazing how little the same salary would buy there- I'd be able to own a car, but not a nice one, and be paying far more for gas that I'd use far more of due to constant city driving. Houses are insanely expensive, and owning one is very hard, especially with fair credit. Cost of living varies so much in different parts of the country.

The only real problem: how many jobs are there, in affordable areas, that pay that well? In exchange for good money and an affordable place to live, I'm often far away from friends and family, working very long hours, and with few of the conveniences of modern life. My job is really only accessible because I'm not especially tied to one particular place. We don't really have these kinds of jobs for more anchored people, and it's difficult to find a good job that pays well combined with making enough money to be able to afford to live near your job.
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jsgaetano
Legum servi sumus ut liberi esse possimus
04:02 PM on 03/05/2012
> I'd be able to own a car, but not a nice one,

Car prices are pretty uniform all over. Plus, there's a larger population base to draw from as far as used cars go.

> and be paying far more for gas that I'd use far more of due to constant city driving.

First off, gas prices aren't THAT different in different areas. Second, population density means both less driving (since everything isn't scattered), as well as public transportation. Even better, in major cities you don't even need to own a car, meaning you can save thousands of dollars a year.

> Houses are insanely expensive,

Then rent. There are TONS of stories of people who moved to rural areas for jobs, bought houses, then lost all their money when they lost their jobs and couldn't sell the home to move to a region with actual jobs.

Plus, worst of all, you're living somewhere that thinks going to WalMart is culture.
08:59 AM on 03/05/2012
This argument proceeds from the fallacy that the MEDIAN average wage--the midway point between lowest and highest wages--accurately represents the income of most workers. What really applies here is the MODAL average wage, the amount that _most_ workers make. It's highly unlikely that number is $25/hour. Further, nowhere does the author indicate what that modal number is for his company. This piece is no more than an exercise in glittering generalities. It makes no case that employees of Rural America Onshore Outsourcing make the amount used to compare cost of living in the various cities.
02:59 PM on 03/05/2012
a different modal wage would skew the Median wage because there would be more people making that amount.
07:51 PM on 03/21/2012
Ummm. No. The median is the midpoint between the high and the low. Doesn't matter how many make what. The mode is the most commonly occurring wage. A different modal wage would skew the mean, but not the median.
Buckarette: Thank you for pointing out the fallacy. More important than wages is to question what people are DOING, and whether what they are doing is needed sometime in the future after they do it. How much they get paid should reflect whether or not they are valuable to the future, not how valuable they are to the money system.
08:56 AM on 03/05/2012
I am from eastern Iowa, if I had the chance to make 25/hour and live there I would jump at it. The median house prices where I grew up right now is 70,000. On top of property taxes being in the 2500-3000 range per year it is a steal. Cheaper gas than here in Chicago, less taxes overall. 25/hr in eastern iowa will raise a family by itself.
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skyshoes
06:01 AM on 03/05/2012
I live in a nice beach town in the south. A friend applied for a job with a major corporation on the West Coast. He made a quick calculation after checking prices of homes and insane cost of living levels coupled with the thought of buying a home in an area nearer to the desert than the ocean, topped off with commuting an hour or so each day... He figured it was a loser.

I check on tech jobs all the time, where are they most prevalent? New York city. Check the cost of living there.

A few years back my company manufactured clothing, the company was in rural Ohio. The farmers wives would get up at 4:00 Am, get their farmers and families fed and on their way. The ladies would then go to the (huge) facilities and sew till noon, and be home in time for lunch. Everybody seemed to be just fine.

I am sure the owners were tempted to have the process done offshore but this company had been making clothes at this facility since they made uniforms for the Union troops in the 1860s.

The twenty first century is the century of economics. China knows it, India knows it, Brazil knows it and they are growing their economies. We (in the west) are still on the spend and send pillage economy of the twentieth century. Costly empire building, wars, jets, carriers and standing armies.. while sending our cash overseas.
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Rob Huggins
05:56 PM on 03/04/2012
I'm currently living in a tiny mid-western town, and I do have to say its about half the price of Kansas City where I lived before with actually a much better quality of life in my opinion. I get paid the same rate as the job offers I'm still getting from KC. You don't have to get paid less in a rural town if you work with technology.

If they are skilled in modern programming technologies and taking that low of a wage, I know they are selling themselves short even for a first job out of college. I've been hearing for at least 3-4 years now a huge desire to end all outsourcing. The hold up hasn't been wages, because all outsourced programming comes back to American programmers to avoid the huge quality issues. It costs more money even paying them less. There aren't enough American programmers though. and companies are willing to find them wherever they are for at minimum $30/hour straight out of college. So even though cost of living is down, if the job is non-location dependant, and you are paying much less than in the city, you are still ripping off the worker who could make much more. You are setting up the companies that use you to have a revolving door of inexperienced employees who leave the second they learn they are under paid.
George Picard
Send lawyers, guns and money
05:20 PM on 03/04/2012
What you get paid is what you are worth to the empolyer, if you think you are worth more ask for more.
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Andrew Cole
04:46 PM on 03/04/2012
Most jobs in this country, and especially in rural areas don't pay close to $25 an hour. I grew up in Kansas and now live in NYC. Even union corrections officers (I used to be one) make less than that. Short of a upper management job, or perhaps working lots of overtime, there just aren't $25/hour jobs in rural America.

This article falls flat because people know it isn't true. Even if it is true of this one company, it isn't true of most people and most jobs. The reality for most of those people is minimum wage or a few dollars higher. Breaking twelve bucks an hour is a big deal. Twenty five is pie in the sky.
06:09 PM on 03/04/2012
IT pays more. Upon completion of training, our lowest customer service representative wage is $14. A main reason why small rural towns want IT onshoring companies.
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Rob Huggins
06:24 PM on 03/04/2012
I made more than $25/hour straight out of college and I live in a rural town. I program in .Net. It all depends on what a person does. Russians and Indians can get paid $30/hour if they have the slightest bit of skill, and they are the lowest end of the pay scale. If you are getting paid less than the outsourced work to compete, you are getting ripped off, you might as well sell yourself on odesk. I cant speak for other industries though. If you are the lowest level of management in this industry, you should be pretty close to 6 figures no matter where you live. So the key question for this article is what do their employees do.
04:18 PM on 03/03/2012
Why is a CEO of the company in question writing a blog post defending it on a national news site? Talk about conflict of interest. How about finding a journalist to investigate the claims, and leave the corporate releases to their own blogs?
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samuraifrog37
Chicago Uptown
09:12 AM on 03/04/2012
National news site? That's a good one...can I use it?
06:04 PM on 03/04/2012
Ummmm, because maybe I write articles for the HPost from a rural USA and entrepreneurial perspective?? :)
07:24 PM on 03/02/2012
So, are your executives paid a "rural America" wage? Or are their salaries more on par with their big city counter-parts? Are the employees enjoying the financial benefit of lower building costs in these rural areas, or are those benefits being pocketed by the executives alone? This sounds a lot like a hey, look how good they've got it, statement.
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mairs
01:17 PM on 03/02/2012
That's "national median household income", not per person.
07:53 AM on 03/02/2012
Where are these $25 per hour jobs? Not in the US. My son lives in Jeffersonville, Indiana and he is lucky to get $11 an hour in computer tech work. You get him a $25 per hour job within 25miles of Jeffersonville and I will give you a $500 finders fee !
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PenguinLinux
got root ?
03:42 PM on 03/02/2012
I make more than that an hour, I work 40 hours a week, and I'm in the USA, but not Indiana.
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drumz
The less you know the more you believe.
01:11 PM on 03/03/2012
Consider yourself lucky, your is not the norm.
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PenguinLinux
got root ?
03:51 PM on 03/02/2012
I make more than that working a regular 40 hours FT job in the USA, but I'm not in Indiana - and yes, the USA is my native country.
03:02 AM on 03/02/2012
And this is why Omaha is becoming a technology boom city - medium wages bring a fantastic standard of living in this town. With a non-trivial business presence things will continue to grow here! Right now, Omaha is home to offices of Berkshire Hathaway, PayPal, Oriental Trading Co, Google, Yahoo, SUN, ConAgra, FirstData, LinkedIn, Gallup, TD Ameritrade, Union Pacific, Mutual of Omaha, infoGroup, Werner, Kiewit, West Corp, and more!
08:29 PM on 03/01/2012
My real estate agent calls it "location, location, location".