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12:06 PM on 11/14/2011
Wonderful article.
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TomTheSeal
Represent our wishes; best interests are arguable
12:03 PM on 11/14/2011
Not far at all from Berkley and their brutal and "intelligent" policemen we have Oakland's smart police:

"Police in Oakland, CA spent two hours attempting to subdue a gunman who had barricaded himself inside his home. After firing ten tear gas canisters, officers discovered that the man was standing beside them in the police line, shouting,'Please come out and give yourself up.' "
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bbrown37
Wherever you go, there you are
01:16 PM on 11/14/2011
OMG Seriously? Oakland is a Bugs Bunny cartoon?
11:58 AM on 11/14/2011
GOOD MORNING!!! MY FELLOW HOMO SAPIENS WHICH MEANS THE SPECIES WHO IS WISE.
All those involved in the marches, demostrations and protests during the 50's and 60's for civil, womens and gay rights and against the Vietnam war were aware of the efforts of those in power to prevent or restrict their Constitutional rights to demonstrate, march and protest.
It was the young people in the 50's and 60's and their dedication and brave couragous fights for truth and justice and against the warmongers that made possible the enlightened reforms and changes that occurred in our society.
Today the American people once again are taking to the streets, parks and open spaces because they realize they no longer have any say in their government because it has become an Oligarchy owned and operated by the Robber Barons and their Stooges and this time these demonstrators include all ages from every walk of life and profession who realize the only way to express their beliefs, hopes, needs and desires is through active participation in the 99% Occupy Movement.
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Lou Paezovitch
11:50 AM on 11/14/2011
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.
John F. Kennedy
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Austintatious
11:42 AM on 11/14/2011
The police mnisconduct we're wtinessing around the nation may be directly attirunted to the governing bodies of the governmental entities they represent, the city councils, the county commissioners' courts, the state governments. It is they who are authorizing and sanctioning these police riots. It is they who should be held accountable.
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11:34 AM on 11/14/2011
"I can hire one-half of the working class to kill the other half."

The message board comment near the end isn't new or original. Your source borrowed it from Robber Baron Jay Gould, who said it when he hired strikebreakers to crush the Great Southwest Railroad Strike of 1886.
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OBroadhurst
My politics do not meet guidelines.
11:24 AM on 11/14/2011
Hal Draper must be spinning in his grave.
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Just-a-Guy
'cuz youd rather talk to someone you disagree with
11:24 AM on 11/14/2011
If I may ask (again): What would satisfy those who are out participating in the Occupy movements?

From my perspective, nothing will satisfy them.

Am I wrong? If so...what would it take for them to pack it in and go home? Wealth redistribution? Absolving student loans? Prosecuting high-level bankers?

What's it going to take?
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J9Good
12:39 PM on 11/14/2011
Unless I'm misreading your comment, it sounds like you're implying that the protesters have been given so much already, yet they are STILL not satisfied. But they haven't been given anything (yet). Your three suggestions sound like a good start to me, especially #3.
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Just-a-Guy
'cuz youd rather talk to someone you disagree with
12:44 PM on 11/14/2011
I didn't imply that they have been given anything yet.

I'm wondering what they want to see happen in order for them to stop occupying.
01:58 PM on 11/14/2011
While I support the theory of the movement, there is no clear reasoning behind it. It seems to me, the message is not being received, because the message is not being conveyed sufficiently.

The Occupy movements have none. Its protesting for the sake of protesting it seems. If there are demands, then they need to be conveyed. But with the people that are 'non-leaders' I've seen interviewed, no one is willing/wants someone to rise up and lead the movement. Protesting by committee does not work, sorry. You need a Chavez, a Dr. Martin Luther King, a Ghandi to lead the masses, otherwise its anarchy.

My recommendations would be demand the following from the US government:
Tighter restrictions on Corporations in general.
Prosecuting executives who fail their public shareholders for their own profit.
Make it illegal to short sell (This is why Wall Street cripples Mom and Pop).
Increase the Federal Minimum Wage out of the poverty level.
Make it illegal for any employer to 'not' use the minimum wage (wage for tip swaps comes to mind).
Eliminate lobbying in the USA and prosecute any and all politicians that receive money outside of individual donors (which is capped at a fixed amount).

Someone needs to grow some balls at the Occupy HQ and take lead, then make the demands that the country wants, to the politicians that aren't doing their jobs for the people they represent. Until that happens, the Occupy movement is an atrocity of civil idiocy, IMHO.
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jimboy71
Hen Diapheron Heautoi
12:43 PM on 11/14/2011
That is because your persepective is involved in a fantasy in which you believe that the status quo works and that you are part of the elite.
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Just-a-Guy
'cuz youd rather talk to someone you disagree with
01:42 PM on 11/14/2011
That wasn't what I asked... but I appreciate it
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Pamwings
www.celebrityartybypam.com
11:21 AM on 11/14/2011
It's heartbreaking. And the sparcity of media coverage is not surprising. But video has a way of talking, as it did in the Rodney King case, and now with the internet, the silent media can be swiftly bipassed.
HardKnocksBlues
We CAN handle the truth
01:28 PM on 11/14/2011
Gil Scott-Heron was quite prophetic. The revolution will not be televised. Certainly not by the corporate media.
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satanlite
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11:06 AM on 11/14/2011
Well put and chillingly accurate. The country has divided to the point where one side will be willing, for pay, to attack and destroy the other side. And they'll say they were "just following orders".
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TomTheSeal
Represent our wishes; best interests are arguable
11:06 AM on 11/14/2011
Our country has been broken by the greedy 1%'ers & cant be fixed. 50 State Secession ! Freedom !
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drkazmd65
Mom Taught me - Question Everything - Thanks Mom!
11:03 AM on 11/14/2011
"When I see a policeman with a club beating a man on the ground, I don't have to ask whose side I'm on."

I don't have to ask either. Force is on occasion merited by law enforcement in the course of doing their job. If a person presents direct danger to the officer, themselves, or to bystanders, or if a person is actively resisting arrest with physical action - then the use of force is justified.

Once a man or woman is down on the ground, unable to defend themselves, and not presenting any danger to others or themselves - the Police have achieved their (legal) goal.

Any additional use of force should be, or at least could be considered itself a crime. These officers should be held accountable for their actions and removed from duty.
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homer winslow
Truth in Beauty, Beauty in Truth
11:21 AM on 11/14/2011
Force is never, repeat never justified against an unarmed and peaceful protest. The police in Oakland, Berkeley, Denver and all the other cities who have attacked the protestors based on the lie that they are breaking the law by peacefully assembling are thugs. They should be prosecuted for assault and battery and removed from their jobs.
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drkazmd65
Mom Taught me - Question Everything - Thanks Mom!
11:37 AM on 11/14/2011
I am in complete agreement with you homer - and hitting unarmed students with riot batons is the action of thugs, working for criminals.
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faith
11:46 AM on 11/14/2011
Perfectly stated, drkazmd65. Fanned for it.
I might go a step further though and add, hitting and tazering unarmed protesters is appalling and the world saw it. Americans saw it. And I suspect the families of the police saw it. It was wrong.
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rtgmath
There has got to be a better way!
10:56 AM on 11/14/2011
The students have additional reasons to distrust the school's authority structures. And police on campus and off will be viewed as their enemies. The unprovoked attacks and brutal beatings over peaceful protest are reinforcing the understanding that the 1% is making war on the 99%.

And in a war, people being oppressed start to fight back.

Right now, the protests have been peaceful -- on the side of the protesters. The Violence has come from authorities and the police. The authorities have ordered that the civil, political, and constitutional rights of the protesters be violated. The authorities are demanding blind acquiescence to the rules the 1% have imposed.

Perhaps the 1% and the police need to feel the same kind of wrath on them that is being dealt out to the OCW movement's protesters. Turn about is fair play, after all. And oh, boy, it has been a long time since anyone has played fairly with the 99%.
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TheIndependenceParty
Cranky yankee and a rehabilitated ex-Republican
10:47 AM on 11/14/2011
The anonymity of riot gear contributes to these unprovoked attacks by officers. If their badge numbers were emblazened across their backs and helmets they would think twice before committing such crimes in the open view of cameras.
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bjbold
Thank an Occupier
11:12 AM on 11/14/2011
Exactly!
F & F
11:18 AM on 11/14/2011
I'm pretty sure that's the purpose of the scarves the scofflaws wear hiding their faces, as well.
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TheIndependenceParty
Cranky yankee and a rehabilitated ex-Republican
11:36 AM on 11/14/2011
The Berkley crowd had no scarves on their faces, and the cops are on duty working for the city. No scofflaws in sight!
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satanlite
Liberal blogger
11:37 AM on 11/14/2011
They aren't police officers. Your defending the ability of police officers to act anonymously and not be subject to personal responsibility for their actions. How rightwing of you.
10:13 AM on 11/14/2011
Charlie Chaplin says it best http://youtu.be/WibmcsEGLKo
HardKnocksBlues
We CAN handle the truth
01:39 PM on 11/14/2011
Thank you for the link.