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06:23 PM on 02/17/2012
Please dont screw with global warming...its the middle of febuary and its been in the 40s in michigan instead of the teens and weve had maybe 10 " of snow all winter instead of 60". Ive never seen this before but I love it. Hasnt the weather been changing since the beginning of time?
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bccpn
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06:21 PM on 02/17/2012
NASA reports last week showing no ice melting over the last decade and the report at the beginning of the month by the 12 scientist who used peer studies to conclude global warming is a scam. They talk about one person in this article how about all the emails from Cambridge and the UN proving to be all lies. Keep sending your dollars to AL he needs a new mansion and another jet
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Publicola
Reality has a scientific bias
06:29 PM on 02/17/2012
bccpn: "NASA reports last week showing no ice melting over the last decade"

Not even close to correct.

Trillions of tons of glacial ice has melted over the last decade.
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gallon
Those who fail to remember history are, um
06:33 PM on 02/17/2012
This is complete BS. Lies from one end to the other.

The article exposes the anti climate propaganda campaign, and a denier steps up and gives us a demonstration.

article: "climate disinformation and propaganda scandal exposed"

denier: "scam" "Al Gore Al Gore" "UN" "the emails"

bccpn, you guys have been conditioned like pavlovian dogs not to think about the circumstances. You have been programmed to respond with bumper sticker phrases. Sorry bccpm, you have been absorbed by the Heartland borg. There is no escape for a miserable denier.

Oh yeah.
Your NASA comment is false.
Your comment on emails is false.
Your innuendo and smear of Al Gore is false.

That is why we call you guys deniers.
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goodlucktu
no thanks
06:10 PM on 02/17/2012
Just think of all the oil that we won't have to use to heat our homes.. bring global warming on, I'm sick of cold rotten weather.. if i could only live long enough, I would have ocean front property looking right out over where NY city use to be....let mother nature take its coarse... don't screw with it!!
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gallon
Those who fail to remember history are, um
06:36 PM on 02/17/2012
That is the problem. We have severely screwed with it. The effects happen very slowly so they are easy to dismiss. Imagine Texas weather shifted north as far as Iowa. Imagine South Carolina weather in Maine. It is the future that is threatened.
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05:50 PM on 02/17/2012
Ironic, gossip and propaganda to expose propaganda . This writer should remove the word science from his tittles and stick with film maker where he can hide behind artisic embelishment
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gallon
Those who fail to remember history are, um
06:38 PM on 02/17/2012
Distraction.

Heartland Institute Great Valentine's Day Expose 2012
Denying and Lying Reasonable Rates.
We can Taylor a campaign to suit your corporate needs.
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pfreddie88
Facts drive the GOP crazy...
05:30 PM on 02/17/2012
I once had a rep from a tobacco company tell me, "Cigarettes are not poison. Poison effects everyone the same way. If cigarettes were poisonous, everyone who smoked would die the same way, not from a whole bunch of different diseases". I kid you not. This was her argument. Big money can make for some pretty interesting arguments.
04:54 PM on 02/17/2012
So it is OK for Greenpeace to spend millions of dollars and the US government to spend billions of dollars advocating CAGW fears but it is immoral for skeptics to present their views ?
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Namdoc
Retired Navy Corpsman
04:27 PM on 02/17/2012
This article is not a news story. It is so opiniated that it is not worth the band space it takes up.
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DocSkull
My questions aren't rhetorical.
04:57 PM on 02/17/2012
It tells the news of six documents stolen from the Heartland Institute which reveals that they have one primary donor and that they currently have several projects designed to cast doubt on consensus science.
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gallon
Those who fail to remember history are, um
06:44 PM on 02/17/2012
That's great. When the story came out this was one of the early reports. It remains useful and valid. And as you see, hundreds have gathered here to comment.
04:06 PM on 02/17/2012
I am not taking a stance on this issue until the Real Expert comes out and gives Us the answer............Oprah!!
03:38 PM on 02/17/2012
Hope they pay Otto enough to buy that underground lair when the heat really starts!
pfreddie88
Facts drive the GOP crazy...
03:14 PM on 02/17/2012
I recently went to Mount Evans in Colorado. I go every year. Normally, the ground squirrels are all over us for food. They have grown less and less in number until, last year, there were none at all. I asked the park rangers, and they said that the critters had been coming our of hibernation eariler and earlier because their body temperature gets warmer earlier. They wake up, and there's no food so early in the season. So, they all die. The same thing has been happening with the marmots in Rocky Mountain National Park. There's been no recorded instance of this happening before. There is a lot of data to consider when looking at whether or not this is a normal, cyclic change. A lot of people are dismissing it way to easily. They see tiny bits of data they want to see provided by the people who have the most to gain by de-regulation. Tell me, what happens if all these skeptics are dead wrong? By the time they are convinced, there will be very little we can do. I don't care as much, because I don't have any children. But those of you that do might want to consider the world you are leaving them.
05:01 PM on 02/17/2012
I lived in Colorado for years, there is no Mt. Everest there, you have to go to Tibet.
pfreddie88
Facts drive the GOP crazy...
05:08 PM on 02/17/2012
Yep, I need a nap. I bet you could quess that I was talking about Mt. Evans
05:28 PM on 02/17/2012
I simple search revealed that plague has been killing many of critters.
02:56 PM on 02/17/2012
Think tanks always want to influence public opinion, and if the truth or falsity of an assertion is inconsistent with their ideology, though backed by overwhelming evidence, they can refer to it as "controversial". Being able to get past these roadblocks to understanding an issue is not really a matter of "sound science", but of critical thinking in general. No amount of "sound science" taught in the schools can be a substitute for knowing an evasive statement when one sees it. As Martin Gardner used to say, "scientists are the easiest people in the world to con." On the other hand, anybody who could be reassured by the information that the world's population could all be put in Rhode Island with nine square feet for each person must have had a very deficient education, though it's hard to say in precisely what subject.
cosmicdart
paragon of paradigms
02:48 PM on 02/17/2012
The fossil fuel industry needs more proof for global warming fefore they believe such as an ecological disaster that kills a few billion people during a single afternoon. They need to see the bodies! We'll never do anything about it until we're on the brink of extinction.
moccasinmike
retreat hell
05:53 PM on 02/17/2012
cosmicdart-time for you and Al Gore to get in your rocket ship and zoom away,send us a cosmic card,we will still be here you jack wagon.
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gallon
Those who fail to remember history are, um
06:49 PM on 02/17/2012
the press: "climate change"

the deniers (salivating): "Al Gore"
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chrisd3
Excelsior!
08:24 PM on 02/17/2012
Yeah, you can always fall back on insults and something about Al Gore if you don't gave a real response.
06:21 PM on 02/17/2012
Thats never going to happen!! World war three is much more likley to result in a few billion people being killed. Or a new plauge of some sort. Meanwhile we will waste billions of dollars trying to control some thing that is humanly impossible to control!! None of us will be alive a few thousand years from now and we have no clue what life will be like then. This earth has gone through contstatant change for millions of years. Record keeping of temperatures only goes back a few hundred. Its is incredibly arrogant for anyone to thing that they know enough about global climate to be able to predict the future. Scientists are split to either side of this issue. No one knows the truth!!
cosmicdart
paragon of paradigms
06:45 PM on 02/17/2012
If an ecological tipping point is triggered, all I have said could happen and more. There are several such tipping points that man-man activity may trigger. Just cuz we're not the cause doesn't mean that we wouldn't be the trigger. You want to trade short term economic gain for long term perdition cuz you don't expect to live long enough to experience the consequence of accelerating our economy through the burning of fossil fuels. We have ways of improving our economy through the use of solar cells and windmills. Our homes, cars, boats, and airplanes should be powered by windmills and solar cells.
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gallon
Those who fail to remember history are, um
06:50 PM on 02/17/2012
It is incredibly uninformed to be making such broad profound pronouncemants.
02:35 PM on 02/17/2012
As a biologist, I do not believe that humans are CAUSING climate change/global warming, but I most definitely believe that we are CONTRIBUTING to the speed and extent of climate change/global warming. For me, it's not about "blame", but about "responsibility" -- if one makes a mess, one should not waste time pointing fingers at other messy people, but rather just pick up one's mess! It is a fact -- measureable and observable -- that we humans are adding our industrial pollutants to the environment. Now, give the planet another few 100,000 years to adapt, and it won't be a problem; of course, whether or not our species will survive the planetary adaptations is a different matter entirely. Myself -- selfish creature that I am -- would prefer to survive; ergo, enough with the whining and let's just fix the problem(s).
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Publicola
Reality has a scientific bias
04:50 PM on 02/17/2012
"As a biologist, I do not believe that humans are CAUSING climate change/glo­bal warming, but I most definitely believe that we are CONTRIBUTI­NG to the speed and extent of climate change/glo­bal warming."

Per overwhelming scientific evidence human actions are in fact both CAUSING and CONTRIBUTING to global warming; as a biologist you should be well aware that the two terms are not mutually exclusive.
09:22 AM on 02/18/2012
Well, as a biologist, I know that the definition of the noun, "to cause" means " to be the agent of; the originator", whereas the definition of the verb, "to contribute" means, "to help bring about a result; act as a factor".

Given the fact that scientists know that the Earth has undergone numerous natural climate changes throughout its 4.1 billion year existence, and that some of those climate changes have occurred rather rapidly (geologically speaking), I don't know of any scientist who would claim that the current climate changes were due solely to human "cause". However, there is significant evidence to indicate that humans are a "contributor" to the speed, severity, and distribution of the current climate change, and that if we do not attempt to mitigate our contributions to this problem, then the global impact of this climate change may be devastating to our species, as well as to other species who share this planet with us.

It is because we humans claim to be the (or one of the) most intelligent species on Earth that I feel we should stop wasting time trying to assign blame to some other factor and instead demonstrate our intelligence by doing the most responsible thing; namely, reduce or eliminate man-made environmental pollutants, ASAP.
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ykaplinsky
02:34 PM on 02/17/2012
but science is never certain..........especially since we have only made measurments for just over a century. Remember when science said the earth was flat and the sun revolved around the earth? I don't see anything nefarious about saying this is what people think but the science is not without controversy
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DocSkull
My questions aren't rhetorical.
05:02 PM on 02/17/2012
"but science is never certain...­"

Science is certain until someone comes up with new and compelling evidence. Climate data goes back much, much longer than a century.
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Katmandu01
05:31 PM on 02/17/2012
"...esp­ecially since we have only made measurment­s for just over a century."
Good point so let's go back a bit further, about 2000 years:
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=11676&page=R1
"Remember when science said the earth was flat..." When was that? Help me out here since the Greek mathematician Eratosthenes actually calculated with amazing accuracy the circumference of the earth in the second century BC which proves that ancient scholars knew the earth was round.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eratosthenes#Eratosthenes.27_measurement_of_the_Earth.27s_circumference
And please tell me what scientists opposed Galileo's effort to present the heliocentric view of the solar system. He was in fact opposed by the Inquisition who were definitely not scientists.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_Galilei#Controversy_over_heliocentrism
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ericwolfe574
05:56 PM on 02/17/2012
try using a reputable source for your information!
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jeneric82
07:02 PM on 02/17/2012
First of all, wikipedia is NOT a reliable resource when trying to back your argument. And second, the temperature data listed in your first link was "reconstructed" not measured. The data was estimated using scientific principles, not actual readings because there was little to no data. Therefore, the first poster was correct.