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Kye154
09:48 PM on 12/14/2011
Kinda criminal, the states will do everything to keep gambling going, but won't help their own citizens, whether it be Medicaid, Unemployment benefits, consumer protection, keeping schools funded and not laying off teachers, family services, etc.,. Seems like the states hate their citizens, but like to sucker them to the gambling table for money, then raise taxes on them too.

State governments should have been abolished years ago. They are an arcane idea held over from colonial days. They are essentially ineffectual, and the federal government's #1 welfare recipients. They also tax you a percentage of your federal taxes for the very same services too, if you live in a state which you file state income taxes. Why in the world do we need 50 secondary governments and a federal government too. Do you enjoy paying taxes to both? Many states, like Missouri cited here, are about as corrupt as any government can be. States are useless, so have a constitutional convention and put them out of existence.
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J T K
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
04:46 AM on 12/15/2011
The theory is that a state government can deal with more local issues more effectively than a federal government that's based across the country from your state. In practice it doesn't really work like that.
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authorized-user
Made in the USA
09:28 PM on 12/14/2011
You'd think some of these states would learn after gambling and losing their pension funds to the junk mortgage scams.
How much more money can be extracted from the unemployed humanoids by new casinos?

Who else can your governors blame besides public employees, unions, and collective bargaining for the poor financial shape of their economy?

Can they pawn your schools, safety & security, healthcare, highways, future earnings, mineral rights, your personal information?

Too late they've done that already too.

Odds are they will have to find a new scapegoat (you) when these new casinos go bust in a few years. Get in there and gamble.
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J T K
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
04:49 AM on 12/15/2011
Your logic is flawed. Schools, safety, security, highways, mineral rights have to be protected and funded by the government. Also most states have laws protecting your private information that they hold. The difference with casinos is that it's the casino not the state taking the money (although the state gets a cut) and people willingly give the casino money and take part in gambling, which isn't true with the other examples you gave.
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authorized-user
Made in the USA
08:56 AM on 12/15/2011
I disagree.
How many cities have dropped their police and moved onto "volunteer" regional safety coverage? Charter schools & for profit colleges,,,,, please.
Mineral rights go to the high bidders, ask the fracking victims. Your state will sell all of your info to any marketer that pays. Your cell phone call records is also for sale. What privacy laws???
Highways & bridges, LOL!
Casinos for the states are the same as giving crack to a junkie.
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roger g
When will we value people over money?
08:36 PM on 12/14/2011
Except for the immediate area a casino sits--Casinos don't create anything but misery---The person who used to go to a restaurant twice a week,used to go shopping at small stores and malls,took his car to be serviced or washed,went to the movies, cuts out those things after losing their money and maxing out their credit and the businesses suffer and lay off employees----Taxpayers pay the cost of those who embezzle millions to feed their slot habit.Marriages break up and children suffer,all for a game that's rigged against you---At the least,there should be a federal law that bans check cashing and atm machines in casinos--they cause the real problem for the people who lose the money they intended and while their mind is in a fragile state,they lose the added money they never intended to.
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J T K
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
04:51 AM on 12/15/2011
So the rest of us should have to deal with it because some people are irresponsible with gambling or in the case of gambling addiction are sick? The fact that some people are susceptible to become addicted to gambling or abuse gambling isn't reason to entirely get rid of it for those of us who are responsible and enjoy it in healthy moderation.
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roger g
When will we value people over money?
03:36 PM on 12/15/2011
I have been gambling for 45 years non stop--I didn't say stop gambling---I only pointed out the problems---fact is you get a fair shake if you bet craps,blackjack ,baccaret but the slots are a different story--they are fun but they are addicting to some--I just feel that eliminating the atms and check cashing would go a long way in eliminating the problems that are caused by people thinking irrationally when gambling and would not hurt anyone----I won $488,000 and made the newspaper once in Laughlin --won 29 days in a row playing a dice game-
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ZeraLee
A Citizen's View from Main Street
08:27 PM on 12/14/2011
Come to think of it, Chris Christie wanted to beat this horse more than a year ago...with taxpayer money.
http://zerablog.wordpress.com/2010/07/30/new-jersey-to-double-down-on-an-industry-in-decline/
And he did...
"The plan involves carving out a state-controlled tourism district in Atlantic City and injecting hundreds of millions of dollars into an effort to resuscitate the fraying resort, which has been hurt badly by the proliferation of casinos in neighboring states."
http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/politics/2011/03/1496464/chris-christie-places-desperate-bet-atlantic-city

Show of hands: if you could gamble in-state, would you still spend money traveling to another state to do it?

Note: Internet gambling is making a comeback.

I think the free-market fairy/Djinn is at work.
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authorized-user
Made in the USA
09:30 PM on 12/14/2011
Atlantic City is depressing!
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J T K
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
04:51 AM on 12/15/2011
Yeah, that has less to do with gambling and more to do with Donald Trump's lasting influence.
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Mister Grumpy
An Angry American
07:43 PM on 12/14/2011
In Illinois the governor had the opportunity to expand gambling, but refused because it would benefit more than just Chicago. Downstate Illinois is again getting screwed by Chicago politics.
07:37 PM on 12/14/2011
It's a guaranteed moneymaker ....now they need to legalize prostitution motels and marijuana bars and put all three into 1 big Adult Playgrond Mall ...Think of all the funding that could be generated to help our young people attend schools of higher education...sure..
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Michael Kittredge
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10:08 PM on 12/14/2011
That's actually not a bad idea... but you're being sarcastic, aren't you?
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J T K
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
04:54 AM on 12/15/2011
You're being sarcastic but why not? All are victimless crimes except for those who choose to engage in them. Marijuana is no worse than alcohol or tobacco and prostitution if everyone is properly tested on a regular basis is victimless as well as being a great potential source of tax income that is currently being lost because nobody wants to report income from an illegal business.
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molemeagain
Notcoformingtolibhuffism
07:33 PM on 12/14/2011
Corrupt politicians looking for more ways to fleece the flock
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Michael Kittredge
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10:14 PM on 12/14/2011
People are always wasting their money on something, whether there is a casino or not. Might as well be on something that creates jobs and helps our cash strapped governments balance their budgets
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J T K
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
05:16 AM on 12/15/2011
Do the politicians force people to go gamble? I thought not. Do they make it so casinos don't have to put out information about the dangers of gambling addiction? Again, no. So who's being fleeced here?
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wikwox
So there I was, playing the piano....
07:10 PM on 12/14/2011
Gambling revenue is static, there is only so much of it out there and much of it comes from old people (remember, I'm on stage watching you guys ). My state has already added "table games", poker and all the rest. The result? Nothing, no change except for a short lived blip from curiosity. However I did see competition from other states devastate Atlantic City's gambling revenue. What will happen is that the pie will be sliced into ever smaller shares for ever more casinos and states. Politicians, having discovered a cookie jar of revenue will, as ever, refuse to give it up or acknowledge that the jar is empty.
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Michael Kittredge
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10:17 PM on 12/14/2011
Sorry it hasn't yet worked out in your state. It seems to be working pretty well in other states.
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J T K
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
05:15 AM on 12/15/2011
It's not just competition. Trump hasn't done Atlantic City any favors, that along with many other missteps in trying to make it a destination akin to a Las Vegas of the East Coast is what's led to it's downfall.
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06:47 PM on 12/14/2011
how much of the 1.2 or 1.6 billion in mass goes to the operators, which may leave the states taxpayers with a net loss.
06:19 PM on 12/14/2011
The poor trying for that one "big win" will suffer from gambling the most.
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authorized-user
Made in the USA
09:31 PM on 12/14/2011
You have to have a strategy to win big.
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Michael Kittredge
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10:20 PM on 12/14/2011
Like they're not already buying lotto tickets and scratch tickets? And playing keno at bars? People who want to blow their money have near endless opportunities to do so. Might as well do it in a way that creates lots of jobs and helps prop up our struggling local governments.
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4TJefferson
Promote the General Welfare
06:00 PM on 12/14/2011
States look to Gambling for more revenue. Sure. Why not. It has worked so well for Nevada right?! NOT! LMAO!
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Michael Kittredge
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10:23 PM on 12/14/2011
I think the problem with Nevada is that Gambling is just about the only thing they've got going for them, out there in the desert. Other than the girls, of course. A lot of states are doing this because people take their disposable money to other states nearby that do have casinos. Since they're already going to spend it, why have them spend it elsewhere?
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ZeraLee
A Citizen's View from Main Street
05:54 PM on 12/14/2011
I will leave talk of organized crime and the morality of gambling to others. There are other points to make.

1) Gambling is not wealth creation, it is wealth redistribution. It diverts and concentrates disposable income from it's customers, weakening the part of the economy they would normally patronize. Some of this money goes back to the economy, and some goes to taxes, but most leaves circulation.

2) It is an easy, seductive tax revenue stream. But the more states that play that card, the less effective that card becomes. The race to the casino could wee be a key economic bubble in the making.

Everything has its limits, and the magnitude of gambling that an economy can support is no exception.
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gerald4
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06:27 PM on 12/14/2011
Well Stated, Thanks
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Michael Kittredge
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10:30 PM on 12/14/2011
Think of it as entertainment. A bunch of wealthy people go out, have some drinks, see the sights, play some games and lose a big pile of money, some of which goes to prop up our governments. Lots of people employed in the construction of the casinos and in the operation of them. A lot of the people going to play at them, it's not like they'll all stop spending on other things just because they're going to a casino.
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ZeraLee
A Citizen's View from Main Street
05:57 PM on 12/15/2011
"A bunch of wealthy people go out, have some drinks, see the sights, play some games and lose a big pile of money"

Every week? Every month? How sustainable do you think that premise is?

Your theory depends on excess disposable income from "A lot of the people", an unreasonable assumption in a recession. And for the disposable dollars that do exist, there is tough and increasing competition. I have been seeing BP-sponsored tourism ads for the gulf states, even as states look to saturate the gaming portion of the entertainment market. I just read an article about a resurgence in tourism promotion in Colorado, and another about an increase in tourism dollars in Iowa due to legalized same-sex marriage. New York expects to cash in the same way.

Revitalize Las Vegas and Atlantic City? No problem. Expanded state gambling? Sure thing. New Harry Potter Theme Park? We can handle that too. Extended sports seasons? Go for it.

NOT!

My point is that there are limits to how much of the economy can be devoted to entertainment, just as there are limits for any other sector of the economy.
klwarner
Third wheel legend, always in the way
05:43 PM on 12/14/2011
I only hope the support systems are set up to help the people developing problems as a result of more accessible gambling. Having worked at an organization for people with gambling problems in MA before, I know there are a whole lot of people struggling with gambling not only in Mass'. huge lottery, but gambling at the world's two largest casinos, just out of state. Here's hoping the government will finally stop zeroing out the budget on assistance for problem gamblers and their families.
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J T K
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
05:26 AM on 12/15/2011
I don't know if it's everywhere but I remember from my last trip to the Bellagio in Vegas that they not only had literature in quite a few places out in the open where people often go (the cages and the gaming card desk among others if I remember correctly) but they also had the option to add yourself to a voluntary blacklist for a set period of time where you'd be denied the right to gamble in the casino. That would be more of a preventative measure but if you were in Vegas for shows or with family and you knew you might have a problem it's a fairly good solution.
klwarner
Third wheel legend, always in the way
12:07 PM on 12/15/2011
Well the personal opting out is something Mass casinos absolutely need to offer. I can't imagine how much worse it would be trying to deal with the compulsion in vegas, where it would be much harder to opt yourself out of everywhere. Good points.
05:38 PM on 12/14/2011
Here in Kentucky,It's fine to bet on horses,but not to have a casino..I say put it on the ballot,if the people want casinos they will vote that way.It's not the govonor's call..
05:18 PM on 12/14/2011
Massachusetts relys on preying upon the poor for Gambling revenues all ready, we have per Capita the most "succesfull" Lottery Program in the US already..now they want to fleece the rest of the sheep..

Its pathetic...
klwarner
Third wheel legend, always in the way
05:31 PM on 12/14/2011
Massachusetts moneymakers are upset about all the gambling revenue going to Connecticut, where they certainly don't need Mass dollars.
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Michael Kittredge
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10:33 PM on 12/14/2011
Nobody is forcing anybody to buy lotto tickets
11:01 PM on 12/14/2011
Thats true..but Casinos have little benfit economically to the communitys in which they are located...the argument that they do is a myth. Right now, Nevada has the seocnd highest unemployment rate in the country and is among the most in Debt States per capita nationally.

Lotto tickets are for the ignorant and ill-informed, which is who buys most of them.