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pfreddie88
Facts drive the GOP crazy...
10:27 AM on 04/16/2012
Wow, Arizona has gone off-the-reservation crazy in the past month.
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katieandtom
10:20 AM on 04/16/2012
if you want your child to receive biblical instruction in school - go to private.
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hawaiianstile
all hail the balance of nature.
02:21 AM on 04/16/2012
pff its arizona, these guys passed a law saying you cant teach accurate history if it makes white people look bad, they dont wind the smart people award.
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TarzanaGirl
02:38 AM on 04/16/2012
...and you won't win any "spelling" championships.
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hawaiianstile
all hail the balance of nature.
02:58 AM on 04/16/2012
if mocking a typo is the best you can do as far as countering me im not concerned.
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Mytwocentstoo
Micro-bios are like internet bumper stickers.
12:27 AM on 04/16/2012
So is Arizona going to be fair and just and also teach about the Buddhist holy book of Tipitaka, or the Muslim"s Quran, or hinduism's the Veda, or Native American legends, or the book of mormon, or the works of Sam Harris?
pfreddie88
Facts drive the GOP crazy...
10:28 AM on 04/16/2012
and Dianetics.
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Brian Zanyor
10:39 PM on 04/15/2012
Meh. I'm an Arizona atheist and this bothers me only because we're so awful at real education here in this state. It's an elective. If it's not a state mandate and it's not a prayer circle, then it's not something I have a problem with. But again, looking at where Arizona is on high school test results, it's problematic that this is the sort of curricular fix the legislature thinks we need.
09:58 PM on 04/15/2012
There's a HUGE difference between teaching the bible and teaching ABOUT the bible. It's not that difficult to say "Followers of the bible believe A, B, C and performed actions X, Y and Z based on those beliefs." As long as there are no statements saying the bible IS truth, it's ok to teach that the bible says certain things. The first lesson of the class should probably be an explanation of the difference. This is not a terribly difficult class to teach, provided they find a scholar rather than a theologian.

Terry Proud, on the other hand, is an idiot. To call the bible as important as air is aggrandizing. For that matter, air, unlike the bible, sadly, is not ingrained in our society. Iran and Iraq have very different societies than we do, but they still have air, don't they? People can survive lifetimes without the bible. They cannot survive without air, no matter their culture or society.

My gods, why do I have to explain to a politician that AIR is multicultural? *cries*
01:43 PM on 04/16/2012
If they'd just READ genesis, then discuss the talking, walking snake, it would serve the purpose of making them unbelievers for life.
08:24 PM on 04/15/2012
Great idea, but only if Richard Dawkins teaches the class.
12:10 AM on 04/16/2012
I'm sure you'll get a lot of screaming over discrimination over that one. As somebody who doesn't consider the Bible a useful religious text, I still find that knowing something about it helps me to understand a major part of western civilization. For goodness sake, nearly every baby gets a Noah's Ark toy. Reading some of the major thinkers of the US and Europe, it's useful to know what they are often alluding to. Of course, if the prescribed curriculum includes claims that the Founding Fathers intended this to be a Christian nation....
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celticmaiden7475
06:07 PM on 04/15/2012
If I was a teacher I don't think I'd want to touch a class like that. Everyone has different interpretations for the bible next thing teachers will get fired for offending someone
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trekie70
Lifelong bibliophile and political junkie
05:33 PM on 04/15/2012
"The course must follow state and federal laws in maintaining religious neutrality...."

A neutral Bible course in a state like AZ? Riiiiiight. Public money should not be used to pay for materials or hire teachers for this course.
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whyldlife
04:29 PM on 04/15/2012
I think it's an excellent idea. I did one year of Catholic high school and theology was mandatory. Two people taught it, one was a Nun who did the whole rote memorization thing but I was lucky enough to have the layperson who taught it more in the way this bill seems to be written. When you look at it as a book of philosophy and you put the stories in the context of their time it really becomes a very fascinating book. Learning religion in that context, and seeing how it has been abused throughout history led me to a solid base in which to explore other faiths. Now if we were really interested in religious education it would be some kind of comparative faiths course. Leaving religious education to soley to families and religious organizations leads to the stagnant and bastardized Christianity typical of the GOP base.
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trebutts
01:25 PM on 04/15/2012
I would love to teach this course. We'll start with the Bible being used to support the removal of indigenous people--American Indian and Mexicans--from their lands and their subsequent mistreatment at the hands of the colonists and company, move to its support of slavery and the oppression of African Americans, then discuss the subjugation of women that results from laws influenced by so-called biblical scholars, and conclude with legislation against gays and lesbians that are "rooted" in biblical scripture. Such stimulating conversations we will have about the Bible's influence on Western law.

Kudos to the person who came up with this idea. I know what all the folks who will be banned from teaching ethic studies in Arizona will be lining up to teach.
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shirleyfeeney
12:37 PM on 04/15/2012
It's an elective, not a required course for graduation. I don't see a big deal here.
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trekie70
Lifelong bibliophile and political junkie
05:35 PM on 04/15/2012
It's a big deal if public money is used to fund the course. Tuition should be charged for it.
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shirleyfeeney
10:03 PM on 04/15/2012
If the teacher isn't getting paid extra to teach it, and is willing to and knowledgable on the subject, it's still not hurting anyone. You still don't think kids are praying before a test? Or if it reaches one student positively, keeps them from becoming dependent on taxpayer dollars as an adult, or in the prison system, think of how it was money invested well and saved the cost of a public defender, a jury and three square meals a day for 25 to life.
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Brian Zanyor
10:41 PM on 04/15/2012
Oh, so it's a funding problem? Public money goes for swim meets and that's a giant waste of time.
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stopnlisten
Simplify, simplify!
12:35 PM on 04/15/2012
I think GOP must not read the Bible.
"You are your brother's keeper."
"Do unto other's..."
"Turn the other cheek."
"Give to Caesar what is Caesar's (taxes)"
"Give up your riches and follow me."
"What you do for least of men, you do for Me."

OK GOP. Let's teach em' those Democratic principles! You sure don't practice what you preach.
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stopnlisten
Simplify, simplify!
12:32 PM on 04/15/2012
Isn't this why we have private schools? Sunday schools? Bible camp? When did this become OK? I guess that darn Government isn't quite big enough for you, is it GOP? Local control...phooey.
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MaryK2924
Treat others as you would like to be treated!
07:13 AM on 04/15/2012
So government interference is ok only when the GOP does it for religious reasons? Thanks for the info.