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iknowscottyknows
02:36 PM on 03/03/2012
The "educated" left is way too intelligent for me. For instance, when I ask, "When does human life begin?" they're only answer is, "We don't know. We can't know. Science can't tell us."

Really? Gee, I learned the answer in seventh grade, but maybe we've lost some knowledge over that period. How about, "What is the norm for sexuality in species homo sapiens?" I get the same answer. "We don't know. We'll never know. Science can't tell us."

I sense a trend, one where science parallels political agenda. That must be the "critical thinking" so many here are puffed up about. The New, True Scientific Method.
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rdariusxxxx
10:28 PM on 03/04/2012
If you ask most people when human life begins you will get one of several answers. Some might say at fertilization. Some might say when the fetus is able to survive outside the womb. Others might say at birth. "We don't know. We can't know. Science can't tell us." would rarely, if ever, be the answer. In fact, to anyone that appreciates science, the words, "we can't know and we'll never know" would be anti-scientific, and would not reflect the beliefs of people to whom science helps present the real world.

As for the norm in sexuality, modern science understands homosexuality to be among the normally occurring healthy sexual orientations. So yes, science does indeed have an answer to that one.

I appreciate real discussions with those that don't agree with me as long as they stick to facts and leave false accusations and innuendo at the door. There is plenty of room for reasonable discussion. There is no room for lies and falsehoods.

Nobody who appreciates science has said those things to you because nobody who actually appreciates science would ever say those words and mean them.
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iknowscottyknows
02:21 PM on 03/05/2012
It was hyperbolic, of course, and meant to show the point.

We have come so far in our intellectual reasoning we have lost common sense. And you repeated the responses I encounter in different words. Take any other animal and ask a scientist when life begins and you should receive the answer: At conception.

Homosexuality is not "among the normally occurring healthy sexual orientations." The very fact that the percentage of occurrence is so low (between 1-2%) in the population suggests it is an aberration, and not normal. Occurrence does not equal normalcy. Cannibalism occurs in nature. No one sane would suggest it is one of the normal dietary choices. It is an aberration.

Science, as you define it, relies more on the social winds that blow rather than facts.
01:41 PM on 03/03/2012
the better question is: Is critical thinking bad for religion? and the answer is always, Yes!
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Robbert Bricker
i'm not a slave to a god that doesn't exist.
11:22 AM on 03/05/2012
f&F
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iknowscottyknows
02:22 PM on 03/05/2012
Hard to say, as it is so rarely encountered from the left.
03:36 PM on 03/05/2012
real mature reply!
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Indigo1941
Time traveler.
01:24 PM on 03/03/2012
I certainly hope so!
02:05 PM on 03/02/2012
I went to a Catholic college and majored in Biochemistry. Nothing changed my opinions about my religion more than the required theology classes (I was raised, practiced and confirmed as a Catholic up until college). After being exposed to science and research, where theories were backed by FACT I could no longer affiliate myself with a religion that explained beliefs in such a "because we say so" fashion. Like so many people on this thread have already posted, knowledge is the enemy to religion.
01:42 PM on 03/03/2012
excellent post. welcome to the reality based community!!
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PELAGIUS2
Justice belongs to all, or it belongs to none
01:27 PM on 03/02/2012
I believe that college is bad for unthinking religion. My own search has only shown me how much I DON'T know. I don't know enough to question the beliefs of others except for this. And this is for the cherry pickers who dig through scripture for verses to back up their own prejudices, say opposing gay rights while ignoring whole books, most of the prophets, with the call for justice, mercy and charity towards the poor, the marginalized and the ignored. Think I'd get an answer?
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iknowscottyknows
03:54 PM on 03/03/2012
If your critical thinking skills have shown how much you don't know, then surely you must admit how little you know about scripture. And, being antagonistic to religion and the religious, how little you care to know.

Critical thinking should also show us our self-imposed limitations on subjects that make us uncomfortable or don't fit into our immovable mind-set.
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rsttho557949
What is Job's Crucible?
12:01 PM on 03/02/2012
"As someone who has been a college chaplain at one of the most notably secular colleges in the United States,”

And they wonder why…

Kids fall away from the faith when they leave high school. In college kids will begin drinking, have sex and will get exposed to liberal professors that help to justify the heathen existence of college students. Moral relativism is the justification for drinking, immorality and questioning the values of one's parents. But moral relativism is not just with secular professors, it also occurs within the faith. Why are women still women ministering to men and women? I thought the Bible was against "Dr.Reverand" women doing a role that was decreed for straight mature men with no controversy in the background who were able to teach? (1 Timothy 2:12; 3:1-13). It’s no wonder with all the contradictions (gay ministers, ex-felons-some with pedophile backgrounds) in the faith that students wilt come under attack by secular professors in college. They’ll point to the Bible and say, “See. See its says here what are the qualifications for church leadership and your people still violate it. So ho can others take the supposed truth of the Bible seriously?” It’s no wonder why students initially fall away from the faith.
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mabinog
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06:29 PM on 03/02/2012
ummm, you do understand that kids also leave high school but don't go to college and some of them have sex, drink, do drugs, steal, etc. You do understand that right?

so what is the reason for the moral turpitude? you see the flaw in your judgment right?

lol, in fact you just behaved exactly like the heathen professors you seem to despise.

get a grip
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mabinog
My micro-bio is a desolate wasteland
09:43 PM on 03/02/2012
so what is the reason that kids that leave high school, but don't go to college are having sex, drinking and acting immoral?
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rsttho557949
What is Job's Crucible?
10:00 PM on 03/02/2012
It due to the heathen that is in all of us. In college they ( friends and professors) tell you that you'll be really ^&&% up if you don't unleash what has been suppressing./repressing and basically holding you back. Kids want to hear that. Adults like hearing that, too.

Anyway, man's sinful nature is unleashed when one is not looking at him or her.
10:17 AM on 03/02/2012
yes, higher education would be bad for religion... they would lose membership. and good for the students for they would rely on their own intelligence more and won't 'follow' blindly or out of fear.
10:07 AM on 03/02/2012
religion as Established religion, isn't what Santorum mean, it's not about the individual following their own spirituality.
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Hillbilly49
If God is your Co-Pilot; let him land the plane.
09:40 AM on 03/02/2012
Thinking is hard; faith is easy.
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PELAGIUS2
Justice belongs to all, or it belongs to none
01:18 PM on 03/02/2012
Thinking about faith isn't easy either. And, since I don't buy into the just accept Jesus as your saviour and you're in like Flynne it means I have to work at it. The first thing I discovered is that I don't know very much. And since what I do know would fill a very small teacup I'm not going to condemn someone else's honest search.

What I will question is the cherry picking that's so popular. There are about four verses in both testaments that supposedly condemn homosexuality. There are whole books of the prophets from Amos to Zechariah that call for justice to the poor, the orphans, the widows, the ignored and the marginalized. In the interests of full disclosure I've only read Amos, Hosea and Isaiah, but I can't imagine the others are much different. So I would have to ask the literalist cherry pickers, especially the "once the kid is born, he/she is not my problem' types. How about we take all those prophetic calls for justice literally too? I suspect that the silence would be eloquent and deafening.

LIke the bio by the way. It's easy to claim the title, it's darned hard to live up to. Fanned and fav'd
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bobbrowntown
12:27 AM on 03/03/2012
As a Unitarian Universalist, I tend to shy away from the old testement and look more to the constant refrain in the new testement of love thy neighbor. I'm also not a big fan of cherry picking. I can find many contradictory phrases in the Bible if you want. I prefer to look at the larger picture of what many religions say rather than claiming devine providence for one or the other. But I think about faith a lot.
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Robbert Bricker
i'm not a slave to a god that doesn't exist.
11:28 AM on 03/05/2012
hmm? i dunno, mate. when i was bought into this mythology, i found faith very hard. you have to really work hard to deny reality and factual evidence and history. reprogramming your mind to believe in fairy tales is a lot of work. thankfully, reality is a little easier to digest, as it is real. ;)
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09:26 AM on 03/02/2012
I didn't need college to disabuse me of a belief in "christianity", 18 years of up close personal relations with so called "christians" taught me all I needed to know about the faith its hypocrisy and hoakum.
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iknowscottyknows
03:55 PM on 03/03/2012
The supposition being that only non-Christians are free from hypocrisy.

Unsupportable by reality.
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Robbert Bricker
i'm not a slave to a god that doesn't exist.
11:29 AM on 03/05/2012
we don't hear non-christians declaring their self-righteousness either.
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trekie70
Lifelong bibliophile and political junkie
08:40 AM on 03/02/2012
It is only bad for religions whose self-esteem depends on how many followers they have. Case in point: the RCC. The RCC cringes anytime there is a chance that the truth behind their 2000 years of deception may be revealed.
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psnyder325
Yep, I'm a Socialist. Deal.
03:11 AM on 03/02/2012
Religion is, as Marx said, the opiate of the people, used by the 1% to keep the 99% in line with fears of hell and eternal punishment. Any god who would threaten that to keep people in line is not a god I would ever want to be around anyway.
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twfslc
11:16 AM on 03/02/2012
You read too many theological work from evangelical clergy. If you look at Luther and Wesley, it's about God forgiving us.
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iknowscottyknows
03:55 PM on 03/03/2012
Whereas Marxism is the opiate of the illiterati.
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psnyder325
Yep, I'm a Socialist. Deal.
03:08 AM on 03/02/2012
Religious belief DOES tend to go down with education and intelligence. Few geniuses are religious. As the world becomes more and more educated, the horror that is religion should begin to slink off into the abyss where it should have stayed before killing and maiming the millions it has been responsible for.
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twfslc
11:20 AM on 03/02/2012
You know, the atheists I know generally don't have much educatoin beyond high school. On the other hand, most people of faith (Christians, Jews, and Muslims) that I know, have at least one, and often 2 degrees, including Ph.D.s in science.

Yes, plenty of people have been killed in the name of Christianity, but that is wrong. Remember that Jesus was a pacifist. Israel was looking for a Messiah who would sweep the Romans out of the Holy Land, and Jesus didn't do that.
12:57 AM on 03/02/2012
"Reality has a liberal bias."
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iknowscottyknows
02:38 PM on 03/03/2012
I think you mean "sin."
05:50 AM on 03/05/2012
No, I most certainly do not.
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davyjones2112
Top o' the world ma !!
09:08 PM on 03/01/2012
My family celebrated christmas when i was a child.
Fortunately the book i grew up with was not the bible , but encyclopedia britanica.
Talk about a blessing! I was chuckling at religions when i was 10 years old.
10:09 AM on 03/02/2012
Hello Enlightened one.
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twfslc
11:23 AM on 03/02/2012
I also know Jews and Muslims who celebrate Christmas. So, what's your point?