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Djay0252
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05:12 PM on 02/12/2012
It was government who gave the average working person a chance to Rise to better standard of living and become what is known as the middle class. Big business did not want that middle class and is taking it back down again. There are a few getting richer...but most of us are getting poorer.
02:57 PM on 02/12/2012
Respectfully Mr Gunderson I think that when people equate a country to a business they are performing a serious logical fallacy. Personally I think it has something to do with people's love of analogies. But analogies fail when they are taking into any significantly complex analysis. America is not a business anymore than South Africa (my home) is. I just said that there is a big danger in using analogies but as an amateur scientist I have always been struck by the idea of substrates. Ultimately I think if nations are anything they are substrates that allow for the fullest expression of humanity by harnessing the output and input of many to achieve much.
And as much as I admired Mr Jobs for his excellent work, how exactly would you equate the mass export of Apple's manufacturing of their products with a good way to create jobs?
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drumz
The less you know the more you believe.
01:47 PM on 02/12/2012
Sorry, not reading this contrived BS. Businesses run this country through their political puppets and look where they have brought us. So now they want to ditch the middle man and screw us directly!

No, we tried a MBA, remember Bush? He ran as an accomplished [effing SIC] businessman and look where that got us!!! Because we know all good businessmen start wars they have no intention of paying for!
05:43 PM on 02/12/2012
Not reading is probably how you've stayed so ignorant. You've got it wrong, but looks like your stuck on it.
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drumz
The less you know the more you believe.
02:00 PM on 02/13/2012
No, within a couple words I know the intent so sorry you can't see BS as easily as me.
11:01 AM on 02/12/2012
Ya let a business man or a bankster run a country, lets watch him ship more jobs overseas, slash wages so that he can pay himself and his cronies exorbitant unsustainable bonuses, make decisions based only on what the upper 1% want, ya let’s have a business man run the country just like they ran the economy into the ground these last 30 years.

The poor, working and middle class have lousy lobbyists, unlike the wealthy who have the best that money can buy.
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msbeal
Let no neo-con lie go unchallenged
09:43 AM on 02/12/2012
Yeah, we need to bring back sharp businessmen like George Bush with investments like 3 trillion to remove one tyrant.

It's not their business acumen we're worried about, it's their larcenous, greed-based genetics we're worried about.

Romney, for example, has never represented the interest of another soul outside his family in his entire life and yet you buy into his 'competence' claim like a country rube buying a clunker from the 'honest sounding' used-car salesmen.
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MassWG
02:09 AM on 02/12/2012
"This may sound like a harsh observation, but close your own eyes and ponder these questions for a minute."

But Mr. Gunderson, on this forum you are now asking people already wearing blinders to close their eyes! Since all they can see is already removed from reality, I'm not sure you can expect the visions within their minds to change much.

Who let you in here, anyhow?
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Robert SF
10:48 PM on 02/11/2012
I think Gunderson misdiagnoses the problem. The problem isn't that the wrong type of people form the government. The problem is that a powerful minority has gained enough political leverage to influence public policy in their favor. With that powerful minority virtually in charge, it doesn't matter if a politician or a business executive is in the White House.

The truth is no genius is needed to manage a country. Any fool knows you shouldn't borrow what you can't pay back. What we must do is get the influence of wealth out of politics. Once politicians can vote their common sense instead of their masters' best interests, things should be ok.
08:24 PM on 02/11/2012
If I am not mistaken, it was business men that created the whole sub-prime/CDO/Credit Default swap fraud that pushed our economy and the world's into near collapse. It was business men that purchased the House and Congress to get tax subsides to make off shoring jobs profitable. It is rich business men that are domiciling their money off shore so they don't pay taxes. It was business men that got their paid for elected officials to give them gigantic Bush Tax cuts. Business men put us in the mess we are in today. All that a business man would do in office is directly remove safeguarding regulations from industry so that they can make money without worrying about fouling the air and water or hurting their workers or customers.
wsdave
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02:02 AM on 02/12/2012
I don't blame the guy who offers the bribe, I blame the guy who takes it.
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Eileenla
06:22 AM on 02/12/2012
I blame them both.
12:40 AM on 02/13/2012
Yes, yes, yes! Your on the money. Political corruption begets private sector corruption, not the other way around. Those who believe it's the other way are fools.
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MassWG
02:12 AM on 02/12/2012
"If I am not mistaken, it was business men that created the whole sub-prime/­CDO/Credit Default swap fraud that pushed our economy and the world's into near collapse."

You are mistaken. It was not businessmen who did all that, but rather bankers (in collusion with politicians and bureaucrats). There's a difference.
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Konnie
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07:57 PM on 02/11/2012
i'm gonna go with NO. it was businessmen who bought every politican in the country to do their bidding. it was businessmen who crashed the economy. it was businessmen so greedy they conspired to give mortgages to people who couldn't afford them for interest only. it was businessmen in the military industrial complex who profitted on the backs of killed soldiers, mained troups and countless civilian dead. it was businessmen in insurance corporations grasping at profit who stood in the way of a national health care program that would have saved the country trillions in the long run. it was businessmen in big pharma who refuse to negotiate prices with medicare, medicaid and tricare that could save the government trillions and individuals thousands of dollars it was businessmen in big agriculture in the quest for ever more profit to destroy the land and water and sell drug laden meat and presticide drowned produce it was businessmen in corporations tap dancing to the trolls on wall street that sent american jobs overseas for another dollar to add to the bottom line and not patriotism. the list is endless. so my answer is NO.
wsdave
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02:02 AM on 02/12/2012
"it was businessme­n who bought every politican in the country to do their bidding."

And it was every politician in the country who TOOK the bribes.
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drumz
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01:50 PM on 02/12/2012
Correct, and now the businessman wants to cut out the middleman, wake up!!!
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MassWG
02:16 AM on 02/12/2012
In every case, businessmen do none of these things without the full cooperation of career politicians.
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judgeholden79
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06:22 PM on 02/11/2012
Am I missing something? Are we so soon to forget Wall Street's complicity in this mess? "Crackerjack" businessmen messed up royally, and the government had to swoop in and bail them out.

I don't believe for a second that having a businessman in the presidency would be any better. Goldman Sachs alumni have had their fingers in the goverment for years, and what did it get us? Hank Paulson paying out money to his buddies with no accountability. Phil Gramm, the genius behind the repeal of Glass Steagall, the author of the Commodities Futures Modernization Act, the guy who called us a "nation of whiners" was a "businessman" before his stint in government. Finally, Bush, you might remember, was a the first MBA president and was a businessman before he became gouvernor. So, yeah, crackerjack businessmen, bang up job, I'll be sure to get out there and vote for you.
05:52 PM on 02/11/2012
Sounds like a job for Mitt Romney.
05:29 PM on 02/11/2012
"Oh, I forgot that a businessman cannot run a country." This explains why George W. Bush, the first president with an MBA, ran the country into the ground and turned a budget surplus into a deficit.
wsdave
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02:04 AM on 02/12/2012
Even Clinton would done that. The reality is that government can't control the economy, no matter how much it thinks it can.
09:02 AM on 02/12/2012
I agree to a point. Government can suppress the economy, but government can't make it produce. What government does well for the economy is create an environment where trade can be done safely & reliably. A stable monetary system is vital for smooth trade of course.

Regulations are good, if they are simple & uniform. Allowing government to pick & choose who they want to win or loose is just disastrous, which is why it's not Constitutional. For government to function well for the people, they need to get back behind Constitutional lines. There is greed in government that's in need of regulating even more than business because the power of government is more intrusive. A business can throw you in the nut house for refusing it's services, but government can & if they can businesses will buy that & that puts us in a form of slavery that keeps getting worse as the foundation for corruption is accepted. You don't see it, but we are on the road to serfdom. Any people who don't keep their power & regulate their government will be on that road. It's not a good road & the destination is extreme oppression. That's just the default position for powerful government.
RealistBC
Micro-bios must pass muster. Mine won't.
05:11 PM on 02/11/2012
No. Businessmen are autocrats, expecting every little ukase to be met immediately. Unless our laws mean nothing anymore, no businessman can even function under our system.
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03:54 PM on 02/11/2012
well, Pres Obama did a pretty good job recently using sound judgement, rescuing GM and Chrysler, where businessman Mitt Romney would have closed up shop on both and put how many more millions on the unemployment dole? Running a business and running a country are 2 different things and cant really be compared. This is a country for and about the betterment of its people for one, its not a balance sheet to be tweaked. A businessman has absolute authority and can make swift decisions, and they are carried out immediately and without question.The President is in charge of 1 branch of government and has to operate within those confines. Why Mitt Romney, or anyone for that matter, would want to be president is beyond me. Yes maybe ego, but it seems like those take humiliating pummelings during any administration.
05:55 PM on 02/11/2012
GM stock is so low right now the Feds can't even sell. Chrysler was a slide of hand trick. Fiat paid back 3.5 billion, then the Feds loaned them another 3.5 billion for retooling. Don't believe everything Obama tells you.
RealistBC
Micro-bios must pass muster. Mine won't.
08:46 PM on 02/11/2012
I'm more concerned about how much we get to pay for the subsidies given to the Wall Street banks, which amount to trillions of dollars. A few billion is a week's lunch budget at the Pentagon.
03:25 PM on 02/11/2012
No, businessmen should not run a country, their perspectives are too narrow. A government debt is not the same thing as a business debt though businesses do get into debt in order to grow and make money, something that for some reasons governments are not allowed to do according to the "we should be run by businessman supermen" people.  Many government investments lose money in the short run but they pay off in the long run, in some cases they reduce the cost of doing business, reduce the cost of living, and other such things that improve life in general but the bean counters go crazy and demand that these benefits be rolled back. Some public services are supposed to not break even, I mean does the sewer system have to make a profit? Ridiculous.