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PermanentVacancy
Those who do not move, do not notice their chains.
01:19 PM on 02/21/2012
Well I hope they follow through instead of being bullied into a PC submission of their principles. Christians need to reflect on the actual teachings of Christ and apply them without double standards or "special" exceptions.
01:10 PM on 02/21/2012
Bravo . . divest . . lead the way . . . thank you
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Gui Montag
Former Palestinian Supporter
12:40 PM on 02/21/2012
Norman Finkelstein (Israel haters will know who he is) calls out BDSers for the liars that they are:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iggdO7C70P8
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cosmiczulu
the truth shall set you free
08:02 PM on 02/21/2012
Hey Gus, these topics bring out the haters who regularly misrepresent and distort everything about Israel. It's the fuel that HP runs on.
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Boduognat
Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'entrate.
04:17 PM on 02/22/2012
"Norman Finkelstein (Israel haters will know who he is) calls out BDSers for the liars that they are:"

1) Since you actually seem to refer to him: does that make you an Israel hater by your own argumentation?

2) Mr. Finkelstein does not call the BDS-movement "liars", which is, once again, a false accusation, but although he feels sympathy for them, calls them "not pragmatic".

2) LOL... It is actually HILARIOUS that you would actually refer to a single selected quote from Norman Finkelstein, off all people. I could hardly come up with the name of a Jewish person who is more hated in Israel than Mr. Finkelstein.
In fact, together with Mr. Noam Chomsky, they are probably the only two Jews in the whole world who enjoy the doubtful honor of not being granted the "right" of Jews to go to "the Jewish Homeland", the land of all Jews (but two).

3) Back to the matter at hand: you selectively quoted a short segment of a longer interview with Mr. Finkelstein, which I assume you are not very interested in anyway, considering he also talks a little bit about International Law that says:

1) Israel is only entitled to the land within 1967 borders
2) settlements are illegal
3) East Jerusalem is by legal right the capital of the Palestinian State.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ol8xhTySKfM
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Gui Montag
Former Palestinian Supporter
04:50 PM on 02/22/2012
1) I said that Israel haters like yourself would know who he is. Clearly I was right.

2) Yes he does. You have to watch the whole thing thing. At the end he says "you're dishonest." Unless you would like to turn this into another semantic argument, I would back off.

3) You're right, Finkelstein DOES hate Israel. Which is exactly why he is so revered among you and yours, and in turn why his attack on BDS is so devastating.

4) Nice try, but this topic is about BDS and how much it sucks. Not about 1967 borders and so forth.
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Fenrir Lokison
I luv the sci fi of Evolution and the Big Bang
08:45 AM on 02/21/2012
To do what is right does create a wedge. Or are people not aware of that? Following God's word does not bring peace, it never was meant to. It is to let the world know it is wrong and there is a time a price will have to be paid for the evil's it does. Either directly or indirectly.

It is equally up to the companies to choose to do support the needs of the shareholders as it is to make money.

For those who object to the church's decision to withdraw their financial support to these companies based on their ideas and vows to God...

How many of you would support a company you know is doing something that is morally and/or ethically wrong to you? Lets say if your money was going in to support an organization who's equipment is being used by say, suicide bombers? Or groups that allow child marriages to adults? Or maybe one of the biggest groups that is using it, engages in treating women like second class citizens and you have knowledge of this...Would your money go to supporting them?
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tallen
panem et circenses
08:51 PM on 02/20/2012
Hypocritical, not to mention utterly worthless.

Have they "divested" of all companies that do business in China ( after all, China ruthlessly occupies Tibet)...or most of the arab nations that deny equal rights to both women and non muslims?

Selling the stock of companies like Caterpillar ( a pillar of success with a constantly rising stock price ) has no effect...none.
They sell their stock and it is bought instantly by others who like a good quality investment.
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njoytday
12:27 PM on 02/21/2012
Yes all three seem to be up today. How ruthless to try and destroy a company becuase it's product is not being used as you want. Maybe paper should be divested when people write something they should not, per the Presbys. Or all knives banned since a man used it to stab another man rather than its intended use to cut food? Double Duh there is much more to this than meets teh eye, and the Presbys are way deep in the mud on this one.
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PermanentVacancy
Those who do not move, do not notice their chains.
01:23 PM on 02/21/2012
It will clean their hands of the contamination of evil. I don't think their intent is to hurt those business', just to not be seen as promoting actions that are the antithesis of the teachings of Christ.
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Gui Montag
Former Palestinian Supporter
01:46 PM on 02/21/2012
Jews are evil now?
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Vlady
Better Late
04:53 PM on 02/20/2012
Apparently, shooting in their foot is a part of the Presbyterian theology
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Raglimidechi
standing on fishes
01:59 PM on 02/20/2012
This is good news for Israel's enemies, is it not?
01:11 PM on 02/21/2012
israel is its own worst enemy . . .
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PermanentVacancy
Those who do not move, do not notice their chains.
01:24 PM on 02/21/2012
How?
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10:13 AM on 02/20/2012
First off the Church is playing politics, and it must not. Secondly all of the people who are non Jews forget that they need Israel. For if Israel falls, where will Jesus Christ return? Israel is a land of many religions and as much Christian as Jewish. It is our only ally in the Middle East and is the thorn in the Arab world. If we don't have that leverage there, the Arab world will march into the rest of the world and overtake it, which is their dream and aim, anyhow. And that is why Israel is so important to all of us.
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rev ta anderson
a pastor with a progressive passion for justice
12:42 PM on 02/20/2012
You are kidding right?
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01:07 PM on 02/20/2012
about what?
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Jrlh
Freedom...Before Comfort or Money...
05:20 PM on 02/20/2012
Listen....My God is big enough to come back wherever he wants whenever he wants and I don't think anything man does, has a thing to do with it...Did he need CPR to rise from the dead? Sorry, but I will put my trust in God without worrying about how he's going to do it...That's in his hands and I don't need to analyze it or understand.
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Vlad Roudenko
06:06 PM on 02/20/2012
Some just want to reduce God to human proportions. They are in clear error. This is what happens when the revelations are constantly tempered with over the centuries.
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06:52 PM on 02/20/2012
Why do so many Catholics go to Bethlehem on a pilgrimage? Wasn't Jesus of Nazareth a Jew too? Just because you don't like Israel there are millions of religious people who do and would not want to see Israel destroyed by Hamas and others who hate Israel too.
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bola47
09:49 AM on 02/20/2012
but i am quite confident in saying that their investment portfolio contains many of our defense (er, war) contractors.
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PermanentVacancy
Those who do not move, do not notice their chains.
01:28 PM on 02/21/2012
I highly doubt it, but why don't you read their website before you make a false assumption based on your own bigotry.
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Alicia Westberry
college student & Wordpress blog/ website owner
12:22 AM on 02/20/2012
While I agree with this move by the Presbyterians, this movement has already failed by other denominations. That does not bode well for the Presbyterians.
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01:45 AM on 02/20/2012
How's that ?
These things take time....
depending on how you look at
it, the US civil rights movement
took 40-100 year's to get some
basic reforms....

I thank those religions that are
brave enough to recognize the
repression on the West Bank
and actually try to do something
about it !

Nat Geo in 2009 had an article about
Christians leaving the Holy Land.....
and a picture of Christian Arab land
that radical Israeli's had fenced off
and taken. But the MSM rarely tells
us this sort of thing, it's too hot to
handle.
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PermanentVacancy
Those who do not move, do not notice their chains.
01:30 PM on 02/21/2012
Because the very well funded defense troops are loud and obnoxious so most capitulate rather than fight for whats right.
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njoytday
12:36 PM on 02/21/2012
This is pure disgusting for a religion to take sides and put a wedge between the sides rather than help promote peace between them, then to drag in reputable companies because they sell to israel or BOYCOTT the products is LOWER than a worm.
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ussuri
ask questions, question answers
10:00 PM on 02/19/2012
Norway also divested its funds from Israel related companies.
thank you Norway.
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ussuri
ask questions, question answers
09:46 PM on 02/19/2012
thank you Presbyterians for having God in your hearts.
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njoytday
11:40 PM on 02/19/2012
Presbytterians have money in their heart. Norway is part of teh European mentality where Jews are bad. Obama has not reigned in this hate so it is spreading.
All your posts are crazy.
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ussuri
ask questions, question answers
12:19 AM on 02/20/2012
God is with American Protestants.they are godly people.

you sound disheveled. unbalanced.
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01:47 AM on 02/20/2012
crazy.....look who's talking.....just ranting and no reasoning from what I see....
you probably blindly support right wing Israel, no matter even if
they KILL over 300 CHILDREN in Gaza in a month...!?!
08:32 PM on 02/19/2012
Until rockets cease being lobbed at Israel I would not agree to anything quite yet.
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ussuri
ask questions, question answers
09:34 PM on 02/19/2012
stupid post
10:05 PM on 02/19/2012
what utter claptrap is your glib response (see how easy it is to just go after every comment you disagree with and say something pissy?)
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njoytday
12:41 PM on 02/21/2012
Glad you see your post as stupid now.
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01:49 AM on 02/20/2012
That should stop, never made any sense, thankfully rarely hitting anyone.

Balance that to the IDF
KILLING OVER 300 CHILDREN IN A MONTH !!!
[ is that number too high, would only 200 fit
you better ? ]

Israel has most of the cards [ the money, land, weapons, etc. ],
they should play them faster and better. The Arabs should
try harder also of course. It's either WIN - WIN or
eventually LOSE - LOSE !
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cosmiczulu
the truth shall set you free
09:12 PM on 02/20/2012
you need to be banned for lying
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njoytday
12:42 PM on 02/21/2012
Where are you getting this nonsense from? the Terrorist Tabloid?
08:31 PM on 02/19/2012
I think they should stay with these companies and Israel and I am not a evangelical
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ussuri
ask questions, question answers
09:35 PM on 02/19/2012
nonsense
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njoytday
11:42 PM on 02/19/2012
Usuri or usury. Theft
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01:51 AM on 02/20/2012
b..e..c..a..u..s..e....?

Because they only steal some US technology and secrets ?
Because less than 500 were caught after that
big event about ten years ago ?
Because they were blind and could not see the
2 large US flags on the Liberty ?
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Ken Engledow
05:15 PM on 02/20/2012
I remember the USS Liberty and wish more Americans did. Friends do not blow friends ships out of the water. I am proud of the Presbyterians.
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njoytday
12:42 PM on 02/21/2012
Becuase you are absurd
08:29 PM on 02/19/2012
I think they should stay on the side of Israel.
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ussuri
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09:34 PM on 02/19/2012
bs
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01:52 AM on 02/20/2012
[ must be some kid with limited English over there .....laughable ]