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Logicnotfaith
Ret. Lt Col. USAF, now college prof in Austin TX
09:12 AM on 11/16/2011
What a ridiculous argument from the libprogressives - you do NOT have to be a US citizen to get a student ID.

To get a CCP in Texas you need:

- Social security number,
- Valid driver license or identification card,
- Current demographic, address, contact, and employment information,
- Residential and employment information for the last five years (new users only),
- Information regarding any psychiatric, drug, alcohol, or criminal history (new users only),
brownfrown
Political Fundip
09:18 AM on 11/16/2011
I think you just need a green card for the gun permit.
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kcwookie
If I had a son, he'd look like me...
09:54 AM on 11/16/2011
Nice one, you forgot this one.

Out-of-state residents need to provide a color copy, front and back, of your state issued identification or driver license.

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administration/crime_records/chl/chlfaqs.htm
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JoeTheProgrammer
I love dogs.
09:11 AM on 11/16/2011
Much ado about nothing. Student ID's are not a reliable means of determining where you live or what your citizenship is. Period.
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surlyatbest
Not so surly
09:57 AM on 11/16/2011
That's why the Dems want it so bad.
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BigWillyG
10:38 AM on 11/16/2011
Exactly, most I've ever seen are nothing more then a High School pic, your name and a barcode. Not even a DOB on there, let alone address or citizenship.
brownfrown
Political Fundip
09:08 AM on 11/16/2011
Do you have to be a citizen to have a gun/gun permit?
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Dana Ace
Achieving peace through superior firepower
09:54 AM on 11/16/2011
You need to be a citizen but you can get a non texas resident permit according to the TxDPS. You also need to provide Drivers license, SSI Card, and 4 notorized forms saying you are not ill, addicted, or angry...or something to that affect.
10:26 AM on 11/16/2011
It appears the only requirements are

Extreme paranoia
A childish roy rogers mentality
Pseudo machismo syndrome
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prodemlib
Nanny, nanny, boo, boo! :-P
09:06 AM on 11/16/2011
I think the Texas voting law is COWARDLY!
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09:16 AM on 11/16/2011
Why?
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Dana Ace
Achieving peace through superior firepower
09:55 AM on 11/16/2011
Yes...WHY?. In Louisiana you have to show ID and no one screams about it.
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Gperky
Born with a Plan
10:05 AM on 11/16/2011
They don't know, they just h8 everyone on the right.
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JonnyLogic
evolve, or buh-bye
09:04 AM on 11/16/2011
Its simple, remove the educated youth and minority votes (democrats) and youre left with uneducated white gun owning people who love to play with tea sets and hate Obama.
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Dana Ace
Achieving peace through superior firepower
09:59 AM on 11/16/2011
Or the youth and minority can get a free ID.....woe is me....it's the oppression inherent in the system.
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JonnyLogic
evolve, or buh-bye
12:31 PM on 11/16/2011
whatthe? Did you even read the article? We can talk about the unfairness in the system once you at least know WHAT we're talking about. So just read it. Trust me, it wont hurt, the word "gun"is even in there somewhere.
09:04 AM on 11/16/2011
Does anyone know if the chinese on the picture is correct? I'm curious. I know from my experience with Japanese that most of those multilingual signs are google translated and therefore dreadfully incorrect.
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tanstaafl
09:04 AM on 11/16/2011
When I went to college there were lots of students from outside the US that had student IDs. A student ID doesn't prove residency, or even citizenship.
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maninla
www.kitchensinkradio.podomatic.com
09:19 AM on 11/16/2011
And a student ID sure isn't proof that voter fraud is about to occur. A student ID can be faked but not a gun permit?
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09:48 AM on 11/16/2011
Gun permits just like near any form of ID are available over the internet from Chinese websites and received via the USPS. Most cost only a few dollars more than the real thing and look and feel like the real thing, including the latest 3D or holographic features. Big problem for bars trying to check for underage patrons.
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Gperky
Born with a Plan
10:07 AM on 11/16/2011
Most or all of the people on this post that are spouting h8 toward Texas and the right, have never been to college, so you need to excuse them for their ig.nor.ance.
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08:58 AM on 11/16/2011
Student ID cards don't work for voter identification because they are not state-ssued and typically do not show resident addresses. Since U.S. universities issue student IDs to noncitizens as well as citizens, they are not even proof of citizenship, much less residency. Under the new law, Texas would issue free voter identification cards to people with no photo IDs. Students with no driver's liscenses can obtain one by showing the voter registar office (county clerk) the same type of identification that show to college registar offices to obtain student identification cards. People who have no photo IDs should welcome the voter identification cards. They give people an easily obtained state-issued photo ID card that can be used for transactions other than voting, such as cashing checks.
09:35 AM on 11/16/2011
I understand why it makes sense not to accept Student IDs. I also understaand why concealed carry permits are acceptable.

I don't really get why the rule has to change now...

Makes me wonder if this rule is meant to keep foreign students from illegaly voting (why?) or if it really is meant to oppress young voters.

I say "why" because I don't see this being a huge problem in need of a law change.
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09:51 AM on 11/16/2011
yea, free cards, but will the issuing office mention they are free or forget to such as is happening in WI.
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SMBrown2
08:57 AM on 11/16/2011
Duh. If you are going to use an ID it has to show the required information. And besides, you don't have to be a citizen to get a university ID. What good does it do in stopping illegal voting if people who aren't allowed to vote can get the ID? You libs are being ridiculous.

And no, voter ID does not suppress the vote. Indiana has the first voter ID law which survived SCOTUS scrutiny, and in the election after it went into effect the number of voter INCREASED from the previous one. I am writing a law review article on this topic and can cite a LOT of sources for anything you want to talk about on this subject.

R's and D's always think the worst about their opponents on this subject. The R's truly believe that the only reason D's oppose voter ID is because they want to cheat, and D's truly believe that the only reason R's want it is to suppress the vote. In reality, both sides are acting in good faith but just disagree.

Many local elections are settled with very narrow margins, and illegal voting can have a dispositive impact on them.
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Brian Novotny
What happened to Democracy?
10:46 AM on 11/16/2011
Sure thing tool, fall for that voting fraud scam which is nothing but a huge LIE to undermine the constitutional right to vote for millions of people, and you call yourself a patriot, that is a joke. I can cite a lot of sources about this as well that can prove you are a liar and that voting id is nothing more than a gerrymandering attempt to steal the next election and gain more control for the fas*cist right&wingers. paranoid schizophrenia doesn't give you or anyone else the right to trash millions of peoples voting rights, just like the guy with no insurance, let them die, right - well right back at ya
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SMBrown2
11:25 AM on 11/16/2011
My friend I think it is time to start taking your medication again.
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bdcelina777
Family in America since 1662, before the GOP/TP
08:55 AM on 11/16/2011
Pretty soon the GOP/TP will only want landowners to have the right to vote (again). If the GOP/TP spent as much time on the jobs issue as they do on the voting issue they might be considered as least in part credible.
08:51 AM on 11/16/2011
A concealed-carry permit requires a background check, fingerprinting, identifiable address, waiting period, and positive identification. If anything it is more intrusive and demanding, restrictive, and discriminatory (against felons and the like). A student ID is farily easy to acquire with no proof of anything.
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behavingbadly
lovingly crafted artisanal comments
08:48 AM on 11/16/2011
An interesting study in conservative values. Texas ignores (and likely even exacerbates) a very big problem, one that attacks core American values: voter disenfranchisement—and focuses on one that barely exists at all: voter fraud.
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SMBrown2
08:58 AM on 11/16/2011
Voter fraud = voter disenfranchisement because it cancels your legal vote.
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behavingbadly
lovingly crafted artisanal comments
09:06 AM on 11/16/2011
... in the same way that flying zebras = voter disenfranc­hisement.
08:47 AM on 11/16/2011
Is my state also going to be providing people with free ID cards? Or now you are forced to pay the state for an ID card in order to vote? Some people have no means of getting to the DMV to get their ID or are not able to afford it.
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intolleft
ObamaTAX...getting you shovel ready
08:54 AM on 11/16/2011
Why should you not have to pay for it? I had to pay for a permit to carry a firearm. Not to mention what seemed like a body cavity search barrage of questions. But hey, on Constitutional Right is more important than the other.
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SMBrown2
08:58 AM on 11/16/2011
Most states with voter ID laws (don't know what state you live in) have a provision for getting a free ID.
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Arashi
comfort the afflicted; afflict the comfortable
08:47 AM on 11/16/2011
Conservatives? Mean spirited? Heaven forefend!
(Un-American perhaps, but not mean.)
08:42 AM on 11/16/2011
By any means necessary. Lets change the rules so Republican's can win. This is really over the top and they want the students and seniors and others to swallow this without comment because they know what's best.