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08:39 AM on 11/03/2008
I hope the Log Cabin Republicans will endores Obama
11:54 AM on 11/03/2008
unfortunately, not likely. log cabin repubs are essentially self loathing, imo.
08:36 AM on 11/03/2008
To bestillnow: Of course he is entilted to his personal beliefs. However, he is enforcing thos beliefs on the country. Joe Biden stated on Meet the Press that life begins at conception, meaning his personal beliefs would go against abortion. However, he will not enforce is belief on Amercia.
09:07 AM on 11/03/2008
How exactly is he enforcing those beliefs on us?
08:35 AM on 11/03/2008
Yesterday Obama re-stated the "no on Prop 8" talking point--No matter how you feel about marriage, it's wrong to take away someone's fundamental rights. I wish he'd done it sooner.

"I was wondering, what is your reaction to Proposition 8, and would you vote yes or no on it?"

Obama: I have stated my opposition to that. I think it is unnecessary.

I believe that marriage is between a man and woman and I am not in favor of gay marriage, but when you're playing around with constitutions, just to prohibit somebody who cares about another person, it just seems to me that that is not what America is about. Usually constitutions expand liberties, they don't contract them.

What I believe is that if we have strong civil unions out there that provide legal rights to same-sex couples that they can visit each other in the hospital if they get sick, that they can transfer property to each other. If they've got benefits, they can make sure those benefits apply to their partners. I think that is the direction we need to go. I think young people are ahead of the curve on this, for the most part. I think their attitude generally is, "We should be respectful of all people," and that is the kind of politics I want to practice.

Sway: So you would vote ...

Obama: I would vote no on the proposition.
08:35 AM on 11/03/2008

I respect your opinion. As of January, we're going to get 4 years of SOMETHING. The question we all must ask is what will that something be. I am a complete proponent of gay marriage, without question. I don't want religion in our country's business. If that's the case then let's shut things down from Friday night to Monday morning for the sabbath, prohibit divorces and for sure, make adultery illegal.

There's no way that I will be able to vote for a president who shares my view on gay marriage. Obama, as the democratic candidates should be the one who supports my view, but he doesn't. But I can't NOT vote for him. I may not get 100% of what I want but I'm guaranteed to get a more from him than from John McCain.

We humans are continuing to evolve in our consciousness. Sometimes it's 2 steps forward 1 step back, for sure. Only 50 yrs ago laws prohibited a black and white person from marrying. It was illegal! Today, except in the minds of some extremists, that is unthinkable. In this country, less than 100 years ago "Gentiles only" signs hung in hotel windows and the unofficial practice of "Gentiles only" was existed much later. That's unimaginable. And so it is for gays. One day, people will look back and say "huh, what were they thinking"

I believe that Obama will bring that day quite a bit sooner than McCain will.
Knowing Doing Being
10:53 AM on 11/03/2008
Loving v. Virginia was decided in 1967. It was only forty years ago that so-called racially mixed marriages were prohibited in several states (and they weren't all in the Deep South). Thirty states (out of forty-eight at the time), had anti-miscegenation laws until after the end of the Second World War. Despite the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, at leasdt fifteen states (that I can recall), retained their laws against, "race-mixing." Alabama kept its law on the books until 2000!

A la Joe Biden, let me state that again: Alabama kept its anti-miscegenation law until the year 2000.

The marriage of Obama's parents would have been unrecognized by several states, as was my own parents' marriage, initially. That Senator Obama would fail to acknowledge this history is unforgivable to me, given that he is not only a scholar of Constitutional Law, but also a product of both, "miscegenation" and religious intermarriage.
08:33 AM on 11/03/2008
I support Obama/Biden but I am very disappointed that they are against gay marriage.
08:54 AM on 11/03/2008
Me too. Why is it so difficult to accept that we the people of this country deserve equal rights? It's simple.
08:33 AM on 11/03/2008
It's like this:

Protecting marriage by keeping gay people from getting married is like protecting voting by keeping black people from voting.

It's as simple as that.
08:43 AM on 11/03/2008
-_- Horrible. You can say the same thing about women, but yet you said black people. Why?
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the small minded are hiding everywhere
10:23 AM on 11/03/2008
Obama's Mother and Father would not have been able to marry if they had met in the 60's. Wrong yes, almost unthinkable today. But how would this have affected him growing in that climate? There are children's lives to consider as well as adults. Gays adopt and have their own biological children today. Why create a separate but equal America for them. When this should be a non-issue a lot of sick people who call themselves Christians are making it difficult for other people to regain their dignity. Sound familiar?
09:10 AM on 11/03/2008
I don't follow.
08:29 AM on 11/03/2008
I am not sure that I understand the "disappointment" I've seen expressed here with regards to Obama's personal belief that marriage is between a man and a woman. He is a Christian. Why would it be surprising or disappointing that he believes this? He is entitled to his personal beliefs and stances just as we all are. Do you want him to lie for political reasons just to make some feel better? I think that it is a testament to his honesty and transparency that he can state his view on gay marriage. The thing you're missing is that although that is his personal, religious view, he DOES NOT support a legal ban on gay marriage...something the Right is incapable of doing...keeping church and state separate This is the man who we want to lead us. The one who can uphold the Constitution unequivocally. His personal beliefs are his own.
Physician & mother..struggling musician
08:33 AM on 11/03/2008
He may also be taking this position in order to avoid appearing ultra liberal.

It's a shame, but you know what?? He knows what he has to do in order to win the election. None of his ideals will matter if he does not win.
08:40 AM on 11/03/2008

You are a person with much common sense. Although O, who is a Christian, personally believes in marriage being for man and woman, he does not let his religious views allow him not to be able to separate church and state, so he opposes Prop 8.

It's all about common sense. People should put their hurt feelings in their back pockets and let common sense and good judgment take effect.
08:24 AM on 11/03/2008
personally, marriage is an archaic idea. i am a straight woman that is "living in sin". i am in a loving and committed relationship. however, in order to have certain technical issues, i.e. being able to share medical requests; adding our names to the others important documents, etc so on....then the whole marriage thing has to happen. i do not follow any religious ideology and if we were to ever wouldn't be in a church with all the ritual that goes along with it.

now, if it is your thing...then great. but, we have progressed, hopefully, out of the dark ages. and really? we are still arguing about gay marriage? i fully support the right to be able to get married, if that is what a couple chooses. why not? it is a personal choice. and shouldn't every person, regardless of sexual orientation, race, gender, have the choice? i mean...people spewing the "sanctity of marriage" are probably on their 3rd or 4th spouse.

what else can we possibly legislate?
08:30 AM on 11/03/2008
Great post. You highlited a point I was making in my earlier posts. Why exactly is it that people get married? It's usually one of 3 things: religious, sentimental, or legal reasons. Religions can't be told to support something they condemn, legal reasons are covered in civil uninos, and sentimental value is subjective and likely linked to religion.
08:41 AM on 11/03/2008
the point is, straight woman, that you can marry at the drop of a hat with anyone - even like Britney Spears for 24 hours - and have more rights than I have wanted for thirty two years of loving one person.
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08:19 AM on 11/03/2008
NONE of the CANDIDATES SUPPORT GAY MARRIAGE. Obama supports Civil Unions and other liberties for gay couples. Sarah Palin told Katie Couric that she "TOLERATES" gay people.
08:25 AM on 11/03/2008
You are 100% right.
08:28 AM on 11/03/2008
Sarah Palin ``TOLERATES`` gay people but from far far far away.
She does not like them(gay people) tooo close.
08:17 AM on 11/03/2008
can you imagine the apoplectic response from the right if obama had come out in support of gay marriage?? come on, glbt people. cut him some slack. he is, after all, trying to get elected.
08:11 AM on 11/03/2008
can y'all imaging the apoplectic response from the right if obama had come out in favor or gay marriage??? cut him some slack glbt people. he is, after all, trying to get elected.
08:03 AM on 11/03/2008
that's th thing about never really know where they stand. at least with conservatives you know what you're dealing with.
08:40 AM on 11/03/2008
And that comforts you WHY?!
08:46 AM on 11/03/2008

Well said. While I don't agree with the conservative position on gay marriage, conservatives are at least honest and upfront about it. Liberals tend to hide their true position.
08:02 AM on 11/03/2008
if you dnt like that he wants gay ppl to get married then why do you care soo much? its their life why are you trying to get in it and tell them how to live it? if i disliked something that much i wouldnt even talk about it
what to say?
08:00 AM on 11/03/2008
SAVE OUR COUNTRY.....VOTE OBAMA/BIDEN rail against the right wing born again arm twisting believe they are better Christians .
07:55 AM on 11/03/2008
I need someone to prove to me with medical science that being gay isn't just a lifestyle choice. most of the gay people I know had some kind of trauma in their life when they were young, and coming out as gay was an emotional response to it. Until medical science can pinpoint the gene, don't dare try to equate being Black with being gay. If there was ever a nat'l manhunt for gays, you could just blend into any crowd. But as a Black woman, I have no escape, and no choice either.
07:57 AM on 11/03/2008
Yeah I see that happening a lot. I'm not a black person myself, but I notice a lot of people compare being gay to being black. This really trivializes a race imo and turns it into some kind of political advantage that everyone can latch onto whenever they want to prove a point.
08:29 AM on 11/03/2008 we go. oy.
08:10 AM on 11/03/2008
As a black woman, as you say you are, I find it very sad that you have such disdain for homosexuals. Whether or not you believe being Gay is a choice, what right does anyone have to federally mandate bigotry? When people's personal distaste and religious intolerance are allowed to pave the way for changing laws in this country- in order to single out one group, we are as a country heading into dangerous territory.

In Germany they first came for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant.
Then they came for me -
and by that time no one was left to speak up.

Martin Neimoller
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the small minded are hiding everywhere
04:23 PM on 11/03/2008
Thank you.