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06:00 PM on 04/27/2012
The people in the LDS church are just that...PEOPLE. No one is perfect. The LDS church should not be judged by the people because we are all imperfect. We cannot choose a religion or anything based on people. We have to choose with what we feel is right. I have seen so many people on here saying, "Mormons are good people of they are bad people". Well, isn't that true of all people? A religion is not about how people act, it is about what you believe. I am sure there are many LDS that have made bad decisions, but so has everyone else in this world whomever they are or whatever they believe. People need to stop hating!!!
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xxixpines
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09:57 PM on 04/27/2012
you confuse research and truth with hate

sad
01:38 AM on 04/28/2012
Ummm no, everyone else is hating on people, I am clearly stating that we should not judge people by their religion. Everyone does wrong at some point in there life.
11:32 PM on 04/28/2012
The problem is not with Mormon believers. It's with a backward institution that has historically tried to interfere with the civil rights of women, Blacks and gay Americans and continues to.

This is an institution that has accumulated enormous wealth by virtue of its claim to be a tax-exempt religion but pours funds into anti-democratic political agenda while not even the tithe-paying Mormons have the remotest idea what the actual wealth of the church is or how it is used.
04:38 PM on 04/27/2012
Pseudo-Christianity!!! This "faith" was founded upon one man's vision and one man's quest to CHANGE THE BIBLE for convenience. This is a lot like ISLAM. Striking resemblance to ISLAM.
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pragmaticalpaula
"all is impermanent."
07:41 PM on 04/27/2012
It wasn't foe convenience it was for pure profit for the Prophet. Joseph's "glass looking" was not working out, so he came up with a new religion. He was really into magic though, he died with the Satanic Talisman on his person. I agree with you that it is very similar indeed to Islam. Fanned and faved.
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sfcanative
11:59 PM on 04/27/2012
The "Book of Mormon" was originally sold to people. It was a money generating enterprise. Today the Mormon church is more than glad to give them away by the millions for free.
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1jdgriff
Logic Prevails
06:31 PM on 04/28/2012
One man/woman created many of the Christian Churches today, not just the Mormon church:
Martin Luther - Lutheranism
John Knox - Presbyterianism
John Smyth - Baptist Churches
Jakob Ammann - Amish
John Wesley - Methodism
George Fox - Quakers
Ellen White - Seventh Day Adventists
Charles Russell - Jehovah's Witnesses
Mary Baker Eddy - Christian Science
Peter - Catholics
King Henry 8 - Anglican

Also, it is interesting that not all of them use the same bible, they have adopted various versions of the bible, which, according to you, may encompass their needs for their convenience. There are well only 50 versions of the bible today, not just the King James Version. So, according to your statement, it is more than just this faith that was founded upon one man's quest to change the bible (which the Mormon's believe in the King James Version). Many of the "Christian" religions have adjusted according to their needs and wishes.
04:06 PM on 04/27/2012
Mormonism is almost a cross between Muslims and Scientologists. Like Muslims they believe their profit got a secret message from God that told him to modify an existing religion so much that the core religion is no longer the same at all. Like Scientologists who believe an ancient alien ruled the universe, Mormons believe they can one day become a God and rule universes themselves.
02:20 PM on 04/27/2012
This article ought to be titled "A heretic visits heretics."
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Hanover Fiste
guilty as a cat in a goldfish bowl
01:24 PM on 04/27/2012
Don't go in...... The settlers passing through Utah on their way to California didn't fair well with Mormon hospitality at Mountain Meadow.
01:09 PM on 04/27/2012
I see that the haters are out in full force today. How did our society come down so far to this anyway? Do you people even see it? Look back 10 years, how did we treat one another then? Would an article like this that records the author's PERSONAL feelings and an experience that she had have engendered so much hatred and sheer bigotry back then? There has been a fundamental shift in our society and most of you do not even see the ugliness that has taken root in your hearts and spews out of your mouths -and fingertips into writing- on a daily basis. You profess to be Christian, or at least many of you do and yet you do not possess one single gram of the charity that He taught in His earthly ministry. Do you really think that He would be proud of what you have become?
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xxixpines
Truth often causes wailing and gnashing of teeth
06:14 PM on 04/27/2012
I see the truth is causing you to wail and gnash your teeth.
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Sweendoggedly
Science. It works.
12:39 PM on 04/27/2012
The real question is has anyone spotted the golden tablets, breastplate, silver spectacles or seeing stones? Those things could come in handy.
03:24 PM on 04/27/2012
The gold plates, the breastplate, and the urum and thummum were returned to Moroni. Only one third of the plates were translated. The rest are to be translated when the Lord is ready. The Lord certainly wouldn't want to trust such valuable records to the hands of his enemies, many of which write here.

Has anyone seen the tablets on which were written the ten commandments? Has anyone spotted ANY of the original documents written by the prophets of the Old and New Testaments. If salvation is dependent on possession of original documents, the whole world is in trouble.
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xxixpines
Truth often causes wailing and gnashing of teeth
03:34 PM on 04/27/2012
Yeah but wait! What about the tribes and all the artifacts that should have been left behind?
The vikings whom we can find traces of being here were here only 400 years after the BOM fantasy races. Did all their implements of war and otherwise get transported back to Kolob for holy recycling?
03:38 PM on 04/27/2012
At the begining of each Book of Mormon you will find the Testomony of Three Witnesses and then the Testomony of an adittional 11. More than enough witness testemony than what most courts of law require.
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xxixpines
Truth often causes wailing and gnashing of teeth
03:50 PM on 04/27/2012
you forgot the other half of the truth. Witnesses later said they never really saw them as they were under cloth, other witnesses later recanted entirely.

Now why would you leave out ALL of the information?

nevermind.
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sfcanative
05:18 PM on 04/27/2012
None of the witnesses ever handled the plates or saw them directly. Those who did comment about the staged occasions with Mormonism founder, Joseph Smith, said they saw the plates with their "spiritual eyes".

Many of the witnesses later left Mormonism.

"According to the testimony of John Whitmer who was one of the eight witnesses, Joseph showed them to four people at one time in his house, and then later to four other people (Deseret Evening News, 6 August 1878, Letter to the editor from P. Wilhelm Poulson, M.D., typed transcript, p. 2). It is notable that these eight men fall naturally into two groups of four. The first group is comprised of four brothers of David Whitmer, who himself was one of the three witnesses: Christian, Jacob, Peter jun., and John Whitmer. The second four are Joseph Smith's father, Joseph's two brothers (Hyrum and Samuel) and Hiram Page, who was married to the Whitmer's sister, Catherine. Another sister, Elizabeth, married Oliver Cowdery. So, all the witnesses, except Martin Harris, were closely related to one another."

Read paragraphs 9-12 in particular: http://exmormon.org/d6/drupal/file9
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09:25 AM on 04/27/2012
just imagine what we could accomplish as a species if people put as much faith into themselves as they do with these fairy tales.
08:33 AM on 04/27/2012
They go there to be closer to which God, they believe every Mormon can become a God themselves and rule of planets and universes so which God exactly do they go there to be closer to? Also the reason baptising the dead became a practice is that it was an extension of polygamy, so that you can be with all of your wives and your huge family in heaven.
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mommytomany
09:03 AM on 04/27/2012
Mormons believe: " as man is, God once was. As God is, man can become" ~ Joseph Smith. The Mormon people believe that temple ordinances are necessary in their attempt to become exalted. They are striving towards "godhood" and they want to take their kindred dead along with them. That is why they build these huge temples. It is a huge part of their theology.
12:53 PM on 05/05/2012
Almost a correct quote, but incorrectly attributed to Joseph Smith.
"As man now is, God once was; as God now is, man may be." Lorenzo Snow
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09:20 AM on 04/27/2012
and I thought Scientology is strange
01:53 PM on 04/27/2012
Don't most people believe in life after death? What's strange about wanting to be together as a family in that life?
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02:49 AM on 04/27/2012
Religion is Mother Goose stories for Adults. Faith in Fairy tales only exists because so many Adults choose to believe them. Mass ignorance only proves mass ignorance. Be blissful believers ... ignorance is bliss. ....sometimes it is very destructive and harmful.
May peace find a home within us all, and may we do for others what we would have others do for us.

Religious Badges! I don't need no stinkin Religious Badges!
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11:36 PM on 04/27/2012
Bob the junk cars I drive don't allow me the confidence they will start every time..LOL. I am often centered and at peace with myself and the world, and Truly hope others find theirs. One of the finest and truest human beings I ever worked with is a devout Mormon. He lives his faith wholly and humbly. I choose to be an honest atheist, that in itself is truly humbling. Honest seekers of "love thy neighbor" exist whether they have "badges or not" I look at the person not the badge. Too many "do gooders" say look at my badge and then act with tremendous hypocrisy. Peace to all that truly follow "gods" love, or the love that exists and inspires in life.
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sfcanative
02:02 AM on 04/27/2012
Everything about Mormonism is whiteness and lightness. From their white temple clothes to their General Authorities, white is God's delight. Even Christ is über-Caucasian. Or so it seems to me.

See for yourself, here are the businessmen who run the Mormon scene, aka LDS, Inc.

http://www.lds.org/church/leaders?lang=eng
01:51 PM on 04/27/2012
I see lots of Latinos, Asians, and a black in that group.
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xxixpines
Truth often causes wailing and gnashing of teeth
08:27 AM on 04/28/2012
You know BobR2 any one clicking on that link, finding "the first presidency"
'"the quoRum of the 12 apostles ect.

10 out of a hundred isnt lots, its 10% With the world wide growing membership numbers that are being bragged about, Its not only lots, its well never mind, we all know dont we?
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pragmaticalpaula
"all is impermanent."
04:52 PM on 04/29/2012
Mere tokens for show, that's all.
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Agnt Duke
Just assume a #sarcasm tag
01:36 AM on 04/27/2012
The irony of this article is that it tells of a very positive experience of someone visiting one of their landmarks - and yet many of the comments are simply wild ramblings of HP populists.

Since HP is traditionally so far left it "hangs ten" off the California coast, I'm not sure what the comment base should have looked like - or what the author (who wrote a thoughtful piece) expected from the commentary.

The title alone seems like troll bait for what otherwise was an interesting read/perspective.
08:45 AM on 04/27/2012
Irony .. really? I'm sure this is total coincendence at a time when there is a huge national push to try to tie Mormonism to other types of Christianity that this piece from a Christian Priest finding a "God Moment" at a Mormon temple is in no way connected to the other three thousand articles on the internet this week trying to show how Mormons are just normal Christians to. The irony is that anyone reacts to any of these stories as if they are not all premeditated pollitical pieces trying to serve an agenda.
11:15 AM on 04/27/2012
What is a coincidence, the article, or the open house? Because when we build a new temple, we ALWAYS have an open house before the dedication.
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Agnt Duke
Just assume a #sarcasm tag
01:55 AM on 04/28/2012
I would guess that those of the general populace truly looking for answers don't give a whit about such politics. Not everyone has an agenda, or cares about the agenda of others. I thought the author's article was interesting, but I find the responses - well, less so.
12:47 AM on 04/27/2012
It's interesting that an article expressing tolerance and understanding, from a person of one faith toward the faith of others, has engendered so many intolerant responses.
06:36 AM on 04/27/2012
Bill, because they profess to being Christians, but are not....
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mommytomany
09:07 AM on 04/27/2012
Exatly and there lies the deception. The LDS church is trying to pass themselves off as just another " nice Christian denomination" and nothing could be further from the truth. They use the name Jesus, in the title of their church, but whe you look at "who" they say Jesus is, it truly isn't what the Bible teaches or what the rest of Christianity believes. The push right now is to make Mormonism appear " christian" so Mitt can win the presidency. There is pressure for them to appear very mainstream. That is why the LDS church has spent millions in PR campaigns, commercials, etc. They want to make sure people "think" they are ok. Get educated readers and don't be deceived by the slick commercials and " I am a Mormon" campaign.
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xxixpines
Truth often causes wailing and gnashing of teeth
09:34 AM on 04/27/2012
How odd in my perusal of this blog, I see very few posts of "they claiming to be christians"

Im good with that as I am with the plethora of professed Im a Mormon and Christian posts.
08:58 AM on 04/27/2012
.....because this is blatantly a piece trying to connect Romney to Christian voters and has nothing to do with Mormons, Temples or Episcopalians.
11:38 PM on 04/26/2012
yeah, well, they finally accepted black people but still sometimes use aversion therapy (a kind of physical/psychological torture) on homo-sexuals. Their fairy tale cosmology/theology is taken very literally (a sign of childishly emotional intellects captivated by concrete mythology) in the same way that other fundamentalist religions believe in their own fairy tale cosmology/theology. And while I admire their communitarian bent, which doesn't get as much press as it should, like many communitarian groups it tends toward repression of individuality and toward conformism. It also allows them to acquire a lot of wealth which they use to get laws passed to repress people they don't like (like Prop 8 in California). So even though their very airy and ethereal temple rooms impressed this priestess lady, you'd better not forget the darker side of Mormonism and other authoritarian and literalist religions.
02:31 AM on 04/27/2012
"it tends toward repression of individuality and toward conformism."

I will be blunt. I do not agree with this statement. I've known a lot of mormons and they are all very unique and interesting people. The only thing they have in common is their faith and really high moral standards. From what I've researched, the religion doesn't teach anything about everyone conforming any more than what you would do if you were in another organization or group.

Also, if they don't believe homosexuality is good than who are we to criticize. I was reading a talk from one of their annual general meetings and was amazed to see their leaders encouraging acceptance and tolerance towards those with different opinions. Tolerance doesn't mean that you have to believe a different point of view or act on it, it just means you have to be aware of it and respect it.
04:09 AM on 04/27/2012
I have a hunch you are really a Mormon.

"Also, if they don't believe homosexuality is good than who are we to criticize."

"annual general meetings"

Really Sister Small?
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xxixpines
Truth often causes wailing and gnashing of teeth
08:50 AM on 04/27/2012
Whats next? " I have a lot of black friends" to prove your not as biased as your religion?
I think the hunch posted below is an accurate hunch.

Fail
10:47 PM on 04/26/2012
WHERE is the power of the RESSURCTION that is in the bibe ,, speaking to the mormon church... jesus did miracles signs and wonders... sorry to say for the dead souls in the mormon churches dont see any of that of course there to busy just reading a made up "BOOk" and not the BIBLE .. So in that case they dont fallow the teaching of jesus christ only of there fake false prophet ... READ the BIBLE people and quit calling your selfs The church of jesus christ ..when apearenty you DONT even fallow what the bible says becasue you guys are to busy reading "The book of mormons"!!!!
01:09 AM on 04/27/2012
The Church also reads the BIBLE and we study from it. The Book of Mormon is simply another testament of Jesus Christ. It is when he visited the Americas. You should read it once to see what we believe in. We believe in the resurrection and that is what we worship. The resurrection is the main reason why we have temples to be married for time and ETERNITY. So in the afterlife, when we are resurrected we will be able to live with our families that we had here on earth as well as everyone else who is considered our brothers and sisters just as in every other faith. Before you comment on what you think we believe, You should read about What we believe.
04:13 AM on 04/27/2012
"You should read it once to see what we believe in."

How come none of the things you mentioned that you believe in are found in the Book of Mormon?

The things that you mentioned are found in the Doctrine and Covenants and the Pearl of Great Price.
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Agnt Duke
Just assume a #sarcasm tag
01:29 AM on 04/27/2012
If you're in the business of critisizing some group, faith, or belief system, your message might carry more weight if it was not a grammatical nightmare. As you have it written, people might assume you are an uneducated critic who simply has a bone to pick.

Now that couldn't be true, is it?
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xxixpines
Truth often causes wailing and gnashing of teeth
09:58 AM on 04/27/2012
On of the lowest forms of no opinion is to attack ones grammar or spelling.

It so sad you had nothing to say.
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waynochris
07:36 AM on 04/30/2012
Actually, YOUR sentence should read: ....".your message might carry more weight if it WERE not a grammatical nightmare."