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09:14 AM on 04/24/2012
To understand how money already owns Government, how systemic it already was BEFORE Citizens United shifted it into hyper drive, listen to...

An expose on Lobbying in congress.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2012/04/19/150904641/why-lobbyists-dodge-calls-from-congressmen
08:33 AM on 04/24/2012
What I find somewhat interesting are the mechanisms Frum chooses to create a sense of "seperation" from our actual Washington DC; 9/11 did not happen and the first black President has already lost re-election. On the surface it would be easy to dismiss this book as pure fantasy, considering the authors conservatism, however my experience, in having read a lot of his work, is that Mr. Frum is a fairly thoughtful person and quite intelligent. And as Mr. Frum has written about and spoken about his dis-satisfaction with the greed and religious lunacy of the right, I think this may be a worthwhile read and intend to get a copy.
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Dennydorite
To Serve Man--A Cookbook
08:16 AM on 04/24/2012
Sorry Frum, I'm not buying it. Your brief description of your book sets up the same old false equivalence of "everyone does it." I find it interesting that a political party that has advanced a "take no prisoners" approach to politics, that has orchestrated a "liberals are evil" campaign for thirty years, and who have pitted American against American with the mindless "culture wars" now send out their minions to decry the divisiveness and dysfunction of the government. They have always wanted the government crippled so their corporate brethren can do as they always have: loot and plunder the national treasury and run roughshod over the environment and American workers. Now, looking back over the success of their efforts they shed crocodile tears because we're not all playing nice?
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Anonmouse33
The GOP, separating mind and state since 1968.
10:19 AM on 04/29/2012
fanned.
04:24 PM on 04/29/2012
SUPER COMMENT and oh so correct!
03:32 AM on 04/24/2012
Any novel that finds humor in politics, Left or Right, deserves a good look. On this score, more is definitely better. What Washington lacks is self-depreciating, even humbling, humor.
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Mac Howard
Thank god we got convicts, you got the puritans
07:51 PM on 04/23/2012
Sounds like an interesting book and I'll look out for it. But I can't help but feel that this is a glass half empty view of the situation. I would offer a glass half full suggestion where history tells us that we're on the cusp of a left wing swing brought on by a second Obama term where he has the confidence to take a far more active approach.

As I've said elsewhere, we're in that difficult period following a severe economic crisis where the ideological author of the crisis desperately defends its role by taking on an extreme position just as the swing to the opposite ideology takes place. It occurred around 1933 and 1978 following the 1929 and 1974 crises.

Nothing wrong with being optimistic is there? :)
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asdusty
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
11:39 PM on 04/23/2012
John, is that you? :-)
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Andrew M Ryan
06:43 AM on 04/24/2012
I think the first black president losing re-election IS optimism in Frum's world.
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ConfuciusSay-
Aglets: their purpose is sinister.
07:20 PM on 04/23/2012
I have to read this book just to see if Mr. Frum can be funny.
09:33 PM on 04/23/2012
Oh, Mr. Frum is funny. You should read him when he's trying to be serious.
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Snerdgronk
co(R)po(R)atoc(R)acy plutoc(R)acy
07:07 PM on 04/23/2012
"... He's an aimless, sensual, and selfish young man, heir to a family fortune, content to enjoy his luxurious berth on the sinking ship that is the United States."

I'd say this character is George "W"alter Bush, except for the fact:
* he hasn't direct action in wrecking the economy with unpaid for Tax Cuts and an unpaid "W"a(R),
* he hasn't been responsible responsible for 9/11, because in your fiction, it hasn't happened ...

Snerd
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oafishcad
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06:00 PM on 04/23/2012
Wasn't the fiction manufactured for GWB to sell us war enough already?
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09:08 AM on 04/24/2012
Amen.
06:21 AM on 04/29/2012
But that one was not funny the least, the book is supposed to be..
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05:57 PM on 04/23/2012
Judging by the pre-published chapter:

The description of the allegedly main character is weak. Valerie seems like she might be an interesting character, but apparently the main character doesn't understand her well enough to get a good grasp of that character, either. The only other character described significantly is the main character's grandmother, but that's a sketch at most by the end of the chapter, and it's unclear if she's a significant character going forward.

Descriptions tend towards minimalism. While I don't prefer the paid-by-the word style of say, Dickens for descriptions, there are a number of places, things, and a few people who could use more description, unless the primary audience is assumed to be only those who are already familiar with such things; I, for example, was left wondering what a "Chinese red dining room" was - is this an American interpretation of Chinese decor, or actual Chinese decor from a specific period or place in China, or perhaps it's Tiawanese - or maybe it's an antique import from Hong Kong?

There are several indications of misogyny in this chapter, but it's unclear if this is a set-up to identify it and break it down later, or if this is part and parcel of the text. There are other slurs thrown about - again it's unclear if these are particular incidents that will be deconstructed later, or if they are part of the routine text.

I'm unlikely to want to read more of this book.
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xanaqui 42
06:57 PM on 04/23/2012
Correction: The piece that was released on Monday, not the first chapter.
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cadawa
05:04 PM on 04/23/2012
Very amusing....but this is the way the elite have always managed things. They divide the 99% up between them.
We need a new paradigm...a better way to organize ourselves. The old one is headed for a cliff...again.
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valhalladad
Freedom went out of style too soon
05:44 PM on 04/23/2012
The Old World Order won't let go without a fight.
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cadawa
12:48 PM on 04/24/2012
Agreed. But when was anything worthwhile won without a struggle?
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Snerdgronk
co(R)po(R)atoc(R)acy plutoc(R)acy
07:09 PM on 04/23/2012
We have a new paradigm ... co(R)po(R)ations are people now! Man has created a new lifeless, life form, that feeds off Man himself.

Snerd
Darrion Beckles
I wash myself with a rag on a stick
09:16 AM on 04/24/2012
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cadawa
12:44 PM on 04/24/2012
I agree with your characterization. However the corporate model is several centuries old and having exceeded the limits of that model, has become absurd.
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ramcrossin
05:00 PM on 04/23/2012
Whoa!
No one has read the book and half of you are already throwing rocks. Frum may be a "conservative", "neo con", or an advocate of naked gardening. But he's also an informed analyst of most things political. I don't have to agree with the man to want to hear his views. Part of what makes politics so toxic these days is that we refuse to listen to those with whom we disagree.
And hats off to him for stepping outside his comfort zone and taking a shot at a novel.
05:19 PM on 04/23/2012
I am on the far left, green kind of type and when I make remarks criticizing any thing leftist, progressive or green, I immediately get accused of being some kind of mindless corporatist republican.

Political discourse on Huffpost is pretty poor. There is too much mud-slinging and posturing and not enough simple exchanging of opinions.

A couple of weeks ago I suggested an asset tax on the wealthiest 20% to pay down all federal, state and city debt. I suggested that patriotism should come before wealth. I was immediately accused of proposing communism. No response to the suggestion. That has to be ignored because it is evil.

There is very little discussion.
07:08 PM on 04/23/2012
LOL That is okay The other day I was single handedly responsible for how the students in Montreal feel. LOL.

It is kind of sad. People should be able to try to discuss things without such extremism.
I am on the left as well but it doesn't mean I follow some sort of rule book to decide how things have to be in all situations.
People can learn and share if accusations are not being made.

I think Frum is intelligent and interesting regardless of whether I share his political views and I will likely read this book.
04:58 PM on 04/23/2012
I've got an even better idea than Frum for a book.
The main character is a Canadian dual loyalist chickenhawk; named Avi Crumb. Crumb insinuates himself into the administration and becomes a speechwriter for the President, writing criminally mendacious things about WMD's and "uranium from Africa". His words are convincing enough to take America into a war of choice which results in tens of thosuands of dead, wounded and maimed Americans, and hundreds of thousands of innocent non-combatants.
But in this case, it's not a work of fiction.
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oafishcad
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04:24 PM on 04/23/2012
By using words to dance all around the truth, Mr Frum did more to sell the lies of GWB than any other person. And by extension, he helped sell the factual wrongheadedness of conservatism (present day) as truth. It isn't.
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saltpeter
Ayn Rand is the L. Ron Hubbard of fiscal ideology
03:11 PM on 04/23/2012
This is the neocon failures trying to put the onus for their failed policies and ideas on the system. They have, through their policies that purposely support the needs of the 1% and destroyed the ambitions of the 99%, created this currrent system. It is time for real conservatives who only like to talk about "personal responsibility" as a talking point against the use of what they call "entitlements" to actually start taking some personal accountability for the failures of their ideas. Ideas that have brought massive collapse to this nation not once but twice in less than a century.

It's not government that destroyed our economy and demoralized the Middle Class. It was, specifically, neocon governments. Real conservatives need to stop shifting the blame and acting like their very ideas aren't at the heart of what caused much of our collapse.

Neocons don't believe in government. So they need to stop blaming government when the market fails to do what the government should have done all along. What government can only do when LL AMERICANS have a vested interest in the way government functions, not just those Americans who can afford their own personal lobbyists.
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saltpeter
Ayn Rand is the L. Ron Hubbard of fiscal ideology
02:56 PM on 04/23/2012
David and the neocons have been writing nothing but fiction of forty years. Everything from their trickle down disasters to their deadly PNAC policies have all been based on a completely falsified version of reality.