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hipocampelofantocame
retired pediatrician
09:09 PM on 11/02/2011
Most of our elected Representatives and Senators are too busy with selfish self-interest,
aggressive politics, and re-election to worry about poor people. They don't seem to realize
that the world's population is 7 billion, and that means a lot more starving and poor people.
Even unwanted fetuses must be delivered and viable, though they will suffer poor lives.
Who cares? What's on TV?
09:08 PM on 11/02/2011
Wonderful article, but where are the other GOP members, candidates, or leaders joining in for the 99%.
Our country is great because of the 99%, not because of the 1%.
I don't see any GOP member, I don't see any GOP funded "tea party" candidate, I don't see any Corporate CEO standing up for the 99% of Americans.
I don't hear any Corporate "person" crying about what has happened to America by the end of the Bush years or crying because it is so hard for the 99% of Americans hit by the economic crash.
Funny how the GOP and the Corporations cried to be bailed out but they daily disparage the 99%.
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stevestrange
Knowledge..Wisdom..Understanding.
09:02 PM on 11/02/2011
Oh for God's sake...It's time for the GOP to take "notice" of alot of things,...Poverty, womens reproductive rights, the concept of compromise, fair elections they don't try to corrupt, their hostility towards minorities, etc.....Mr. Frum,..You're party has a long way to go.
09:03 PM on 11/02/2011
From ex-Aussie PM:

Mr Keating also weighed in on the anti-corporate-greed Occupy Wall Street movement, which has spawned spin-offs around the world but been accused of lacking clear goals.

He said his only surprise was that such protests in the United States did not appear earlier, for example at the height of the global financial crisis in 2008.

“In the United States between 1990 and today, real wages have not increased, whereas in Australia real wages have increased by 36 per cent,” he said.

“If you were in the Democratic party in America you would hang your head in shame [at the lack of progress].”

http://www.theage.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/keatings-mace-spray-at-qa-20111103-1mwk9.html
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MissTake1989
Equal means equal, hypocrites.
08:58 PM on 11/02/2011
Wouldn't that be a lot like an abuser noticing your black eye?
ByAndForThePeople
and corporations aren't people!
09:54 PM on 11/02/2011
I love the analogy (and the snark). For that, you get a new fan!
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arglebargle
10:12 PM on 11/02/2011
And asking, disingenuously, "Why, how did that happen?"
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MissTake1989
Equal means equal, hypocrites.
05:30 AM on 11/03/2011
Thank you.

I have a gift for analogies, but that was one of my favorites. Fits like a glove.

Thankfully, David Frum is completely confused on what a Republican is, so his assist was priceless.
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Rantibus
Cogito, Ergo Rant
08:58 PM on 11/02/2011
The idea that the poor will always be with us is just so much pious fatalism for keeping the current status quo. There is, to be sure, a vast difference between what is considered poor in America and poverty in other countries. However, I don't hold the US to the same standard as, say, Somalia or Bangladesh. That being said, there is a difference between poverty caused by war, environmental degradation, etc, than poverty sustained by legislation or indifference.
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Mister E
09:38 PM on 11/02/2011
Thank you!!
08:38 PM on 11/02/2011
David, you are WAY late to this issue. Your party has consistently been opposed to the following (among other) programs or policies intended to deal with poverty:

Public schools, Head Start, food stamps, Childrens' Health Insurance Program, extended unemployment benefits, SSI, universal healthcare, and Social Security.

You can't claim that this issue is important to you while continuing to vote Republican.
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Richard Genco
08:56 PM on 11/02/2011
Did you forget about aids? Oh, thats right, the Bush adm. spent the most of any adm. on aids. Thats why it is not mentioned by you.
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J T K
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
08:36 PM on 11/02/2011
Give us an anti poverty program that you can tell us is going to make the government more money than it costs within a generation or even two and we'll listen. Until you have a program that works and isn't just another taxpayer handout welfare program nobody except extreme liberals will support this.
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Heartlight3
Every act is an act of self-definition.
09:16 PM on 11/02/2011
You want to make profit on an anti-poverty program?
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J T K
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
10:09 PM on 11/02/2011
Not necessarily make money but I would like there to be a plan for it to break even so the taxpayers make their money back through increased tax revenue from more employees working. I don't think asking for a solid breakdown of how much money the government will actually get back from the money that they hand out for this type of program.
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Winkandanod
PBO 332, WMR 206 Deal with it.
08:33 PM on 11/02/2011
Frum, unlike fellow regressives, acknowledges reality and recognizes the cruelty and imorallity of the Republicaens attitude toward the poor.

But then, he offers tired and factually inaccurate rationalizations for the causes of the problem. I love how he mentions the rise in substantive outcomes for the poor during the 1990's and the drop off in the 2000's without acknowledging that Clinton and his policies created a period of prosperity while Bush and his polices created total disaster.
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inthedesert
Those who never question will fall for anything.
08:33 PM on 11/02/2011
Hey David...be sure to CC this to the Dems.........................LMAO.
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lizt
08:45 PM on 11/02/2011
Not anything we didn't already know.
08:33 PM on 11/02/2011
I thought if we were poor, it was our own fault.

I appreciate your efforts, Mr. Frum, but I doubt the GOP will be coming here for ideas.
I also doubt this sensible discussion would gain much traction with the bloodthirsty mob at the Republican debates.

One comment about your mild snark 'such as trying to enrich the poor by weakening credit standards so that they can speculate on real estate': I doubt the poor were 'speculating' in real estate - they were trying to own a first home. The middle-class and the wealthy were the ones 'speculating' - buying up multiple homes with little concern, driving up housing prices in certain markets to where only sub-prime loans were available, even for starter homes.

And when you comment that it was 'not a good idea, as it turns out' - I would point the finger at the real speculators: the banks. Had they been required to keep the subprimes on their books, we would not have had these problems. We would not have had fraudulent appraisals, and market makers would not have encouraged the tranching of these investments. That was where the real speculation was, that was where the real bad ideas were coming from, and that was the area that caused a serious problem - as opposed to some entirely manageable foreclosures in poor neighborhoods.

Otherwise, glad to see you re-join the thinking community.
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hipocampelofantocame
retired pediatrician
09:15 PM on 11/02/2011
Subtext: Very insightful comment. Fanned, faved, and badged.
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Soulsurfer
Solar Electrician,Longtime Surfin'Fool
09:17 PM on 11/02/2011
Well said.
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lizt
08:29 PM on 11/02/2011
Republicans have never cared about the poor. They just don't bother to hide it anymore.
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abscs2000
12:08 PM on 11/03/2011
Hide it? They're proud of the fact. It's become a badge of honor!!!!
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08:02 PM on 11/02/2011
SHhhh don't tell the GOP about the poor. They will want to raise their taxes so the rich can get even more and bigger and better tax cuts.............. oops, too late.
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Paul Houston
British and a London resident
08:02 PM on 11/02/2011
It seems to me that the GOP is going through the same phase as the Labour Party went through in the 1980's. In the 80's the Labour Party wrapped it in the concerns of of a small cabal (In the UK it was the Militant Tendency, a small Trotskyist group) who were working on an entryist basis, (Getting into an established political group and taking it over from the inside as if they were to try and stand on there own feet they would be demolished at the polls) in the US the GOP has been taken over by a clique called the "Tea-baggers"
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eyecon
Retired CEO & Quality-Mgmt Consultant
08:50 PM on 11/02/2011
The difference is that the UK has had relatively secular factions. The Tea Party is just an extension of the Christian right; the would-be theocrats who gained purchase during the Reagan era. Religious extremists are, by definition, unreasonable. They will not compromise nor will they negotiate and that accurately depicts today's Republican Party.
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Lloyd Wilson
07:58 PM on 11/02/2011
Thanks for the valuable lesson., Good night John Boy....... Good night Jim Bob..................